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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip Hello all,
Meeting is about to begin. For anybody interested, the chat channel 'CSM Chat' is available if you'd like to speak to a delegate. I, and the rest of the CSM team, look forward to getting some answers for you.
Can we get some updates please?
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Bunyip Hello all,
Meeting is about to begin. For anybody interested, the chat channel 'CSM Chat' is available if you'd like to speak to a delegate. I, and the rest of the CSM team, look forward to getting some answers for you.
Can we get some updates please?
yes, update is "we dont give a f.u.c.k about our customers and we will not even reply here, ever" now go to sleep
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.12.15 02:54:00 -
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Solomon, updates will be available in the Meeting minutes, which should be posted soon. I cannot go into detail beyond that.
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 05:46:00 -
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Thats what I am referring to. I am waiting for a new meeting minutes post.
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SickSeven
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Posted - 2008.12.15 05:48:00 -
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wth did or didn't they know?
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Zsani
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Posted - 2008.12.15 07:53:00 -
[1176]
Signed
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.15 08:38:00 -
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Guys,
we spent 4 hours in meeting yesterday on a sunday. The minutes has to be read trough by CCP to make sure no important information was left out and then later posted as a news item. They will be out today, but please be patient. We are all waiting eagerly, but there's not long to go.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.12.15 09:00:00 -
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Diary of a pod pilot |
Harriuos Potransky
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Posted - 2008.12.15 09:18:00 -
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Free all Martians! |
Bodo Bass
Fanta pants
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Posted - 2008.12.15 09:41:00 -
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Aenikus
Freelancing Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.15 10:31:00 -
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Agreed there must be absolute transparency. There have been too many issues in the past:
- T2 BPO seeding favouritism - corrupt CCP staff giving extra support to their corps and alliances - boot.ini bug, an example of very poor quality control and very poor programming skills - the GTC marketing waffle about the 60 day cards - to align with other MMOs when we all knew it was about hiking prices
Lets be honest EVE is a great concept being run by a company CCP with very poor management, quality control,development and customer relations skills.
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Aenikus
Gallente Freelancing Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.15 10:46:00 -
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Further comment:
If any CSM member is in a corp or alliance that benefited from this exploit then they must stand down and elections held from people with a clean and untainted record. It is inconceivable that you could be a prominent member of a corp or alliance, well known enough to get CSM elected and not know that your corp/alliance was using this exploit.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.15 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aenikus Further comment:
If any CSM member is in a corp or alliance that benefited from this exploit then they must stand down and elections held from people with a clean and untainted record. It is inconceivable that you could be a prominent member of a corp or alliance, well known enough to get CSM elected and not know that your corp/alliance was using this exploit.
I can assure you that none on the CSM is at all connected to this exploit. I can't cover how I know this due to NDA however, but rest assured that nobody ever used it. If they did, they would have been banned.
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Megas Paolino
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Posted - 2008.12.15 12:30:00 -
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Kiotsu Adler
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Posted - 2008.12.15 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista I can't cover how I know this due to NDA however
Unfortunatlly we are going to listen this a lot, so I'm not very convinced about all this PR thingy about 'transparency'.
CCP using the CSM to say "hey, don't trust us if you want but at least trust this guys in the CSM, they're players after all, like you are!; even if they can't disclose information because they have signed this NDA".
Trust should be based on facts, not on faith.
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Katrina Bekers
Hikage Corporation G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.15 13:38:00 -
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FWIW, supported.
But this is just too big to not be drowned under a sea of NDAs. Little hope here.
Ah well. --- Kate [ Recruitment | HKG | G0DS ] |
Swarog Hjellstadt
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Posted - 2008.12.15 13:51:00 -
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Blind Keeper
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Posted - 2008.12.15 16:23:00 -
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Good day!
I do not have a set opinion or conclusion at this time due to the lack of complete information. In other words..I don't know.
What I DO know is that during the course of any investigation...whether it be in law enforcement, military, or business (And Eve does have it's corporations, yes?)It is prudent not to make too much information public while the investigation is being conducted. I'm sure, with a little research (I encourage you to find out for yourself), you will find there are some rather good reasons for this. It's similar to insisting Jurors be uninformed in advanced before going over evidence etc and deciding a case as information that is incomplete or taken out of context could affect their final conclusion and decision. Such conclusions and decisions all to often end up not being the best one (Depending on point of view, of course).
All this means is if they are currently conducting the investigation to get a more complete picture and are honest and earnest about correcting any possible issues that may arise out of their investigations, then I will just content myself with impatiently waiting for a official final conclusion.
Right now, any conclusion I may draw on this matter would be opinion. I'm waiting for the complete Official facts just because I wont feel quite as stupid if I guessed and ended up wrong, lol. |
Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2008.12.15 16:48:00 -
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Minutes just got greenlighted, so expect them up in the next hour or two! ---
NEW MOVIE! CSM Campaign Thread |
John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:13:00 -
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Update?
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Kanoubi
Amarr Rytiri Lva R.U.R.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kanoubi on 15/12/2008 17:23:30 greenlighted by CCP = Censured all relevant information to the player community ?
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kanoubi Edited by: Kanoubi on 15/12/2008 17:23:30 greenlighted by CCP = Censured all relevant information to the player community ?
Don't expect anything else.
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Mr Fever
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Minutes just got greenlighted, so expect them up in the next hour or two!
We have waitedm its been about 2 hours, w t f is going on to delay this? What are they hideing?
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voidvim
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:00:00 -
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Salvaging guide:moon materials guide |
TrojanFresh
Minmatar The Suicide Kings True Reign
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:07:00 -
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Sad thing about this matter is that there is no checks or balances its only when someone rats on someone that you ever see anything ever done. Of all things you would think that people would of noticed more complex of a product otu there than could be ever produced. Still everyone will pay to play a game even though the people in charge of keeping it fair and balance never do a good job. Its just hey lets not fix it and use it or turn the other cheek for certain members of CCP and with more bad media coming out this game will never become great. It will just be something that could of been because individuals who can do things never have to worry about being check of wrong doing until its way beyond the point of damage. So tell me how does someone who makes insane amounts of isk go for 4 years without ever being crossed check? or the countless others that do it. Sad part about it is such a great game but yet such poor management of ones employees
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Fever
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Minutes just got greenlighted, so expect them up in the next hour or two!
We have waitedm its been about 2 hours, w t f is going on to delay this? What are they hideing?
You have only waited for 1 hour
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John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Mr Fever
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Minutes just got greenlighted, so expect them up in the next hour or two!
We have waitedm its been about 2 hours, w t f is going on to delay this? What are they hideing?
You have only waited for 1 hour
Why even edit it? We deserve the entire, raw, text. Anything else is just helpng a cover-up.
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Haakelen
Gallente Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: John'eh
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Mr Fever
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Minutes just got greenlighted, so expect them up in the next hour or two!
We have waitedm its been about 2 hours, w t f is going on to delay this? What are they hideing?
You have only waited for 1 hour
Why even edit it? We deserve the entire, raw, text. Anything else is just helpng a cover-up.
Yeah! It's not like this is a game or anything, and CCP has privacy policies! WITCH HUNT TIME!
You 'deserve'?
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KAELA MENSHA
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:34:00 -
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where are they posting ???
here or another thread
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Bunyip on 15/12/2008 18:37:00
Originally by: TrojanFresh Sad thing about this matter is that there is no checks or balances its only when someone rats on someone that you ever see anything ever done. Of all things you would think that people would of noticed more complex of a product otu there than could be ever produced. Still everyone will pay to play a game even though the people in charge of keeping it fair and balance never do a good job. Its just hey lets not fix it and use it or turn the other cheek for certain members of CCP and with more bad media coming out this game will never become great. It will just be something that could of been because individuals who can do things never have to worry about being check of wrong doing until its way beyond the point of damage. So tell me how does someone who makes insane amounts of isk go for 4 years without ever being crossed check? or the countless others that do it. Sad part about it is such a great game but yet such poor management of ones employees
Let me start out by saying that the exploit has been going on for less than a year. It wasn't even possible to do the exploit a mere two years ago, so that 4 year thing is rediculous.
Second, while the people did make a great deal of ISK, it wasn't an insane amount, and all those possessions are probably being siezed as we speak. The amount they made was less than the amount that exchanges hands in a single day in Eve, so while it may be noticeable, it's not significant or game-breaking.
Last, there will probably be a price spike on Ferrogel, but it will balance out due to Alchemy. The price might never be as low as it is now, but it will not spike through the roof either. If EyjoG notices the price getting extreme, I trust that he'll take steps to equalize it.
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
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