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Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:02:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Zyress wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?
Oh no.
wolololololol
Also an intended change. Deal wiz it. Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week. The only real risk in null-sec is traveling between there and hi-sec. Once you are there, you're home free. If anything the risk you endure while in your null-sec system is significantly less than you endure in hi-sec. Thanks to our dependence on other players for intel etc. Without that structure, null-sec becomes very dangerous again. Who do high-sec filth depend on? Oh right, they depend on rules lawyers and CCP's willingness to listen to them. What was your point again?
How are those rules, lawyers and CCP's willingness to listen to them working out for them? I've never heard of a miner getting his ganked hulk back. You know when hostiles are coming in null-sec before they ever enter the system. You know about a hostile in hi-sec when he targets you. The danger level in nullsec is really nonexistent as long as you pay attention. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
324
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:06:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Zyress wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?
Oh no.
wolololololol
Also an intended change. Deal wiz it. Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week. The only real risk in null-sec is traveling between there and hi-sec. Once you are there, you're home free. If anything the risk you endure while in your null-sec system is significantly less than you endure in hi-sec. Thanks to our dependence on other players for intel etc. Without that structure, null-sec becomes very dangerous again. Who do high-sec filth depend on? Oh right, they depend on rules lawyers and CCP's willingness to listen to them. What was your point again? How are those rules, lawyers and CCP's willingness to listen to them working out for them? I've never heard of a miner getting his ganked hulk back. You know when hostiles are coming in null-sec before they ever enter the system. You know about a hostile in hi-sec when he targets you. The danger level in nullsec is really nonexistent as long as you pay attention.
Actually let's tally this up shall we?
Insurance for Concorded ships? Gone.
Ability to warp after GCC? Gone.
Duration before CONCORD intervention? Shortened.
Degree of Security Status Penalty? Increased.
Drone loot? Exterminated.
Honestly, it looks like the rules lawyers have a pretty good foothold in CCP's proverbial foyer to me. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
324
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:06:00 -
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Wait was your argument actually based on the fact that we have to pay attention? What the hell? Are they out of attention in your area of space? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:06:00 -
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Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
324
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:07:00 -
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How much brainpower does it take to play it safe in High-sec? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
324
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:07:00 -
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Oh you like to play AFK. Yeah, we don't have **** for that in null. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
216
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:13:00 -
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It's not even a debate.
Nullsec is objectively far more risky than the hisec. Any reduction of that objective relative risk is due to player effort, knowledge, and coordination, which is a product of the competition for the supposed greater reward.
"durr hurr but mai hulk got ganked once durr" is not an argument, it is the mindless vomit response of coddled and entitled hisec forum warriors who know nothing about the game. |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp
153
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:13:00 -
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Pillowtalk wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?
Oh no.
wolololololol
Also an intended change. Deal wiz it. Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week.
They don't have concord in null, any safety there is created by players themselves, working together. Perhaps force projection makes it a little too easy at times but still. If the Sims all became zombies it would be easy to escape them, just shove them in a room and make them answer the telephone. |
Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:16:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire?
Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1509
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:16:00 -
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It sounds like high sec needs to have Concord removed and responsibility for making an area "safe" should be put entirely in the hands of the players, just like in Null.
Or are you merely saying that players in Null are far better and more organized than you are capable of being? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
541
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:18:00 -
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DonHel wrote:no, we will just fly cheaper ships
This ^^
Also, pvp wont get hurt, what are getting hurt are bott bottoms and drone region bottoms. And its about time. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1509
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:19:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire? Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you.
Blatantly untrue.
You have the same capability to work together, form intel channels, set standings, use EVE voice, use directional scans, have scouts, etc. as players have in Null sec to ensure your safety.
You choose not to do so. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Shadowsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:21:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:PvP with consequences, imagine that
Second that. Today pvp is too cheap, I don't have the adrenaline spike I had back in 2004, when using a BS in pvp was putting a week-end of farming on the line. |
Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:22:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:It's not even a debate.
Nullsec is objectively far more risky than the hisec. Any reduction of that objective relative risk is due to player effort, knowledge, and coordination, which is a product of the competition for the supposed greater reward.
"durr hurr but mai hulk got ganked once durr" is not an argument, it is the mindless vomit response of coddled and entitled hisec forum warriors who know nothing about the game.
If you are talking about me I don't own a hulk and I don't have the skill to fly exhumers, I can fly any combat ship of any race below Capital ships and use any weapon system small - large at T2 level with maxed support skills, so if you are characterizing me as a butt-hurt miner, you got the wrong guy. I'm just calling it as I see it. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1509
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:23:00 -
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Yeah, I can't get too upset that prices are finally returning to something resembling normal. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
326
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:28:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire? Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you. Posting to confirm that d-scan only picks up reds. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
193
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:29:00 -
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Duvida wrote:I was looking at the nerfs in mission and rat drops, and the mineral price increases and released that an important part of EVE, PVP was very much affected by replacement costs for equipment. If PVP'rs get starved because everything costs too much, will we lose a significant percentage of EVE players?
Most alliances have a SRP Program or should.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
326
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:29:00 -
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Also, it is impossible to make insta's in high-sec. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
164
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:33:00 -
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Higher mineral prices = more expensive ships. More expensive ships = harder to replace said ships. 1 month old toons mining in tech 1 barges = Moar tears. [quote=CCP Guard] I'm running out of original ways to tell you guys to stop. [/quote} |
Zyress
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:33:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Zyress wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire? Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you. Posting to confirm that d-scan only picks up reds.
Posting to confirm the practicality of warping off when anyone at all enters a system in Hi-sec where a miner is operating |
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Alec Freeman
The Dark Space Initiative Enclave.
81
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:34:00 -
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I wonder when the changes will begin too effect WH space.
*twiddles thumbs* |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
326
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:34:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Zyress wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire? Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you. Posting to confirm that d-scan only picks up reds. Posting to confirm the paracticality of warping off when anyone at all enters a system in Hi-sec where a miner is operating Posting to confirm your delicious tears. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
326
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:34:00 -
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Also that d-scan ranges can be changed. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
326
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:34:00 -
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Also that warping is a lot less down-time than getting exploded. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
326
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:35:00 -
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Not to mention ISK efficiency. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1510
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Posted - 2012.04.12 16:40:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Zyress wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire? Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you. Posting to confirm that d-scan only picks up reds. Posting to confirm the practicality of warping off when anyone at all enters a system in Hi-sec where a miner is operating
D-scan for ships approaching the belt you are mining in.
Pay attention only to ships that might be a threat.
Minimize false positives by choosing belts that are somewhat isolated in the system.
Do this in addition to the plethora of other intel and defensive options available to you, the same options that are used every day in Null sec, and you will have few problems.
It's amazing what you can accomplish when you get organized. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.04.12 17:34:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Zyress wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Honestly, you can't pay attention and be safe in Empire? Nobody is red in Highsec to you unless they are in a wardec against you or they have a worse than -5 security status. You can pay attention in high sec and avoid wardeccers, you can see when someone with a worse than -5 sec status enters the system, though until he's on grid with you, you don't know if like most of those guys he's just in a pod. You can pay attention for probes in the case that they are trying to get a warp in on you, but no beyond staying aligned as much as possible and hoping you can warp out before they can disrupt you, there is no intel channel to tell you there are incoming hostiles, and no way to know who is a ganker till they target you. Posting to confirm that d-scan only picks up reds. Posting to confirm the practicality of warping off when anyone at all enters a system in Hi-sec where a miner is operating When a COMBAT ship enters the belt I'm mining, it is time to be safer than sorry, especially if they are moving towards me. If you aren't aligned to a safe or a station, aren't mining on the other side of the belt from the warpin, are not doing all you can think of to minimize the gank risk, you are truly doing it wrong. Stop blubbering about how null is safer than highsec, when you refuse to take charge of your own safety. That which does not kill you, makes you stronger.-á Friedrich Nietzsche
That which does not kill you, hurts like hell.-á UNKNOWN |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
348
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Posted - 2012.04.12 17:51:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?
Oh no.
wolololololol
Also an intended change. Deal wiz it. Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week. Well if you think Nullsec is so safe, why don't you join a nullsec alliance and come reap the rewards of nullsec then. I find it funny that the people who complain about nullsec being so safe, wouldn't set foot in nullsec because it is so dangerous.
It's not the risks of nullsec--which are quite manageable if you're halfway-smart about it--it's the people out there.
Herf-blerfing mouthbreathers circle-jerking each other over their pixel-peens and all their ******* pathetic lickspittle little wanna-be(e)s just there to be used and used up...Thanks mates, but you can have it.
E: Cloaky-cloaky. U no see'z me! In irae, veritas. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
480
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Posted - 2012.04.12 18:07:00 -
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cruiser fleets are my favorite |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
332
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Posted - 2012.04.12 18:13:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Falin Whalen wrote:Pillowtalk wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:You mean there will actually be more REWARD for the relative higher RISK of nullsec over hisec?
Oh no.
wolololololol
Also an intended change. Deal wiz it. Higher risk of null sec. Lol funniest thing I've heard all week. Well if you think Nullsec is so safe, why don't you join a nullsec alliance and come reap the rewards of nullsec then. I find it funny that the people who complain about nullsec being so safe, wouldn't set foot in nullsec because it is so dangerous. It's not the risks of nullsec--which are quite manageable if you're halfway-smart about it--it's the people out there. Herf-blerfing mouthbreathers circle-jerking each other over their pixel-peens and all their ******* pathetic lickspittle little wanna-be(e)s just there to be used and used up...Thanks mates, but you can have it. E: Cloaky-cloaky. U no see'z me! I'm trying to see for myself just how different the high-sec population's demographic is. From what I gather they all lack the capacity for organization or individual culpability and pretty much just ride CCP's haunches about buffs to the most popular boat in Eve. Other than that they are all "herf-blerfing mouthbreathers circle-jerking each other over their pixel-peens and all their ******* pathetic lickspittle little wanna-be(e)s just there to be used and used up..."
So I guess I can see why you wouldn't want to hang with null-sec people. They don't want a buff to the most popular ship in the game. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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