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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.19 16:46:00 -
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$17.4 billion in rescue loans for carmakers
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.19 16:50:00 -
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Heh, heard about that at 1600 on BBC news....
The American Car industry needs its efficiency on par with 1990's European products to be competitive at the moment. In other words they need new designs, retooling to be able to build the efficient cars.... Basically 1Billion of that would be worth employing Jeremy Clarkson - that's how bad the situation is for them on the world stage. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.19 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Arianhod employing Jeremy Clarkson
After he made this ?
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.12.19 16:58:00 -
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Its not surprising. If the American auto industry has any hopes they really need to kill off the unions. They were needed when they were first formed but now its overly full of lazy slobs who are over paid for what their jobs require them to do to the point that its an insult to other industries.
If anything good does come out of this ressession is that the lazy worker will finally be handed his pink slip. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.19 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
If anything good does come out of this ressession is that the lazy worker will finally be handed his pink slip.
Then we can tell them to go take one of the jobs that they complain about Mexicans coming across the boarder to take Oh wait never mind; they would not be able to do those jobs because they are a bunch of self ritious lazy sods that do not know what an honest days work is
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.19 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Arianhod on 19/12/2008 17:27:40
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Arianhod employing Jeremy Clarkson
After he made this ?
Especialy after he made that.
He could humiliate the American Carmakers to the point where they would permanently abandon Oil, disband the NRA and withdraw all troop and send baskets of fresh muffins to every person on Earth just to prove him wrong.
The American car industry needs taken down a few ladders worth of pegs - Clarkson could probably provide several Billions worth of motivation that 1B of the bailout would be worth.
Never underestimate the power of a humilated giant, look at the might of Japan after it's pride was broken as it lost the second world war. They lost, the world owed them nothing and they knew it - so they took that as their cue to get down to basics and surpass the victor.
They did. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.12.19 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Jacob Mei
If anything good does come out of this ressession is that the lazy worker will finally be handed his pink slip.
Then we can tell them to go take one of the jobs that they complain about Mexicans coming across the boarder to take Oh wait never mind; they would not be able to do those jobs because they are a bunch of self ritious lazy sods that do not know what an honest days work is
Slade
Well when that happens they will soon find themselves with a shrinking waste size. I really hope this Ressession kills the wellfare state and makes the price of sweat what it should be again. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.19 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 19/12/2008 17:44:00
Originally by: Arianhod Never underestimate the power of a humilated giant, look at the might of Japan after it's pride was broken as it lost the second world war.
It took a couple of nukes to break their pride. Would they have not been nuked, they would have continued to resist occupation and so on much like the insurgents in Iraq do nowadays. Are you suggesting we should have Americans start a second civil war and this time they should start nuking eachother first to realize just how wrong they are ?
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.19 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 19/12/2008 17:44:00
Are you suggesting we should have Americans start a second civil war and this time they should start nuking eachother first to realize just how wrong they are ?
P.S. Jericho FTW.
No, take Europe and North America as one entity. Europe humiliated, Europe rebuilds rapidly and surpasses the USA. Volkswagen is already the worlds largest car builder now Ford and GM are on their knees doing things they would rather not to get the money the USA government has.... yes that's how I see what it is like going on
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ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2008.12.19 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T $17.4 billion in rescue loans for carmakers
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA blah |
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Motaka
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Posted - 2008.12.19 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Arianhod
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 19/12/2008 17:44:00
Are you suggesting we should have Americans start a second civil war and this time they should start nuking eachother first to realize just how wrong they are ?
P.S. Jericho FTW.
No, take Europe and North America as one entity. Europe humiliated, Europe rebuilds rapidly and surpasses the USA. Volkswagen is already the worlds largest car builder now Ford and GM are on their knees doing things they would rather not to get the money the USA government has.... yes that's how I see what it is like going on
Factually incorrect,Toyota is the worlds largest car manufacturer. _______________________________________________ Motaka ~ DirtyHarry ~ Original F-E Material |
ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2008.12.19 18:58:00 -
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afaik Volkswagen+Audi+Skoda+Seat are the same company this days imo they build lot of cars blah |
goodby4u
Valor Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.19 18:59:00 -
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Hey congress, to me my family is too big to fail so I require a 1.2billion dollar bailout otherwise I wont get to have all the luxuries I need.
Whos going to be the next to step up to the I need a bailout plate? I say its going to be the airlines.
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TimGascoigne
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.19 19:09:00 -
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T -10 years and counting till the next recession. we will be in exactly the same place with 80-year-old automobile firms desperate for a bailout.
Face it as long as Bush keeps writing these checks for businesses who have failed to keep money for a rainy day no one is going to learn their lesson. also it isn't desperately bad if a car firm collapses. When things pick up new companies that were more competitive will take their place because they designed the cars people want to buy.
now I know ass hat will say " shut up Tim bail-outs are necessary to prevent spiraling recession." actually a better thing to do is to just realise that these companies failed to be competitive and spend the money on something useful like this. or spend the money on tax cuts to encourage consumer growth.
meh bush conservatism = socialist spending. now why didn't I just say that at the very beginning and logout.
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Malusae
Caldari House CHOAM Terrebellum
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Posted - 2008.12.19 19:20:00 -
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They should have just let the auto-makers go into chapter 11. It would have saved all of the car companies by using exciting mechinisms in order for them to get rid of their more costly contracts as well as helping them move towards an initiative of development for the future.
Instead though we have to follow the fad of the financial market (which I agreed we needed to bail out due to US Bond Securities) and bail out the Auto Market.
Hey Mr. Bush, I'm suffereing during this recession too and requires a few billion in order to recover back to worthlessness.
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.19 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Arianhod on 19/12/2008 19:24:59 Thankfully Bush is losing his job soon.
If the car industry fails in the US of A, a foreign company will buy assets in it, strike up better deals with desperate subsidiaries and use it as a front to sell their own. "Volkswagen General Motors" sound nice? Then again maybe it will be Porsche that buys it, they took a nice nom of Volkswagen shares 2 months ago.
What I'm curios is how much stock is taken on the "It's an American Car" when buying a car? Is this just seen as a minor thing given the American love of a competitive free market or is it a major issue?
Haven't been able to judge this aspect myself, perhaps our cousins from across the pond could enlighten me
Also about Chapter 11, it seems the Car companies thought it could never happen to them and didn't have anything in place should it happen to them. Source of that is Bush's speech here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7791999.stm
Also apologies as to assuming Volkswagen was top dog, I thought I heard on the news a few days ago that it was at the top now, but regardless it has surpassed it's American counterparts given GM is on it's knees begging for scraps. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008
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Atnal
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Posted - 2008.12.19 20:45:00 -
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The other thing too is if the auto industry fails it could have a ripple effect to other industries that supply the car companies. Car companies should be held accountable for their actions, same for the UAW, but letting them fail in an unorderly fashion would be wise.
I don't claim to be a business expert but that's my 2 cents.
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2008.12.19 20:46:00 -
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Quote: And he called for elimination of a "jobs bank" program ù negotiated by the United Auto Workers and the companies ù under which laid-off workers can receive about 95 percent of their pay and benefits for years. Early this month, the UAW agreed to suspend the program.
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.19 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Arianhod
What I'm curios is how much stock is taken on the "It's an American Car" when buying a car? Is this just seen as a minor thing given the American love of a competitive free market or is it a major issue?
The size of that contingent can be argued, but some of this same contingent can not tell that their precious Harley's have parts made in China and still tout it as a pure "American Made Legend" It lost that title many years ago and they did not loose market shares within the States, in fact they have gained in popularity and presence in the last 20 years. But alot of the market share is in merchandise which is primarily made in other countries. Saying all that, I believe the Made in America crowd is not "large enough" to make much of a difference.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
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Motaka
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Posted - 2008.12.19 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Motaka on 19/12/2008 20:58:34
Originally by: ceaon afaik Volkswagen+Audi+Skoda+Seat are the same company this days imo they build lot of cars
They do own all those companys,they also own lamborgini and bugatti BUT in turn porsche owns 31% of VW.
But Toyota is still the largest car manufacturer on the planet. _______________________________________________ Motaka ~ DirtyHarry ~ Original F-E Material |
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.20 00:17:00 -
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back to the days where you order a car and it arrives 4 weeks later.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.20 00:21:00 -
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Hippoking is that you?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.20 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus Hippoking is that you?
Hippoking?...
Who would that be young man?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.20 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Arianhod
Originally by: Danton Marcellus Hippoking is that you?
Hippoking?...
Who would that be young man?
*Keeps the fake Moustache on with some sellotape*
You better get some facts straight, there aren't many more ancient than me around here and Hippoking was a compulsive spammer much like the OP here some time ago.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.20 00:29:00 -
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Oh I know him, "Don't pod me because I'm cute" and all that. Akita is the new *****tte in Chief of the Boards. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2008.12.20 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Brea Lafail on 20/12/2008 01:01:05
Originally by: Arianhod Edited by: Arianhod on 19/12/2008 19:24:59 Thankfully Bush is losing his job soon.
What I'm curios is how much stock is taken on the "It's an American Car" when buying a car? Is this just seen as a minor thing given the American love of a competitive free market or is it a major issue?
Haven't been able to judge this aspect myself, perhaps our cousins from across the pond could enlighten me
I was pretty sure that Obama was more in favour of bailouts than Bush.
Being Canadian, can't say much about the American Pride part of it, but many people here mistakenly believe that foreign cars are higher quality. Ford has an especially terrible reputation.
Personally, Im not a fan of subsidizing the production of cars that no one wants to buy. What are you going to do with them? Leave them in storage for 5 years? If you're going to spend billions on make-work programs to keep employment up, have them build military vehicles or something. You can always find a buyer for those.
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The Canadian government and the province of Ontario agreed a week ago that they would provide a bailout equal to 20% of whatever the Americans offered. Im not happy camper.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.20 01:06:00 -
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I remember Hippoking, he was still not forum-banned when I started playing I remember even his brief unbanning (followed by either a rebanning or a quit).
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.20 03:16:00 -
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dont pod hippoking ....cos he`s cute
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MooKids
Caldari Dark Echo Engineering
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Posted - 2008.12.20 03:31:00 -
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Kind of makes me wonder what it would be like to live in a capitalist society. I guess EVE will be the closest I have to that.
I imagine the same thing is going to happen. We will give them money, then all the managers and executives will get their bonuses, just like AIG just did, then claim it was so they could keep their top talent. In otherwords, keep the same *******s who caused all this crap in the first place. Other than that, nothing will change, the same crap policies will continue. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2008.12.20 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids Kind of makes me wonder what it would be like to live in a capitalist society. I guess EVE will be the closest I have to that.
I imagine the same thing is going to happen. We will give them money, then all the managers and executives will get their bonuses, just like AIG just did, then claim it was so they could keep their top talent. In otherwords, keep the same *******s who caused all this crap in the first place. Other than that, nothing will change, the same crap policies will continue.
Basically.
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