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Arthur Krow
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Posted - 2008.12.21 08:52:00 -
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Can someone points me on the chance a quest/pursuit/whatever fails to find something within its perimeter? I guess it depends of the skills you have, so the equation surely factors them.
Also, is the multispectral probe capable of failing? I don't think so.
I have read all the Joerd Toastius guide, which is excellent but don't give % chances. Hoshi's guide is focused on ships probing, so I skimmed thru it rapidly.
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Arthur Krow
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Posted - 2008.12.21 09:01:00 -
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Just to be precise, I ask that because I have problems finding an unknown site in a system. I put a quest probe at warp distance 0 of each planet, choose signature anomaly and strangely, nothing. I had the perfect positioning (one probe centered on each planet), so it means my quest probes can fail! I have Astrometrics III and Signal Acquisition II, what were my chances that a scan failed?
Thanks in advance.
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Neddy Fox
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.21 11:10:00 -
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Get the skills to 4, that will help getting better results.
Plexes have a signal strength, which basically shows the chance of finding it.
Everything > 1 will need 1 probe, everything lower means it's a chance of failing.
Lowest I've ever seen was a 10/10 with 0.012 sig strength, which means 1 in every 80 !! probes will give a result. Basically you have a average chance of finding it after 40 probes ..
This is why we needed to spend 6 manhours chasing it :D
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Arthur Krow
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Posted - 2008.12.21 12:38:00 -
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Oh ok, Thanks Neddy... but the signal strength is only known after finding it? I can't get any information from the 'Unknown' line in my scanner.
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Hoshi
Eviction.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 13:01:00 -
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There is no real way of knowing a sites Signal Size before getting a hit.
If it seems that you can't get a hit then recheck your probe placement, there might be gaps that you have missed. But as Neddy Fox said some sites can take a LONG time to get a hit on.
But I think the problem is that you selected Cosmic Anomaly and not Cosmic Signature. Anomalies are easy to find combat encounter sites that can also be found with the On-Board scanner. All real exploration sites are in the Cosmic Signature category.
Multispectral probe can not fail but there is always the chance that the site has despawned since you scanned with it. If you have trouble locating a site it can be useful to run a new multispectral scan once in a while to make sure the site is still there.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2008.12.21 14:55:00 -
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There's a thread on here someplace that gives the actual mechanic of probing. The basic procedure goes like this:
Signal strength is the actual chance per scan of you picking up whatever it is. Signal strength is the modified scan strength of your probe times the range modifier between the probe and the target times the detection difficulty factor. Scan strength is the base strength of the probe used, plus 5% per level in Astrometric Triangulation, plus any bonus you have from implants. Range modifier is a logarithmic function, e(-(x/y)^2), if I remember correctly, where x is the range from probe to target and y is the maximum range of the probe. Detection difficulty factor, for ships, is the signature radius of the ship divided by the sensor strength of the ship. I assume it's a constant value for exploration sites, but I don't know this for sure.
Shortened down, some sites are inherently harder to find than others. The farther between the probe and the site, the harder it is to find. Combine both these factors and you can have real problems, while others show up fairly quickly. Luck also plays a factor.
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Arthur Krow
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Posted - 2008.12.21 19:31:00 -
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Thanks... I tried in another system, where I found an 'Unknown' site, placed my quests probes and tried 3 times... Nothing. This start to be slightly demotivating.
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Hoshi
Eviction.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 19:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Arthur Krow
Thanks... I tried in another system, where I found an 'Unknown' site, placed my quests probes and tried 3 times... Nothing. This start to be slightly demotivating.
3 times is nothing, if you haven't found anything after 30 scans you can start to worry.
But again make sure you have the right scan groups selected. In the initial post you indicated that you scanned for Cosmic Anomaly but what you should scan for is Cosmic Signature.
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A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Avalon Champion
Gallente Defence Evaluation Research Agency
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Posted - 2008.12.21 21:21:00 -
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If you're serious about getting into scanning for sigs you need to learn patience, and get a very soft cusion.
Yes it can be disheartening but the rewards are quite nice, especially from the expedition trails which can give out some nice faction loot.
My advice, stick with it and you'll start to see the rewards.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2008.12.21 21:24:00 -
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Arthur, I once scanned 72 times in a system and didn't find the site. It happens. This is something you have to be prepared for if you're going into exploration. Taking the skill Astrometric Triangulation all the way to level 5 gives you a 25% bonus to your scan strength. Sounds good, doesn't it? Well, it is, but consider this: if you already have only a 4% chance to find a site because it's just a plain hard-to-find one, you'll have a 5% chance to find it with Triangulation V.
About all you can really do is two things:
1) Do all the things you can to lower your scan time. Get a Sisters Scan Probe Launcher. Train the skill Signal Acquisition. Train up into a Covert Ops Frigate. Get implants that shorten scan time. You can turn a 10 minute base scan time into a less than 1.5 minute scan time eventually. It doesn't make it any easier to find the site, but it does mean it both takes less overall time and you get more scans per probe.
2) Have a book/movie/music system near your computer while you're probing. You're going to be there for a while.
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2008.12.22 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Krow
Can someone points me on the chance a quest/pursuit/whatever fails to find something within its perimeter? I guess it depends of the skills you have, so the equation surely factors them.
Also, is the multispectral probe capable of failing? I don't think so.
I have read all the Joerd Toastius guide, which is excellent but don't give % chances. Hoshi's guide is focused on ships probing, so I skimmed thru it rapidly.
There is no such formula or list of chances. There are too many unknown factors. As the Guide says, multispecs are 100% accurate every time. Beyond that, such information wouldnt help. You scan till you find something, or give up.
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americanBeauty
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Posted - 2009.01.29 03:28:00 -
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i have a cov ops that worth a lot of isk ...about 450 mil. all exploration skill`s ar at lvl5 and i have a pod that worth 7-8 times more then my cov ops. my scan time is 73 seconds. so it`s pretty easy for me now. i find a 6/10 plex in my first shoot. a 10/10 plex with quest i have to scan about 3-4 times but on sift it`s first or the second time. but still a couple of days ago i scanned about 8-9 maybe 10 times after a unknown plex. on quest the sig radius was 0.0021 (lowes ever seen) with sifts 3-4 times and when i got to it it was worthless. 10 bs guarding a harv cloud. the thing is that in exploration is a very low chance that u find what u want. :) but when u do. you forget about all the hours/days u spent searching for it. GL guys!me
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engimonger
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Posted - 2009.01.29 11:38:00 -
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One of the things I do while waiting for the Quests, is to *try* establishing bookmarks just outside the bubbles and placing new ones for the next scan attempt. As someone mentioned earlier, the distance between your probe and site makes a big difference; just placing a probe at the planet may not be enough. And since overlapping bubbles increases strength, it doesn't hurt (other than in the wallet) to have more probes running.
Chances are you'll generate hundreds of new, and mostly useless, bookmarks. The one in 20 that I can actually use is saved with a name like 'Good Probe spot, others at Planets II & V' so the next time I come to that system it will be easier and faster to deploy Quests |
Moogalak
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Posted - 2009.01.29 18:00:00 -
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One thing I havent seen someone mention is that multispecs will return cosmic anomalies as unknowns. Make sure when you are doing your initial scan with the multispec that you only have signatures selected. If you dont find a site with just signatures selected, then try out anomalies (if you want to do them). |
foobarx
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Posted - 2009.01.30 01:15:00 -
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One thing I havent seen someone mention is that multispecs will return cosmic anomalies as unknowns. Make sure when you are doing your initial scan with the multispec that you only have signatures selected. If you dont find a site with just signatures selected, then try out anomalies (if you want to do them).
I know this was true originally, but I believe it's no longer true. When I get an unknown hit, there's always an exploration site of some sort.
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