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Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
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Posted - 2012.04.12 21:58:00 -
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Keep the tank as-is or lower, and give them a reduced mass, better velocity multiplier and have them turn & accelerate faster.
You're (I lol) are a miner, you're/I'm the fat sheep of Eve online that nom all the useless grass and turn it into something useful. Your whole philosophy should revolve around getting in there, getting everything you can, then gtfo; you don't stay there and hope the shots of enemies and pirates bounce off. Really, the only reason exhumer/barge tanks are a contentious issue is because the stupid assholes can't haul ass out of there when the going gets tough. This would let people actually playing have a larger chance of survival (assuming aligned and ready to begin with, like a smart person) while letting the lazy, fat targets who step away for whatever reason die horribly as it should be.
My 2 cents :3 The pie is a tautology |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1504
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:01:00 -
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Agreed. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Bane Necran
282
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:05:00 -
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If they were more agile i think they'd stop feeling like industry ships. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
337
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:09:00 -
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/me raises one blockade runner The pie is a tautology |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
596
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:12:00 -
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I really don't think increased mobility helps a ship where the typical yield fitting has about 10k EHP. |
Samuel Moore Walton
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
16
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:12:00 -
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I agree with this concept, in real life ore has no mass, it exists as electrons along electrical pathways. These electrons have effectively no mass in real life. Additionally titans also exist in real life as a sequence of electrons along a pathway thus titans should also receive the mass removal. Titans are fully capable of being used as a mining ship, so the change should apply to both exhumers and titans, its six of one or half dozen of the other. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
337
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:14:00 -
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Samuel Moore Walton wrote:Bane Necran wrote:If they were more agile i think they'd stop feeling like industry ships. I agree with this concept, in real life ore has no mass, it exists as electrons along electrical pathways. These electrons have effectively no mass in real life. Additionally titans also exist in real life as a sequence of electrons along a pathway thus titans should also receive the mass removal. Titans are fully capable of being used as a mining ship, so the change should apply to both exhumers and titans, its six of one or half dozen of the other.
Did you say that just to see yourself type words on the screen? The pie is a tautology |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
198
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:20:00 -
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If they become more agile, they would naturally have to have thinner EHP. |
Iosue
0verload. IMPERIAL LEGI0N
86
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:20:00 -
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it would be better if they would introduce an interdictor type ship but replace the warp disrupt bubble with a pos shield bubble. that would give hulk pilots time to warp off if needed and not mess with current yield rates and amounts. |
Nub Sauce
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:26:00 -
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I'm not sure how being able to get away faster after being blown up in one volley would help.
There really isn't a 'going gets rough' for a barge. It's either not getting attacked or it's scattered about in pieces. |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
778
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:32:00 -
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+1, OP
Nub Sauce wrote:I'm not sure how being able to get away faster after being blown up in one volley would help.
There really isn't a 'going gets rough' for a barge. It's either not getting attacked or it's scattered about in pieces.
Watching D-scan and aligning, bro. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
778
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:33:00 -
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Iosue wrote:it would be better if they would introduce an interdictor type ship but replace the warp disrupt bubble with a pos shield bubble. that would give hulk pilots time to warp off if needed and not mess with current yield rates and amounts. +9001, I want to pop these things up too, but with an obscure password and in the middle of a big fleet. SHIPS EVERYWHERE, RAGE ON COMMS, WHO THE **** PUT THAT BUBBLE UP. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Bane Necran
284
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:38:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:/me raises one blockade runner
But their agility helps them with their intended purpose, and i think they're significantly smaller.
I believe Hulks are fine the way they are now, but there could be more variety in Mining ships. A cov ops Exhumer, for example would be great for slipping in and out of lowsec, and you could make that pretty agile. |
Jon Taggart
State War Academy Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:39:00 -
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Don't change anything about the exhumers. Change mining itself so less people feel the need to AFK mine so much and get popped. |
Samuel Moore Walton
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
16
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:40:00 -
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Nub Sauce wrote:I'm not sure how being able to get away faster after being blown up in one volley would help.
There really isn't a 'going gets rough' for a barge. It's either not getting attacked or it's scattered about in pieces.
Well IMHO, there should be a capital mining ship, about the size of titans but allowed in high-sec, these ships should be able to directly mine ore and produce goods directly.
Merchandise class ORE industrial.
5% increased ore extraction per level of ORE capital. 7.5% reduced production cost per level of ORE capital. 5% per level increased core scanner probe strength per ORE level. 2.5% bonus to shield resists per level
700,000,000 m3 cargo bay. Jump Drive
~200kk EHP
Able to field only light drones but up to 25 of them at once.
Special module allows "phasing" this prevents the megolith from being attacked for 24 hours (similar to POS tower) During this time the ship can jump out of system. Should also be able to warp through stargates and acceleration gates. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
340
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:42:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote: A cov ops Exhumer,
Would be the best thing ever made ever
The pie is a tautology |
Rengerel en Distel
Khanid Research Corporation
40
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Posted - 2012.04.12 22:46:00 -
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If those mini-jump drives that shoot you 150km went in a low slot, it would do something similar to the OP suggestion. You could be aligned to your safespot, and when anyone entered, immediately jump 150km away, and hopefully get a warp off before they got to you. It would still allow those awake to get away, and leave the unprepared there to die.
Don't assume bad intent, when stupidity is the much more likely cause. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
210
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Posted - 2012.04.12 23:00:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:+1, OP Nub Sauce wrote:I'm not sure how being able to get away faster after being blown up in one volley would help.
There really isn't a 'going gets rough' for a barge. It's either not getting attacked or it's scattered about in pieces. Watching D-scan and aligning, bro.
Not sure if you know better and are just playing the propaganda card or if you really believe that. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
340
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Posted - 2012.04.12 23:02:00 -
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Quote:Not sure if you know better and are just playing the propaganda card or if you really believe that.
It works 99% of the time; I've only once had a guy waiting for me cloaked, he regretted that The pie is a tautology |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
580
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Posted - 2012.04.12 23:12:00 -
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This idea will never happen, so no one should worry about it.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
779
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Posted - 2012.04.12 23:33:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Not sure if you know better and are just playing the propaganda card or if you really believe that.
I lost a Sacrilege yesterday because I wasn't paying attention, but if I was paying attention I wouldn't have. Ed: before people check my killboards, it was to rats because I flew through an incursion system. Yeah, I'm dumb.
Hulk pilots losing their Hulks because of not paying attention is okay, but losing Hulks despite paying attention is not (especially considering how hard it is to pay attention to mining). Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
480
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Posted - 2012.04.12 23:36:00 -
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silly pvptards. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
458
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Posted - 2012.04.12 23:43:00 -
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They should buff destroyers to hold 27500 cubic meters of cargo.
Then mining would be perfect.
I AM ******* PISSED OFF THAT EVE WILL NOT RUN ON MY COMMODORE 64. **** THAT **** I QUIT. take all my isk for 1 trit. |
Samuel Moore Walton
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
16
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Posted - 2012.04.12 23:45:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:They should buff destroyers to hold 27500 cubic meters of cargo.
Then mining would be perfect.
Didn't you used to be black? |
Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
10
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Posted - 2012.04.12 23:56:00 -
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The problem with mining aligned is you fly past the roids. To insta-warp you got to be at 75% of your top speed. Ive wondered how feasible it would be for 2 hulks to each fit 2 webs and keep each other webbed. Then both align and their speed is so low that they stay by the roids for a long time. When trouble warps in, both hit warp. Would both warp? Or would the timing leave one behind? Would a fleet warp insure both warp? |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
458
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Posted - 2012.04.13 00:16:00 -
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Samuel Moore Walton wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:They should buff destroyers to hold 27500 cubic meters of cargo.
Then mining would be perfect.
Didn't you used to be black?
I still am. I AM ******* PISSED OFF THAT EVE WILL NOT RUN ON MY COMMODORE 64. **** THAT **** I QUIT. take all my isk for 1 trit. |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.04.13 00:49:00 -
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Gaia Ma'chello wrote:The problem with mining aligned is you fly past the roids. To insta-warp you got to be at 75% of your top speed. Ive wondered how feasible it would be for 2 hulks to each fit 2 webs and keep each other webbed. Then both align and their speed is so low that they stay by the roids for a long time. When trouble warps in, both hit warp. Would both warp? Or would the timing leave one behind? Would a fleet warp insure both warp?
2 Hulks in a fleet, same corp you could do that with a fleet warp but when we need to brainstorm extreme evasion tactics it's simpler to just walk away. Let them pay 400 mill for a Battle Cruiser. I don't care. |
Endeavour Starfleet
795
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Posted - 2012.04.13 00:51:00 -
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They don't need more "Tank" or "movement" they need buffer. They need a HUGE boost to structure HP. Structure boost means it will take more than a few million to alpha these ships. And will force people to fit a damage control. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
398
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Posted - 2012.04.13 01:47:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:If they were more agile i think they'd stop feeling like industry ships.
you mean you wouldnt get as many ganks
I get it https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
167
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Posted - 2012.04.13 01:54:00 -
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I keep seeing this same tired old bull crap about being aligned. This only matters if you are alligned and moving.
I am sure this is just repeated as gosple but, for once, do yourself a favor ... Take a Hulk and an Orca, sitting still in a belt and aligned (not moving) toward their favorite station. Hit warp (or dock) ... start stopwatch and see how long it really takes.
Now, do the same thing but begin the Hulk and Orca facing 180 degrees out from station. Hit warp and start your stopwatch ... note the diference.
Sorry, not enough to get away from a gank.
Thus endeth the lesson.
Moral of the Story - improve the tank of Exhumers.
Nothing clever at this time. |
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