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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.22 21:50:00 -
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/22/iceland-recession-banking-collapse
On three shiny floors of a former fish factory is CCP, a company best known in computer gaming for Eve Online, which has 300,000 participants all over the world - as many inhabitants as Iceland itself. However, restrictions on access to foreign currency for individuals and businesses and on foreign investment into Iceland are making life difficult. "To make new games, we need foreign investors," says Eyjolfur Gudmundsson, formerly an assistant professor at the University of Akureyri, who supervises Eve's virtual economy. "The present currency restrictions are putting us in a straitjacket. We are in talks with the government, but if we can't let capital in, we might be compelled to leave Iceland, even though this would be against our wishes."
Thanks to Lum for the link.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.22 21:53:00 -
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It would be a real shame to see CCP leave Reykjavik, but if it's the only thing that keeps their brainchild alive then I can fully understand why they'd do it.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.22 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Verone It would be a real shame to see CCP leave Reykjavik...
Indeed, dont get me started on all the legislature on taxing virtual economies thanks to stick-in-ass bureaucrats on both sides of the Atlantic. -
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:00:00 -
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Does CCP own that property? That would suck trying to sell it in that market. How crazy is it that auto sales are down 93%?! ----------------------------------------------------
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Graelyn
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:02:00 -
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Oof.
Harsh.
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Braxo
Caldari Spathiwa Defenders
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:08:00 -
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But CCP has offices outside of Iceland, right? Can't they convert one of those offices into a sister company and use that to get investors? Seems like leaving Iceland is a bit overkill. Anyways, just my 2 cents. --- Captain Braxo - Manufacture & Production - Hadean Drive Yards |
Delos Korelian
Amarr Korelian'S Salvage and Reclamation
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:15:00 -
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I just hope CCP won't come to USA, otherwise poor bastards will have to deal with a Class Action Lawsuit by some disgruntled ****ers.
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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:20:00 -
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Great. I hope they move to Los Angeles, and I hope they bring the server cluster with them.
That would make me happy beyond words. :)
-K
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne Great. I hope they move to Los Angeles, and I hope they bring the server cluster with them.
That would make me happy beyond words. :)
-K
Dude, LA? No Way! CCP would spend a fortune on AC bills.
Canada or Upstate NY, that's where they should move and bring servers.
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Antarious Kronar
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:26:00 -
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I'm American but I think CCP needs to stay in Europe. Our courts here are completely f***ed up and there will be someone that would file a lawsuit demanding the game to be dumbed down so the idiots can play too.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:28:00 -
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I thought at FanFest Hilmar (or one of them) said Iceland's economic woes did not particularly affect them. Also as noted above CCP has offices in the US and China. I am not up on all the intricacies of international investment but I would think CCP would have ample opportunity for it regardless if their HQ is in Iceland or Tahiti.
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne Great. I hope they move to Los Angeles, and I hope they bring the server cluster with them.
That would make me happy beyond words. :)
-K
The cluster is *still* in London
Also, CCP should move to Copenhagen. It's not all that different from Reykjavik, only more awesome.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h I thought at FanFest Hilmar (or one of them) said Iceland's economic woes did not particularly affect them. Also as noted above CCP has offices in the US and China. I am not up on all the intricacies of international investment but I would think CCP would have ample opportunity for it regardless if their HQ is in Iceland or Tahiti.
Didn't you read the whole article? It only affects them if they want to pull in investors for a new game. Their current operation is fine.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Antarious Kronar I'm American but I think CCP needs to stay in Europe. Our courts here are completely f***ed up and there will be someone that would file a lawsuit demanding the game to be dumbed down so the idiots can play too.
Nah...
Everyone *thinks* lawsuits are like falling out of bed in the US but it just ain't so. No lawyer will touch the case on a contingency fee basis without some notion that there is a very large payday at the end of it and a very good chance at winning. Without a contingency fee a lawyer would demand money up front. What gamer is going to shell out tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to stop gate camping (or whatever)?
In short, very very unlikely to happen.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h I thought at FanFest Hilmar (or one of them) said Iceland's economic woes did not particularly affect them. Also as noted above CCP has offices in the US and China. I am not up on all the intricacies of international investment but I would think CCP would have ample opportunity for it regardless if their HQ is in Iceland or Tahiti.
Didn't you read the whole article? It only affects them if they want to pull in investors for a new game. Their current operation is fine.
Understood. No idea what all other new games CCP has in mind besides the one in the works but whatever. I still see no reason why they being in Iceland would bar anyone from giving them money to start a new game. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Antarious Kronar
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Antarious Kronar I'm American but I think CCP needs to stay in Europe. Our courts here are completely f***ed up and there will be someone that would file a lawsuit demanding the game to be dumbed down so the idiots can play too.
Nah...
Everyone *thinks* lawsuits are like falling out of bed in the US but it just ain't so. No lawyer will touch the case on a contingency fee basis without some notion that there is a very large payday at the end of it and a very good chance at winning. Without a contingency fee a lawyer would demand money up front. What gamer is going to shell out tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to stop gate camping (or whatever)?
In short, very very unlikely to happen.
Let's see...
A woman pulls up to McDonald's and buys a coffee, placing it between her legs. Drives off, hits a bump and burns the hell out of her <explicit>. She goes to court and wins because she and her lawyer are idiots.
A man uses a ladder on ice and falls and get's hurt, while the ladder has warnings on it that clearly states not to use it on ice. He wins the lawsuit because he and his lawyer are idiots.
All it would take is a class action lawsuit.
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:39:00 -
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They are moving to China because that is where 90% of their customer base is at...duh.
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hundurinn
Systematic Chaos.
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h I thought at FanFest Hilmar (or one of them) said Iceland's economic woes did not particularly affect them. Also as noted above CCP has offices in the US and China. I am not up on all the intricacies of international investment but I would think CCP would have ample opportunity for it regardless if their HQ is in Iceland or Tahiti.
Didn't you read the whole article? It only affects them if they want to pull in investors for a new game. Their current operation is fine.
Understood. No idea what all other new games CCP has in mind besides the one in the works but whatever. I still see no reason why they being in Iceland would bar anyone from giving them money to start a new game.
I'd imagine it were the laws which were passed not long ago which restrict any currency going in and our of the country.
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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2008.12.22 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Antarious Kronar I'm American but I think CCP needs to stay in Europe. Our courts here are completely f***ed up and there will be someone that would file a lawsuit demanding the game to be dumbed down so the idiots can play too.
Actually CCP is more restricted business wise by being located in Europe. Those crazy Europeans and their labor laws, mandatory vacations and consumer protections. Seesh. Haven't they heard about how great unrestricted "American Style" capitalism is?
Anyway, to set the record straight. I was joking about wanting them to move. They should stay where they are...
But if they have to move. Los Angeles is the place.
-K
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Antarious Kronar Let's see...
A woman pulls up to McDonald's and buys a coffee, placing it between her legs. Drives off, hits a bump and burns the hell out of her <explicit>. She goes to court and wins because she and her lawyer are idiots.
A man uses a ladder on ice and falls and get's hurt, while the ladder has warnings on it that clearly states not to use it on ice. He wins the lawsuit because he and his lawyer are idiots.
All it would take is a class action lawsuit.
Sure you can come up with a number of anecdotes of stupid cases (and actually the McDonald's one is not as egregiously bad as many have been led to assume).
And while class actions are attractive to attorneys wanting a big payday they are not easily done and proving actual damages because you got popped in a gate camp is rather unlikely.
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Orb Lati
Minmatar ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:09:00 -
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They need to move to Amsterdam.
Imagine how popular Evefest 2009 would be
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Gojyu
Ever Flow Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Delos Korelian I just hope CCP won't come to USA, otherwise poor bastards will have to deal with a Class Action Lawsuit by some disgruntled ****ers.
American law already applies to CCP, as they've already moved here
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Dal Thrax
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Braxo But CCP has offices outside of Iceland, right? Can't they convert one of those offices into a sister company and use that to get investors? Seems like leaving Iceland is a bit overkill. Anyways, just my 2 cents.
Well if there game is selling in Euro's and Dollars and there government is giving them problems converting to the local currency, I can see how they'd get into a situation where they'd have no choice but to leave.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:25:00 -
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They should move to China, and let us log into Serenity. Then instead of us versus the Russians, it'd be us versus the Russians versus the Chinese.
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Dal Thrax
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Antarious Kronar
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Antarious Kronar I'm American but I think CCP needs to stay in Europe. Our courts here are completely f***ed up and there will be someone that would file a lawsuit demanding the game to be dumbed down so the idiots can play too.
Nah...
Everyone *thinks* lawsuits are like falling out of bed in the US but it just ain't so. No lawyer will touch the case on a contingency fee basis without some notion that there is a very large payday at the end of it and a very good chance at winning. Without a contingency fee a lawyer would demand money up front. What gamer is going to shell out tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to stop gate camping (or whatever)?
In short, very very unlikely to happen.
Let's see...
A woman pulls up to McDonald's and buys a coffee, placing it between her legs. Drives off, hits a bump and burns the hell out of her <explicit>. She goes to court and wins because she and her lawyer are idiots.
A man uses a ladder on ice and falls and get's hurt, while the ladder has warnings on it that clearly states not to use it on ice. He wins the lawsuit because he and his lawyer are idiots.
All it would take is a class action lawsuit.
Well actually McDonalds spent a good deal of time and effort engineering how to keep their coffee in a liquid state well past the boiling point of water. The McDonalds coffee lawsuits where about people that got scalded by superhot water.
Basically the courts said that if you spill regular coffee on yourself you're SOL. If somebody gives you special superhot coffee that is only being kept from converting to steam by some serious engineering then the person who gave you the coffee could be liable. (Seriously, the McDonalds coffee problem is used in advanced math and engineering textbooks to remind folks that just because the equations say that the maximum benefit will be reached at a certain point, that doesn't mean there isn't a real life reason you shouldn't do it).
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ChinaWillGrowLarger
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker They should move to China, and let us log into Serenity. Then instead of us versus the Russians, it'd be us versus the Russians versus the Chinese.
...I like
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Orb Lati They need to move to Amsterdam.
Imagine how popular Evefest 2009 would be
This please. ----------------------------------------------------
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Dr Panda
Swedish Aerospace Inc G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:40:00 -
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I'd say CCP makes Iceland and Iceland makes CCP(!).
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Black Plague. Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 22/12/2008 23:45:31
Originally by: Antarious Kronar A woman pulls up to McDonald's and buys a coffee, placing it between her legs. Drives off, hits a bump and burns the hell out of her <explicit>. She goes to court and wins because she and her lawyer are idiots.
Not to go too far off topic, but that is exactly the problem with the media reporting on court cases in the US. It leads to this concept people have of stupid lawsuits and greedy lawyers.
I'll keep it short (since entire case studies have been written individual pieces of this court case) The realty of that case is a.) McDonald did have some fault in the matter, b.) An employee mistake actually caused the spill to be possible, c.) The woman recieved major injuries, and d.) The woman recieved a very small percentage of what the media reported (think the total figure was 6 digits, and just barely covered medical bills).
Really our legal system isn't as screwed up as people think. It's just that the average person has no idea what is going on so they assume it is stupid or jump to false conclusions.
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Captain Bringdown
Minmatar Rage Against the Answering Machine
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Posted - 2008.12.22 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Orb Lati They need to move to Amsterdam.
Imagine how popular Evefest 2009 would be
This.. no question about it
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.23 00:14:00 -
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This just in, CCP is outsourcing all petitions to India as part of new cost-cutting procedures. --
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.12.23 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit This just in, CCP is outsourcing all petitions to India as part of new cost-cutting procedures.
I am sorry, I thought they already outsourced to India, since the responses to the petitions come as if the GMs do not understand any English at all.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.12.23 00:35:00 -
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I would not recommend any hasty reactions before the full force of the economic crisis has hit Europe. In the next 1-2 years, anything can happen ...
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Grave Tidings
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Posted - 2008.12.23 00:38:00 -
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No no no... they should up here to Colorado. Lots of mountains, breweries, and currently 18 degrees farenheit. Goat farms, sheep ranches, and an entire community of left wing radicals over there in Boulder. It would be just like home for them.
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Necrosmith
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.12.23 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne Great. I hope they move to Los Angeles, and I hope they bring the server cluster with them.
That would make me happy beyond words. :)
-K
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codex09
Minmatar Entropy Systems Mining Co.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: codex09 on 23/12/2008 00:51:28
Originally by: Karlemgne Great. I hope they move to Los Angeles, and I hope they bring the server cluster with them.
That would make me happy beyond words. :)
-K
The chances they will ever move the cluster from the datacenter it is currently in are very slim I would guess no matter where in the world they moved the HQ to. In fact even though it would be nice if the cluster was moved closer to Australia, where it currently is gets reasonable pings for most people all over the world I would guess so don't move what isn't broken.
Anyway if CCP needs to relocate to keep the games they are developing alive then so be it, I would personally rather they moved than folded if it came to that cause it would be a shame to lose EVE & that other game CCP are making. (whats the story with that other game?)
As for DT in the middle of prime time, us Aussie's have had this happening to us since I don't know when & it isn't as bad as you think. (CCP should give the US PT a go at having DT for a while)
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Fraszoid
Caldari Condottieri Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.23 01:12:00 -
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If they have to move, Gimli, Manitoba, Canada is the place to go. Its on a big lake, flat and nice weather, and its predominantly Icelandic Canadians too. Its a nice place to live, and do business. -------------------------------------------------- Everyone is born right handed, only the great over come it. |
Cruentiorus
Defenders of the Plain of Aleion
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Posted - 2008.12.23 01:26:00 -
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This a possible set-up for us accepting that they eventually move their offices to Atari Corporate? Maybe the tin-foil crowd was right after all...
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JeanPierre
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.23 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Antarious Kronar
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Antarious Kronar I'm American but I think CCP needs to stay in Europe. Our courts here are completely f***ed up and there will be someone that would file a lawsuit demanding the game to be dumbed down so the idiots can play too.
Nah...
Everyone *thinks* lawsuits are like falling out of bed in the US but it just ain't so. No lawyer will touch the case on a contingency fee basis without some notion that there is a very large payday at the end of it and a very good chance at winning. Without a contingency fee a lawyer would demand money up front. What gamer is going to shell out tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to stop gate camping (or whatever)?
In short, very very unlikely to happen.
Let's see...
A woman pulls up to McDonald's and buys a coffee, placing it between her legs. Drives off, hits a bump and burns the hell out of her <explicit>. She goes to court and wins because she and her lawyer are idiots.
A man uses a ladder on ice and falls and get's hurt, while the ladder has warnings on it that clearly states not to use it on ice. He wins the lawsuit because he and his lawyer are idiots.
All it would take is a class action lawsuit.
The McDonald's case was actually justified. The problem is that the media didn't report the whole story. The woman was in her 70's and when the coffee spilled on her she was wearing some kind of sweats ensemble. At 180 degrees it spread like wildfire. She was reported by the emergency room as suffering 2nd and 3rd degree burns on over 75% of her entire body. She had a very good case in that instance.
Don't get me wrong, I hate lawyers and most legalist type crap. But the mis-reporting in that one case made it seem like she was just some dumb bumbble dork, and she wasn't, she was honestly hurt beyond pain you yourself would tolerate I'd wager.
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 23/12/2008 01:51:04 Surely they don't need to actually move to be an attractive investment.
Create a corporate shell elsewhere put the new IP & investment in the shell, have it pay CCP Iceland to do the development work and operate the games for the new co.
Ideally incorporate the shell somewhere tax efficent for both CCP and the investors point of view... I doubt they're wanting to IPO or conduct a reverse merger.
Places like Isle of Man are looking for e-gaming businesses and are small enough to cut companies and their investors 'special' deals. TBH I would imagine they would be over the moon to land CCP's new business.
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Bloody Rabbit
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Antarious Kronar I'm American but I think CCP needs to stay in Europe. Our courts here are completely f***ed up and there will be someone that would file a lawsuit demanding the game to be dumbed down so the idiots can play too.
Nah...
Everyone *thinks* lawsuits are like falling out of bed in the US but it just ain't so. No lawyer will touch the case on a contingency fee basis without some notion that there is a very large payday at the end of it and a very good chance at winning. Without a contingency fee a lawyer would demand money up front. What gamer is going to shell out tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to stop gate camping (or whatever)?
In short, very very unlikely to happen.
Don't forget the 10-15 thousand that the client or lawyer would need to pony up for the court costs before the whole thing starts.
But that is just the opening bill, after a week that would be spent and more would be billed. I don't remember a single case that my family handled that didn't factor in 100 thousand for court costs up front.
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Bloody Rabbit
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dal Thrax
Originally by: Antarious Kronar Let's see...
A woman pulls up to McDonald's and buys a coffee, placing it between her legs. Drives off, hits a bump and burns the hell out of her <explicit>. She goes to court and wins because she and her lawyer are idiots.
A man uses a ladder on ice and falls and get's hurt, while the ladder has warnings on it that clearly states not to use it on ice. He wins the lawsuit because he and his lawyer are idiots.
All it would take is a class action lawsuit.
Well actually McDonalds spent a good deal of time and effort engineering how to keep their coffee in a liquid state well past the boiling point of water. The McDonalds coffee lawsuits where about people that got scalded by superhot water.
Basically the courts said that if you spill regular coffee on yourself you're SOL. If somebody gives you special superhot coffee that is only being kept from converting to steam by some serious engineering then the person who gave you the coffee could be liable. (Seriously, the McDonalds coffee problem is used in advanced math and engineering textbooks to remind folks that just because the equations say that the maximum benefit will be reached at a certain point, that doesn't mean there isn't a real life reason you shouldn't do it).
In business school I was forced to study that case for weeks. There is more than just it was hot coffee, there are McD management that wanted to warn of it being too hot, there was the fact that the cup which held the coffee wasn't designed for the temperature of the coffee. There were many, many inside memos passed that they should have lowered the temperature or put warnings on the cup but they are passed off as too expensive, or too much of a problem about nothing.
So please before shooting off about that case try to understand there was a real reason why it when to court and there was a real reason why the women got paid.
Here is a written account:
McD Coffee Case
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Jake Silence
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:24:00 -
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If CCP moves to a US city, it should be Portland, Or.
Portland has the most breweries per capita in the US (also the most strip clubs per capita).
Oregon has mountains, forests, deserts, rivers and lakes, and is bordered by the Pacific Ocean. Hell, if you like active volcanoes, there is one right across the border in Washington state.
Abundant water, abundant hydropower, abundant beer, abundant strippers (not necessarily in that order) are all excellent reasons for a change of venue to Portland, should they want to move.
That, and only an hour and a half drive for me to get to Fanfest would be nice
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Black Plague. Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 23/12/2008 02:28:36
Originally by: Jake Silence If CCP moves to a US city, it should be Portland, Or.
Portland has the most breweries per capita in the US (also the most strip clubs per capita).
Oregon has mountains, forests, deserts, rivers and lakes, and is bordered by the Pacific Ocean. Hell, if you like active volcanoes, there is one right across the border in Washington state.
Abundant water, abundant hydropower, abundant beer, abundant strippers (not necessarily in that order) are all excellent reasons for a change of venue to Portland, should they want to move.
That, and only an hour and a half drive for me to get to Fanfest would be nice
Strangely enough, that is the entire official tourism video word for word.
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Qordel
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:29:00 -
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I hope CCP moves either to the Portland area (this is where OSSDN is as well as Linus Torvalds) or to the Denver area. Either way, it will facilitate my stalking which is hampered at this point by the great distance between myself and the primary CCP offices in Iceland.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Farrellus Cameron Does CCP own that property? That would suck trying to sell it in that market. How crazy is it that auto sales are down 93%?!
you for real?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h I thought at FanFest Hilmar (or one of them) said Iceland's economic woes did not particularly affect them. Also as noted above CCP has offices in the US and China. I am not up on all the intricacies of international investment but I would think CCP would have ample opportunity for it regardless if their HQ is in Iceland or Tahiti.
Didn't you read the whole article? It only affects them if they want to pull in investors for a new game. Their current operation is fine.
I read the whole article, seems more like they mean in general mate. I mean sure eve is great, but we all know they want to expand on eve into more games within eve online. They need invsetors for plantary combat, and stuff like releasing the boxed version of eve online.
IN general I read the line "let some capital in" as LET SOME CAPITAL IN. and I for one think eve online could use that money as well.
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Goodking Zoel
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:49:00 -
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Pretty sure they've already thought about the beer angle from getgo as this place is located within a convenient twenty minutes (one hour in traffic) of the Atlanta office. The only problem is that it's in Atlanta. Wouldn't wish that on anyone. :p
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Strel Samodelkin
Caldari Nationalist Party
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Posted - 2008.12.23 03:03:00 -
[49]
That would suck, but if you do decide to go, come to Seattle. :)
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.23 03:10:00 -
[50]
How can politicians even think of taxing virtual game economy. That virtual economy belongs to another nation, where the country's laws do not apply in any way whatsoever. What goes on in that virtual economy is completely out of their jurisdiction
If they want to tax it, first they gotta try get elected as representatives of that virtual world. Or they can try invade it and build a super empire and then task people for living in their space (like BoB)
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.23 03:13:00 -
[51]
Yay for derail.
Although you have to love the first post who mentioned McDonalds - seriously are there still people who think its ok to sell coffee so hot that spilling it sends people to the ER?
Isnt it an example of why its good that we can sure people?
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Neesa Corrinne
Rogue Shadow Squad Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.23 04:08:00 -
[52]
Given CCP's cozy new accommodations with White Wolf, one of the best bets of places to move would be Atlanta Georgia... which I fully support being a native of the ATL myself.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.23 04:16:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Strel Samodelkin That would suck, but if you do decide to go, come to Seattle. :)
yeah! that's 2 votes for Seattle!
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Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2008.12.23 04:20:00 -
[54]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Karlemgne Great. I hope they move to Los Angeles, and I hope they bring the server cluster with them.
That would make me happy beyond words. :)
-K
The cluster is *still* in London
Also, CCP should move to Copenhagen. It's not all that different from Reykjavik, only more awesome.
I'd rather they stay where they are, simply because
Iceland = Vikings = Badass
... but if they have to leave, I'd understand, though I'd be amazed if the government of such a small country forces an international company (albeit a small one, but again, small country) like CCP to just walk away. ... besides, I've said all I'm going to say. You're reading my sig now! Bwa!
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy
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Posted - 2008.12.23 04:21:00 -
[55]
They are moving the server farm to my basement, send me isk and I will reinforce your node \o/
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.23 04:22:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Kessiaan
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Karlemgne Great. I hope they move to Los Angeles, and I hope they bring the server cluster with them.
That would make me happy beyond words. :)
-K
The cluster is *still* in London
Also, CCP should move to Copenhagen. It's not all that different from Reykjavik, only more awesome.
I'd rather they stay where they are, simply because
Iceland = Vikings = Badass
... but if they have to leave, I'd understand, though I'd be amazed if the government of such a small country forces an international company (albeit a small one, but again, small country) like CCP to just walk away.
well we all know they would move back if they had the chance...
or amybe that would be like moving back into your moms home..
no it's thier homeland they wouldn't want to stay away forever.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.23 06:00:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Everyone *thinks* lawsuits are like falling out of bed in the US but it just ain't so. No lawyer will touch the case on a contingency fee basis without some notion that there is a very large payday at the end of it and a very good chance at winning. Without a contingency fee a lawyer would demand money up front. What gamer is going to shell out tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to stop gate camping (or whatever)?
In short, very very unlikely to happen.
These are Americans you're talking about. There are no doubt thousands who would think nothing of spending hundreds or even thousands of dollars on the basis that they feel they have a good case, regardless of what a lawyer says. The problem with the courts is that they do sometimes have a tendency to pity these poor misguided souls and give them what they ask for.
The same culture has been invading the UK for years now and doctors for example, will not treat a person who may be dying by the side of a road in case they are sued for malpractice. No more "is there a doctor in the house" because nobody will answer even if it's at a medical convention.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2008.12.23 10:32:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Kessiaan on 23/12/2008 10:32:59 After reading the entire article, I'm a bit mystified as to why the government would hamstring CCP - it seems that in a country experiencing severe inflation / devaluation of its native currency, a source of more stable foreign currency would be something that would you'd want to have around.
As for where to go - midwestern USA is a great place to plot world domination. Pay off the local farmers to look the other way, lots of space, nobody will bother you. ... besides, I've said all I'm going to say. You're reading my sig now! Bwa!
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.23 10:37:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Kessiaan
I'd rather they stay where they are, simply because
Iceland = Vikings = Badass
... but if they have to leave, I'd understand, though I'd be amazed if the government of such a small country forces an international company (albeit a small one, but again, small country) like CCP to just walk away.
Are you saying Danish people aren't Vikings?
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Lucy'Lastic
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Posted - 2008.12.23 10:38:00 -
[60]
They should move somewhere that has rules against falsely advertising an MMO with claims that it can support PvP engagements of over 200 players.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.23 10:47:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Lucy'Lastic They should move somewhere that has rules against falsely advertising an MMO with claims that it can support PvP engagements of over 200 players.
are you saying that with drone models off, turets off, and shadows off, HDR off, and everything else off, you still get lag?
woah time to buy a new computer mate.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.23 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Glengrant on 23/12/2008 11:04:58
Originally by: Antarious Kronar
A woman pulls up to McDonald's and buys a coffee, placing it between her legs. Drives off, hits a bump and burns the hell out of her <explicit>. She goes to court and wins because she and her lawyer are idiots.
A man uses a ladder on ice and falls and get's hurt, while the ladder has warnings on it that clearly states not to use it on ice. He wins the lawsuit because he and his lawyer are idiots.
All it would take is a class action lawsuit.
But don't above examples rather show that they are brilliant (got lots of money out of their own mistakes) and that the court/jurors are idiots?
And the point by another poster above stands - to get a lawyer you either have to pay or a good chance of making outragous money. That's unlikely to be the case with EVE.
I'm sure there are some crazies here who would want to start a class action suit (heck one already said he would like to in a recent threadnought - not that I believe him going though with it). But I don't see a lawyer finding a good payout here.
Also it's much easier to get jurors into crazy-mode with hideous wounds and unpopular megacorp. A case vs game company and some players whining about stuff that jurors would have trouble even understanding is not going to get far money-wise.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.23 11:16:00 -
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to be honest,
1.That coffee didn't have any warnings on it..
and
2.She got ****ing 3rd degree burns. While I think she is an idiot, what kind of coffee has to be that hot?!?!
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Entreri Finwe
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 12:00:00 -
[64]
That article is aparently very unreliable...
Originally by: jarack I de-synced in my bathroom once, now i have no where to wash my hands
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2008.12.23 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon That coffee didn't have any warnings on it..
If you need a warning on a cup of coffee saying "Warning! This **** is really hot!" then you may as well put warnings on water and soda saying "Warning! Inhaling this may result in drowning!" - "Warning! Soda is not to be used to clean your eyes or genitals!" and so on __________________
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Ombey
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.23 12:08:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Places like Isle of Man are looking for e-gaming businesses
Everytime someone mentions the Isle of Man, I immediately think of this Fast Show sketch. --
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.23 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kappas.
Originally by: MotherMoon That coffee didn't have any warnings on it..
If you need a warning on a cup of coffee saying "Warning! This **** is really hot!" then you may as well put warnings on water and soda saying "Warning! Inhaling this may result in drowning!" - "Warning! Soda is not to be used to clean your eyes or genitals!" and so on
no, a normal cup of coffee shouldn't burn that hot, so your right, my mistake. But I for one HAVE spilled coffee in my lap, and I didn't even get any type of burn, sure it hurt, but it didn't make skin peel off. My point is, don't serve coffee at boil point.
I'll take back the warning thing.
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Bumbum George
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Posted - 2008.12.23 12:44:00 -
[68]
look mom, i'm posting in a "hot coffee" thread
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 13:22:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Kessiaan Edited by: Kessiaan on 23/12/2008 10:32:59 After reading the entire article, I'm a bit mystified as to why the government would hamstring CCP - it seems that in a country experiencing severe inflation / devaluation of its native currency, a source of more stable foreign currency would be something that would you'd want to have around.
As for where to go - midwestern USA is a great place to plot world domination. Pay off the local farmers to look the other way, lots of space, nobody will bother you.
As I understand it, if they let people use other currencies, it would just devalue the ISK further. Iceland wants to save the ISK (because all of their debt is in it), so they need to hold the Icelandic people hostage to their own currency.
Anyhow, another vote for Portland, although I suspect they'd be happier in Canada and it would make more sense to go to Atlanta if they did come to the USA. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.23 14:02:00 -
[70]
I vote for the option of buying a cruise ship and running the SS CCP via satellite link to explore the world, program Eve and boldly go where no floating games studio has gone before
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.23 14:14:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Arianhod I vote for the option of buying a cruise ship and running the SS CCP via satellite link to explore the world, program Eve and boldly go where no floating games studio has gone before
oh oh oh, CP should hook up and nasa and.. move to the moon! or mars one or the other
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 14:27:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Ombey
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Places like Isle of Man are looking for e-gaming businesses
Everytime someone mentions the Isle of Man, I immediately think of this Fast Show sketch.
LOL
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 14:46:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Kappas
If you need a warning on a cup of coffee saying "Warning! This **** is really hot!" then you may as well put warnings on water and soda saying "Warning! Inhaling this may result in drowning!" - "Warning! Soda is not to be used to clean your eyes or genitals!" and so on
Maybe we should put warnings on threads saying you should actually read them (and the articles they link to) before commenting :)
This has been answered - several times.
It's not that the coffee was *hot*, but that it was excessively hot for coffee and that the cups were not designed for it, plus numerous other failings on the part of McDonald's.
Yes the woman should not have held the coffee cup between her legs, but that doesn't diminish McD's culpability for their failings in any way.
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2008.12.23 15:22:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Captain Bringdown
Originally by: Orb Lati They need to move to Amsterdam.
Imagine how popular Evefest 2009 would be
This.. no question about it
No, no, all wrong.
GRONINGEN
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Lord Zoran
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.12.23 15:43:00 -
[75]
move to bristol in the uk plz :
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CCP Dr.EyjoG
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Posted - 2008.12.23 17:10:00 -
[76]
Edited by: CCP Dr.EyjoG on 23/12/2008 17:10:46 Edited by: CCP Dr.EyjoG on 23/12/2008 17:10:24 Good to see how many of you are interested in having CCP in your own back yard. In this interview I was discussing recent law in Iceland that puts restrictions on movement of capital in and out of the country. CCP sees these as being very restrictive for our future growth, and hence, eventually we would have to let CCP grow in other places than Iceland. Fortunately, these law have been lifted somewhat and we expect them to be lifted further early in the new year. If that trend continues CCP can prosper and grow in Iceland, but CCP is not bound by any borders, physically or mentally, in order to make sure that EVE gets the best care possible. Furthermore, we would like to emphasize that CCP has not been affected directly by the banking crisis in Iceland. Thanks to our dear capsulers, CCP and EVE-online are truly a global phenomenon in a space of its own.
I wish you all a happy holiday and thank you for playing EVE in 2008. See you all, and many more, in 2009.
Dr. EyjoG
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.23 17:21:00 -
[77]
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG Edited by: CCP Dr.EyjoG on 23/12/2008 17:10:46 Edited by: CCP Dr.EyjoG on 23/12/2008 17:10:24 Good to see how many of you are interested in having CCP in your own back yard. In this interview I was discussing recent law in Iceland that puts restrictions on movement of capital in and out of the country. CCP sees these as being very restrictive for our future growth, and hence, eventually we would have to let CCP grow in other places than Iceland. Fortunately, these law have been lifted somewhat and we expect them to be lifted further early in the new year. If that trend continues CCP can prosper and grow in Iceland, but CCP is not bound by any borders, physically or mentally, in order to make sure that EVE gets the best care possible. Furthermore, we would like to emphasize that CCP has not been affected directly by the banking crisis in Iceland. Thanks to our dear capsulers, CCP and EVE-online are truly a global phenomenon in a space of its own.
I wish you all a happy holiday and thank you for playing EVE in 2008. See you all, and many more, in 2009.
Dr. EyjoG
good luck you guys :) it would suck if you couldn't move your money around. But then again I have no degree in economics, so I just THINK this is what you meant :P
and if CCP never moves that's alright, still a chance whitewolf will move up to Seattle :P
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Gone'Postal
Aztec Industry
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Posted - 2008.12.23 17:26:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Gone''Postal on 23/12/2008 17:25:48
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
Good to see how many of you are interested in having CCP in your own back yard. In this interview I was discussing recent law in Iceland that puts restrictions on movement of capital in and out of the country. CCP sees these as being very restrictive for our future growth, and hence, eventually we would have to let CCP grow in other places than Iceland. Fortunately, these law have been lifted somewhat and we expect them to be lifted further early in the new year. If that trend continues CCP can prosper and grow in Iceland, but CCP is not bound by any borders, physically or mentally, in order to make sure that CCP gets the best care possible. Furthermore, we would like to emphasize that CCP has not been affected directly by the banking crisis in Iceland. Thanks to our dear capsulers, CCP and EVE-online are truly a global phenomenon in a space of its own.
I wish you all a happy holiday and thank you for playing EVE in 2008. See you all, and many more, in 2009.
Dr. EyjoG
Fixed that for ya..
Buy My Mines!
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 19:13:00 -
[79]
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG puts restrictions on movement of capital in and out of the country. CCP sees these as being very restrictive for our future growth, and hence, eventually we would have to let CCP grow in other places than Iceland.
If it becomes a real issue for you, just move to a group company structure with the holding company off-shore somewhere that's investor and tax friendly. Collect all your revenue and hold the IP in the holding company. Remit revenue to the sub's as needed. That way developers and the fish tank can stay where they are.
Isle of Man has some very friendly egaming legislation and there's a load of business benefits. Including; Zero rate of Tax on Taxable Income from 6th April 2005
and if you needed to re-locate some staff (administrative and payments related let's say) they have grants available too.
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Huuk Nirka
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Posted - 2009.01.02 07:04:00 -
[80]
nop CCP must to come in Switzerland.
Not a lot of taxe. In middle of the Europe etc.
That will be perfect.
Smile
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:22:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Lui Kai on 02/01/2009 12:27:45
Originally by: Orb Lati They need to move to Amsterdam.
Imagine how popular Evefest 2009 would be
+2. Then I could actually convince the lil lady it was worthwhile buying the plane tickets on our budget
Originally by: Dr Slaughter If it becomes a real issue for you, just move to a group company structure with the holding company off-shore somewhere that's investor and tax friendly. Collect all your revenue and hold the IP in the holding company. Remit revenue to the sub's as needed. That way developers and the fish tank can stay where they are.
Isle of Man has some very friendly egaming legislation and there's a load of business benefits. Including; Zero rate of Tax on Taxable Income from 6th April 2005
and if you needed to re-locate some staff (administrative and payments related let's say) they have grants available too.
The Internet - where random people get to give business advice to a Professor and Doctor of Econmics on how to handle his corporate financial structuring. I love it. ----------------
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.03 06:44:00 -
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I vote CCP move to Isle of Man too. Aslo that the fanfest be held a few days before the TT races. You would probably make a lot of players very happy then.
Of course this has no bearing on the fact that we can then convince the gf/wife that staying for the Isle of Man TT would be getting the most out of our holiday
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2009.01.03 15:32:00 -
[83]
The isle of man has some..... other disadvantages though. Tyrrax won't be let into the country for example :>
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static zero
Minmatar RPS Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.07 08:50:00 -
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I hope that the difficulties can be resolved quickly. In addition to being a major MMO publisher, it is also an ambassador for Iceland, to the Internet gaming community at least. Iceland would lose more than just a great source of revenue were CCP to leave.
I've fallen in love with Iceland and it wouldn't have happened if it weren't for CCP, Eve Online, and Fanfest.
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Yanarix Blitz
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Posted - 2009.01.22 01:40:00 -
[85]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/iris-lee/iceland-is-burning_b_159552.html
Iceland is burning
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