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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:32:00 -
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Remove pos mining from the game, and put these minerals into scan sites where miner ships could mine it out.
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Fahtim Meidires
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:43:00 -
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Wars are fought over good moons. Remove wars from the game.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.23 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Fahtim Meidires Wars are fought over good moons. Remove wars from the game.
Yes thats the problem , huge alliances can easily controll the high end moons even while they cant controll the territory. By making them to scan out sites, alliances should have fight for territories and actively use the territory to get the income,imho much better than the current set blue 70% of eve and blob the rest with capitals. There are regions which are completly empty only reason for this is that to gather income doesnt need you to actively present in the region , only use a hauler alt to move out minerals every 2 weeks/fuel pos.
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.12.23 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight
Yes thats the problem , huge alliances can easily controll the high end moons even while they cant controll the territory. By making them to scan out sites, alliances should have fight for territories and actively use the territory to get the income,imho much better than the current set blue 70% of eve and blob the rest with capitals. There are regions which are completly empty only reason for this is that to gather income doesnt need you to actively present in the region , only use a hauler alt to move out minerals every 2 weeks/fuel pos.
Well attack the hauler alt then. Last time i checked haulers were not invinsible and if you destroy the hauler you destroy ~50% of those minerals and you can scoop the rest.
Only problem here is people allowing the big allaince's a free roam to make the money. but that is only a small % of the player base and there is regular wars/skirmises to try to bring enemy corp/allaince down.
Annoyed with the ghost training fiasco.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.23 10:40:00 -
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Oh yes because it is so easy to capture a well flown jump freighter. Oh and how do you bring those poses down? The defenders will have 1.5-2 days to prepare for your finishing attack,then you will be outblobbed.
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.12.23 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight Oh yes because it is so easy to capture a well flown jump freighter. Oh and how do you bring those poses down? The defenders will have 1.5-2 days to prepare for your finishing attack,then you will be outblobbed.
Only if the defending force is bigger, why should a solo pilot be able to sneak in and raid a large alliances valuable minerals. Alliance's need serious money to run and moon mining is the faucet they have been given.
Do you just want a peice of the pie yourself and are not willing to put in the effort to join/create an alliance big/good enough to take the resorces by force.
Why should a valuble resource of an alliance be placed in such a way that any solo/low sp character could fly in and take it.
And if you think about it if the alliance out blobs you now how do you purpose getting into their space taking their stuff and getting out again?
Annoyed with the ghost training fiasco.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.23 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Naomi Knight on 23/12/2008 12:56:46 Edited by: Naomi Knight on 23/12/2008 12:53:32
Originally by: Midas Man
Originally by: Naomi Knight Oh yes because it is so easy to capture a well flown jump freighter. Oh and how do you bring those poses down? The defenders will have 1.5-2 days to prepare for your finishing attack,then you will be outblobbed.
Only if the defending force is bigger, why should a solo pilot be able to sneak in and raid a large alliances valuable minerals. Alliance's need serious money to run and moon mining is the faucet they have been given.
Do you just want a peice of the pie yourself and are not willing to put in the effort to join/create an alliance big/good enough to take the resorces by force.
Why should a valuble resource of an alliance be placed in such a way that any solo/low sp character could fly in and take it.
And if you think about it if the alliance out blobs you now how do you purpose getting into their space taking their stuff and getting out again?
If they are not there anybody could scan and mine those out. And they will be there when the pos comes out of reinforced. Why should anybody own a territory when they are not even there.
Oh and quess how easy to make an alliance which can hold high end moons on its own. It is impossible. You have to join to one of the power block , and even then you wont have any until you capture some by yourself which is impossible too because you have to take it from your blues or another power block. Oh and if you have the numbers to challange one of them without pos income you wont be able to field as much capitals as them and you eighter run out of caps or forced to fall back.
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Fahtim Meidires
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.23 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight Edited by: Naomi Knight on 23/12/2008 12:56:46 Edited by: Naomi Knight on 23/12/2008 12:53:32
Originally by: Midas Man
Originally by: Naomi Knight Oh yes because it is so easy to capture a well flown jump freighter. Oh and how do you bring those poses down? The defenders will have 1.5-2 days to prepare for your finishing attack,then you will be outblobbed.
Only if the defending force is bigger, why should a solo pilot be able to sneak in and raid a large alliances valuable minerals. Alliance's need serious money to run and moon mining is the faucet they have been given.
Do you just want a peice of the pie yourself and are not willing to put in the effort to join/create an alliance big/good enough to take the resorces by force.
Why should a valuble resource of an alliance be placed in such a way that any solo/low sp character could fly in and take it.
And if you think about it if the alliance out blobs you now how do you purpose getting into their space taking their stuff and getting out again?
If they are not there anybody could scan and mine those out. And they will be there when the pos comes out of reinforced. Why should anybody own a territory when they are not even there.
Oh and quess how easy to make an alliance which can hold high end moons on its own. It is impossible. You have to join to one of the power block , and even then you wont have any until you capture some by yourself which is impossible too because you have to take it from your blues or another power block. Oh and if you have the numbers to challange one of them without pos income you wont be able to field as much capitals as them and you eighter run out of caps or forced to fall back.
Look, one of the things that needs to be mentioned is that sovereignty warfare isn't an easy task to accomplish. There is a reason why this highest level of combat is associated with this highest level of income. CCP has long stood by their philosophy that the purpose of pvp is to protect your resources, and the moon-mining POS-warfare form of combat is how alliances can play out that vision.
If your problem with moon mining is that it is too easy to defend the operation, then that's what you should address. I would love to see more vulnerable logistics that are separate from military or sovereignty operations, but that's no reason to remove moon mining entirely.
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