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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:50:00 -
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If people put even a 15k tank on their stuff BATs would not have been able to do a month long interdiction of caladri space and kill 707 exhumers. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 08:53:00 -
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Devil tiger wrote:
Hah even a 150k tank on them wouldn't have been enough with the numbers the gankers can bring.
If they can suicide tank a Freighter in Jita they most assuredly can do so to Hulks.
In order to kill all of those ships we had to at least break even on every kill. If we had to use a tornado on every ship we would have run out of isk before we hit 100. The vast bulk get killed by destroyers, the nados only come out for special events. The one and only reason so many hulks die is because people fail to put even the most basic of tanks on their ship. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:54:00 -
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What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:00:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:baltec1 wrote:What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs. No, it is just you who has forgotten that most ships get bonuses to their role. A few do not, which are ...
Few combat ships get a double damage bonus and a good resist bonus. Also dont kind yourself, mission runners and haulers get attacked just as much as miners do. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:04:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:baltec1 wrote:Few combat ships get a double damage bounus and a good resist bonus. Also dont kind yourself, mission runners and haulers get attacked you as much as miners do. Do you want to give strip miners more tracking or more fall-off?
How about more range, less cap use or better rof? |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:10:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs. Mael and Cyclone both have built-in shield boosters! No need to use shield booster module! Buy now!
Thats like saying lets not fit mining lasers to a hulk. Try to think these things through and not make yourself look even more idiotic... |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:15:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:
Mission runners get ganked for faction and officer fits. Haulers get ganked for their cargo. Miners get ganked for being pathetic.
Most miners get ganked by destroyers for profit. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:21:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: Why the question? Sure. I personally think that exhumers have a really stupid design. Retriever and Covetor only have one mid-slot and CCP not only gave the exhumers more resistances but slapped 3 additional mid-slots on so one can fit even more resistances on. There is little else to fit into the mids, which makes sense. This was super creative by CCP. In the same light do I see the extra yield bonus. It is just moar. I would say they had little ideas on what an exhumer should be like when they created them.
A better, tankier, more efficient covetor is what they went for and its exactly what we got. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:28:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: And your point now is you are being as pathetic as before?
If buy posting facts that you cannot counter then yes, I am posting facts you cannot counter. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:30:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Most miners get ganked by destroyers for profit. Profit? Didn't know T2 shield modules are more expensive than Sister's launchers.
Sisters lauchers have what to do with anything?
Its rather simple, kill the hulk, scoop the loot from both ships, salvage both ships and walk away with a good few mil in profit. The more t2 stip miners drop the better. Also scoop the ore. |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:43:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Sisters lauchers have what to do with anything? Just think: covert ops frigate chilling in middle of nowhere and probably AFK. Takes one Catalyst to pop that. Easy profit.
We did catch a few cov ops trying to salvage our kills. Their salvage alone made it worth ganking them but after 9 of them died they stopped trying. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:01:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Catching a covert ops frigate isn't impossible. No matter what you say.
Never said it was impossible, just that you will find way more untanked miners and haulers. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:22:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:
Why would some train and pay for an Hulk unless it's an idiot and why would another be idiot enough to build those?
The hulk can mine solo while the rokh is forced to jetcan mine. The hulk can also out strip a rokh if you sacrifice some tank for a MLU and still be able to tank most gank attempts by destroyers. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:37:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:
Why would some train and pay for an Hulk unless it's an idiot and why would another be idiot enough to build those?
The hulk can mine solo while the rokh is forced to jetcan mine. The hulk can also out strip a rokh if you sacrifice some tank for a MLU and still be able to tank most gank attempts by destroyers. Both can use hauler, one has more base cargo the other has FAR more TANK and same to better yeld the moment you use an hauler. And no no no no and NO!! for your MLU, you saying from the beginning miners are stupid enough to not tank their Hulk, and now it's exactly what you are saying so that an hulk wins some interest compared to a mining battleship... Whatever you bring as argument I can put it to the ground because you know as well as I do how badly designed mining and ships for it are. Now we can discuss and not agree on a point or another it doesn't really matter, what it matters is that mining is bots and multi boxing or stupid people activity at current game design. Now for each positive point you give me to use a tanked hulk I can give you a far better activity with -¦| isk income and fun, so what's the point of mining and industry in the game when all you need is passive moon goo, buy plex with isk and win (yes plex because it's new aurum pay to win stuff, you guys were just too blind to see it)
Point out a destroyer than can break a 22-27k tank in under 10 seconds. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:03:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:baltec1 wrote:Point out a destroyer than can break a 22-27k tank in under 10 seconds. Why would someone gank a 22/27K tank hulk with a destroyer unless it's a lazy or stupid newb? - everyone with a single neuron would immediately associate destroyer gank to T1 mining barges and battlecruisers to T2 mining barges You know all the story about alts and ship scanners etc etc etc, the same tactics by the way used to gank light haulers or freighters with billions of stuff in, you know what I mean, so why would you absolutely want to gank a 27k hulk with a destroyer? You are just making your uber Hulk crunch under my Tornado teeth
So we are in agreement, a tanked hulk with a MLU has nothing to fear from a destroyer. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:18:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:...and in this game it's pretty hard to run out of idiots When I run out of those I just go to VFK
Confirming foolish haulers never look at intel in vfk. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.17 19:31:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: Do you seriously believe that there are people out there who can afford a Hulk and afford to fit it like the OP suggests, who read the forum and who know about Hulkageddon, do not know about EFT, PYFA, EveHQ, Battleclinic loadouts, etc.?
If you cant afford the OPs tank then you should not be getting a hulk in the first place. Its not even 20 mil... |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.17 19:58:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: I am saying that you are acting desperate.
That still makes no sense. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:34:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:
You cant even do that can you.
how simple do you want me to ask?
Does the fit the Op gives increase Tankability over MLU's fit yes or no?
He won't answer because it flies in the face of his entire argument. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:14:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: Not necessarily. Depending on the first attempt can one still decide to give it a second try. Another ganker might just use the opportunity to make the catch after the first failed.
Gankers wont bother trying to kill something they cant kill. Especially if there is no profit in doing so. |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:31:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:
But there is always those who have way too much money to burn. They do it only for lulz.
Yea but thats not till the 28th |
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