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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:01:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Wouldn't that Hulk Fit would be considered crap by PvP standards because it lacks the equivalent of Industrial Tackle (Sruvey Scanner) and Industrial Damage Mods (MLU).
It's not that Hulks can't tank, it's that they can't do anything else besides tank unlike PvP Ships that get a mix of everything do to generous fitting and slot layout.
Hulk lacks utility not tank. According to most it is expected to make sacrifices like PvP Ships yet I happen to use T2 Guns, EWAR, Tank, Tackle, Speed Mods and Dmg Mods on my PvP Ships at the same time. On a Hulk I have to go tank only?
Many PvP fits don't include tackle or speed mods, and are just tank/DPS. Fleet battleships/battlecruisers spring to mind immediately. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3348
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:19:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I don't mine, and yet I can appreciate this fact. Which means you lack the experience. EFT warrior is EFT warrior.
I have mined, and I do have the experience. ET's fit is almost exactly the same as the one I posted a few days ago (I used an EM resist amp because IMO Tornados are a much greater threat to a tanked Hulk than Catalysts, and RF EMP L is the ammo to beat ) and so I strongly endorse it.
Of course, since 0.0 is actually safer than hi-sec (or so I'm constantly being told) it would be even more sensible for Hulk pilots to relocate to nullsec and enjoy far greater ore availability, as well as that greater safety. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:46:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Many PvP fits don't include tackle or speed mods, and are just tank/DPS. Fleet battleships/battlecruisers spring to mind immediately.
Yes they do however mix Tank and Damage Mods like the Miners MLU. Sure in a fleet with Orca Support you can have it Scan for you and haul for you like tacklers and logi support Combat Fleet Ships. Like a combat ship tank and damage are important.
Most of those fleet ships like the Mael, Drake, Cane, Tengu, ect do fit tackle tank and utility when solo or in small gangs as well. The Hulk being the top Miner should be able to operate solo and in fleets effectively or they should come up with new ships that do.
I am not so interested in boosting the Hulks Tanking potential as others have shown it can pull an effective tank. I just don't think meta 4 Med Extenders and Fitting Mods should be the standard for the T2 Top of the Mining food chain to do it.
[Hulk, Tanky] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
I honestly think that if this is what a tanky hulk looked like more people would fit it along these lines. Sacrifices can be made in the area's of rigs like Cargo Opts or the DCU II for a second MLU. Like this.
[Hulk, Hungry] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
When talking about the top Mining Ship that is T2 that is some pretty basic utility above and not really out of line or outrageous. This kind of Utility in fitting should come standard for any T2 Ship. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:49:00 -
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I do not care what you have. I do mine, too, on a given occasion and I will not sit in a ship worth 500m ISK and a thin tank while it is the most priced target to every ganker in EVE. It is because of its tank and price tag. If you do not get this then you are just as stupid like the rest of them who desperately hold on to the supertanked Hulk. People like you deserve Hulkageddon so you can snap out of your despair eventually. There is no other way to put it.
Let me ask you, did you not yet notice how miners are being treated? They not just get ganked, they get their cans flipped, they get bumped and threatened and laugh at on a daily basis. The miners are being treated like arseholes. If you do not see this and if this does not make you want a better mining ship then one cannot help you! |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:54:00 -
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What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:58:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs. No, it is just you who has forgotten that most ships get bonuses to their role. A few do not, which are ... |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:00:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:baltec1 wrote:What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs. No, it is just you who has forgotten that most ships get bonuses to their role. A few do not, which are ...
Few combat ships get a double damage bonus and a good resist bonus. Also dont kind yourself, mission runners and haulers get attacked just as much as miners do. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Few combat ships get a double damage bounus and a good resist bonus. Also dont kind yourself, mission runners and haulers get attacked you as much as miners do. Do you want to give strip miners more tracking or more fall-off?
Mission runners get ganked for faction and officer fits. Haulers get ganked for their cargo. Miners get ganked for being pathetic. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:04:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:baltec1 wrote:Few combat ships get a double damage bounus and a good resist bonus. Also dont kind yourself, mission runners and haulers get attacked you as much as miners do. Do you want to give strip miners more tracking or more fall-off?
How about more range, less cap use or better rof? |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:08:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs.
Mael and Cyclone both have built-in shield boosters! No need to use shield booster module! Buy now! Only (over) 9000 AUR. |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:10:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs. Mael and Cyclone both have built-in shield boosters! No need to use shield booster module! Buy now!
Thats like saying lets not fit mining lasers to a hulk. Try to think these things through and not make yourself look even more idiotic... |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:15:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Thats like saying lets not fit mining lasers to a hulk. Try to think these things through and not make yourself look even more idiotic...
Do you remember what you posted earlier? Let me help you a bit.
baltec1 wrote:What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs.
You try to say that Hulk doesn't need MLUs because it already has two bonuses boosting mining yield. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:15:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:
Mission runners get ganked for faction and officer fits. Haulers get ganked for their cargo. Miners get ganked for being pathetic.
Most miners get ganked by destroyers for profit. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Whitehound wrote:baltec1 wrote:Few combat ships get a double damage bounus and a good resist bonus. Also dont kind yourself, mission runners and haulers get attacked you as much as miners do. Do you want to give strip miners more tracking or more fall-off? How about more range, less cap use or better rof? Why the question? Sure. I personally think that exhumers have a really stupid design. Retriever and Covetor only have one mid-slot and CCP not only gave the exhumers more resistances but slapped 3 additional mid-slots on so one can fit even more resistances on. There is little else to fit into the mids, which makes sense. This was super creative by CCP. In the same light do I see the extra yield bonus. It is just moar. I would say they had little ideas on what an exhumer should be like when they created them. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:21:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: Why the question? Sure. I personally think that exhumers have a really stupid design. Retriever and Covetor only have one mid-slot and CCP not only gave the exhumers more resistances but slapped 3 additional mid-slots on so one can fit even more resistances on. There is little else to fit into the mids, which makes sense. This was super creative by CCP. In the same light do I see the extra yield bonus. It is just moar. I would say they had little ideas on what an exhumer should be like when they created them.
A better, tankier, more efficient covetor is what they went for and its exactly what we got. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:A better, tankier, more efficient covetor is what they went for and its exactly what we got. And your point now is you are being as pathetic as before? |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Most miners get ganked by destroyers for profit.
Profit? Didn't know T2 shield modules are more expensive than Sister's launchers. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:28:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: And your point now is you are being as pathetic as before?
If buy posting facts that you cannot counter then yes, I am posting facts you cannot counter. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:30:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Most miners get ganked by destroyers for profit. Profit? Didn't know T2 shield modules are more expensive than Sister's launchers.
Sisters lauchers have what to do with anything?
Its rather simple, kill the hulk, scoop the loot from both ships, salvage both ships and walk away with a good few mil in profit. The more t2 stip miners drop the better. Also scoop the ore. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:If buy posting facts that you cannot counter then yes, I am posting facts you cannot counter. I am not countering your facts. We all know the state the ships are in. I am say you are being pathetic for holding on to it. |
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sisters lauchers have what to do with anything?
Just think: covert ops frigate chilling in middle of nowhere and probably AFK. Takes one Catalyst to pop that. Easy profit. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:39:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Sisters lauchers have what to do with anything? Just think: covert ops frigate chilling in middle of nowhere and probably AFK. Takes one Catalyst to pop that. Easy profit. And uncloaked and usually at the 1st planet of the system. I get you *lol* |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:43:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Sisters lauchers have what to do with anything? Just think: covert ops frigate chilling in middle of nowhere and probably AFK. Takes one Catalyst to pop that. Easy profit.
We did catch a few cov ops trying to salvage our kills. Their salvage alone made it worth ganking them but after 9 of them died they stopped trying. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:48:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:And uncloaked and usually at the 1st planet of the system. I get you *lol*
Yeah, at 0km.
I don't understand griefers who wardec other corps for easy kills or possible profit. Easy kill. Check. Possible profit. Check.
They keep sayin' it's impossible. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:49:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:We did catch a few cov ops trying to salvage our kills. Their salvage alone made it worth ganking them but after 9 of them died they stopped trying. This was not his point. His point is that cov ops frigates, when they scan systems for sites are easy targets, too. Yet you do not see a wave of ganks against them. It is only aimed against miners and not for profit but for them sitting in expensive but weak ships.
You are thick as a brick, baltec. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
615
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:53:00 -
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Whitehound, easy fella... lets drink some more apple juice, get you dressed and then we can go to the store. You know what the doctor said would happen if you get to excited.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:00:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound, easy fella... lets drink some more apple juice, get you dressed and then we can go to the store. You know what the doctor said would happen if you get to excited. What? You are the one who gets excited here. You think I would not know why you post? |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:01:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Catching a covert ops frigate isn't impossible. No matter what you say.
Never said it was impossible, just that you will find way more untanked miners and haulers. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
615
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:09:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound, easy fella... lets drink some more apple juice, get you dressed and then we can go to the store. You know what the doctor said would happen if you get to excited. What? You are the one who gets excited here. You think I would not know why you post?
I don't know if you know, TBH. I just wanted to post builds that included a Hulk tank and tech II strip miners, along side decently tanked tech I industrial ships.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Never said it was impossible, just that you will find way more untanked miners and haulers.
So it's all about easy kills. No point on having multiple PLEXes in cargohold anymore... |
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