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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
587
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:34:00 -
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Since PVP knowledge alludes most miners (and greed seems to permeate all of you more then sensibility) I have elected to post a decent "Hulk Fit" for this age of EVE's evolution. ATM, do to hulkageddon, Minmatar's stupid high alpha and a blaster buff, everything is dieing in record numbers. Empire is no longer just "Not Safe" there are gankers online 23/7 in every market hub, and they will scan every ship and every shuttle as they fly by. If your mining in a hulk, unless you are in a deep dark system somewhere... some ganker is pretty much on his way.
So... Here is what a PVP guy has learned about mining in a fairly short amount of time.
The Tanked Hulk (that you should all be flying now)
Stats: 33,776 EHP Resists: 71.7 % EM, 85.8% Thermal, 83% Kinetic, 84% Explosive.
[Hulk, Tanked] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Commentary On Build
The resists in the Kin, Therm and explosive range is key. +80% puts this build's resistance right up there with a mission drake, only with 1/2 the EHP. That means ALLOT when you're taking volley hits before concord shows up. Trust me. Your yield is 1,695with Orca bonus, and 1,209 without. So minus two mining laser upgrades, you are losing only 200 per cycle without an orca, and 300 with one. Now if you do the math, yes that sucks a little bit... but the ISK you and your corporation saves in Hulks will equal itself out in the end.
As it turns out, you can do the same thing with Tech I Industrial ships as well. This version is an Iteron Mark V. Its resists are 75.9, 77.2, 72.8, 77.4. It has 26,724 EHP and a passive regen of 114
It can also still carry 15,545 M3's which is more then enough for most practical purposes.
[Iteron Mark V, Tank] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
[empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Truth be told, ganking in Empire may be getting out of hand when Jita becomes a practical no fly zone for freighters, industrials and ore ships. But that does not mean that you have to fly glass ships and except being fodder for the masses. There is a big diff between two idiots tearing you down with little not no effort while you're on auto pilot, and it requiring a small, coordinated fleet to do the same thing. You have been notified.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
587
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:37:00 -
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How about a Dominix that can carry 3,286 units? But still has the EHP of a Drake?
[Dominix, Industrial Domi] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
You can pretty much do this with any battleship or battlecruiser if you do not need to haul anything substantial at one time. Most gankers will not even bother scanning a domi named "Neut *****" when it's flying around.
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:39:00 -
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Where do scanner and MLU modules go? Or are you saying that they have been made obsolete by PvPers? |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
79
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:43:00 -
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Pretty much exactly what my answer to all the QQ has been all about has been a similar hulk fit, alternatively for the Discerning miner.
[Rokh, Mining] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II Co-Processor II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II Large Shield Extender II
Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Drone II x5
1284 Yield
133k EHP
Awesome
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
587
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:43:00 -
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You can do this, but I'd prefer having the higher thermal resists to stem blaster volleys myself.
Quote:[Hulk, Tanked] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Rock-Scanning Sensor Array I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
IMO Danny John-Peter's recommendation is crap because it requires either an Orca or can mining. The Hulk can at least stand alone as a decent mining ship pulling ore.
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Alara IonStorm
1977
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:44:00 -
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Wouldn't that Hulk Fit would be considered crap by PvP standards because it lacks the equivalent of Industrial Tackle (Sruvey Scanner) and Industrial Damage Mods (MLU).
It's not that Hulks can't tank, it's that they can't do anything else besides tank unlike PvP Ships that get a mix of everything do to generous fitting and slot layout.
Hulk lacks utility not tank. According to most it is expected to make sacrifices like PvP Ships yet I happen to use T2 Guns, EWAR, Tank, Tackle, Speed Mods and Dmg Mods on my PvP Ships. On a Hulk I have to go tank only? |
July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:44:00 -
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scanner goes on the Orca and the MLU stays at home, simple as that. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
587
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:45:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Wouldn't that Hulk Fit would be considered crap by PvP standards because it lacks the equivalent of Industrial Tackle (Sruvey Scanner) and Industrial Damage Mods (MLU).
It's not that Hulks can't tank, it's that they can't do anything else besides tank unlike PvP Ships that get a mix of everything do to generous fitting and slot layout.
Hulk lacks utility not tank. According to most it is expected to make sacrifices like PvP Ships yet I happen to use T2 Guns, EWAR, Tank, Tackle, Speed Mods and Dmg Mods on my PvP Ships at the same time. On a Hulk I have to go tank only?
So what you're saying is, you want more CPU and 1 or 2 more low slots? Not necessarily higher resists and more EHP on the base ship?
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:46:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:It's not that Hulks can't tank ... No, they cannot tank. It is the reason why we have these threads and the glorious EFT warrior fits. |
Alara IonStorm
1977
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:47:00 -
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July Oumis wrote:scanner goes on the Orca and the MLU stays at home, simple as that. What Orca?
Am I expected to need Alts or a group to mine like Incursions.
Should they buff Mining Rewards to the same level of Incursions.
Should Hurricane pilots have to leave there Gyro's at home. I got tackled by one once, should he have needed another ship to that. |
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:49:00 -
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July Oumis wrote:scanner goes on the Orca and the MLU stays at home, simple as that. Whose Orca? You mean the miners now shall dock their Hulk at their Orca, scan the belts and then lock on? How is this working?
And what do I do with cargo expanders and mining drone rigs? |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
587
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:49:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:It's not that Hulks can't tank ... No, they cannot tank. It is the reason why we have these threads and the glorious EFT warrior fits.
I assure you, this fit can tank. It can also mine pretty well with bonuses.
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July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:50:00 -
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When ther's more than one ship mentioned, some ppl think of alts. I may remind you, that we play an MMO game. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
587
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:50:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:July Oumis wrote:scanner goes on the Orca and the MLU stays at home, simple as that. What Orca? Am I expected to need Alts or a group to mine like Incursions. Should they buff Mining Rewards to the same level of Incursions. Should Hurricane pilots have to leave there Gyro's at home. I got tackled by one once, should he have needed another ship to that.
So what you're saying is, you want more CPU and 1 or 2 more low slots? Not necessarily higher resists and more EHP on the base ship?
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Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
79
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:50:00 -
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[Hulk, Less Tanked Hulk MLU] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
That has a MLU, and still has 24k EHP (26 if you OH the invuls, which of course you will because you will be in front of the Keyboad) |
Alara IonStorm
1977
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:51:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: So what you're saying is, you want more CPU and 1 or 2 more low slots? Not necessarily higher resists and more EHP on the base ship?
I would be happy to start flying a Hulk with just 25 Extra Grid and CPU.
[Hulk, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Medium Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
But hey throw in a few extra lows if you want. |
Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:52:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I assure you, this fit can tank. No. A Rokh can tank, this cannot. One neut and the tank is off. |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
54
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:53:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Wouldn't that Hulk Fit would be considered crap by PvP standards because it lacks the equivalent of Industrial Tackle (Sruvey Scanner) and Industrial Damage Mods (MLU). It's not crap, it's a max-tank fit. You also have the choice to go for a compromise: Damage Control and one MLU. Exactly as with a combat ship you can fit on a spectrum from "full tank, crap damage/yield" over "medium tank, medium damage/yield" to "no tank, max damage/yield".
If I fit my combat ship for max dps and no tank, I'm gambling that I won't be the primary. If you fit your hulk for all yield and no tank, you're gambling that you'll not meet gankers today. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:54:00 -
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I never suicided any ships, but my urge to skill a Toon for that purpose, rises by the minute reading all these whine threats about Hulks...
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
589
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:56:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I assure you, this fit can tank. No. A Rokh can tank, this cannot. One neut and the tank is off.
No, A Rohk can tank like a freakin beast. Better then most other non-capital ships in EVE. The hulk build that I posted still gets these resists when the Invuls are shut down by neuts: 59.6, 81.5, 75.7, 77.4 and a decent 25,320 EHP. The critical elements of high resists in the Kin, therm range are still there.
So you see, you do not know anything about PVP.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
589
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:57:00 -
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[Hulk, Tanked Passive] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II EM Ward Amplifier II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Passive tank. Resists: 70.9, 76.8, 82.6, 69.4 and 26,141 EHP.
Still not bad IMO.
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:58:00 -
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July Oumis wrote:I never suicided any ships, but my urge to skill a Toon for that purpose, rises by the minute reading all these whine threats about Hulks... It is spelled "whine threads", unless you do mean "whine threats". |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
589
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Posted - 2012.04.13 11:59:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:July Oumis wrote:I never suicided any ships, but my urge to skill a Toon for that purpose, rises by the minute reading all these whine threats about Hulks... It is spelled "whine threads", unless you do mean "whine threats".
Careful, correcting other people's grammer after losing an argument puts you at higher risk of receiving a "U mad bra?" No one likes receiving a U mad bra. Because... no matter how much you say that you're not mad... they know that you really are.
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:02:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:So you see, you do not know anything about PVP. Wrong, I do not know everything about PvP. I would however use EMP against a Hulk and I fail to see why you fit extra heat resistance onto it. |
Alara IonStorm
1977
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:04:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote: It's not crap, it's a max-tank fit. You also have the choice to go for a compromise: Damage Control and one MLU. Exactly as with a combat ship you can fit on a spectrum from "full tank, crap damage/yield" over "medium tank, medium damage/yield" to "no tank, max damage/yield".
There in lies the issue, you can not tank it without the max tank fit. A Medium Shield Extender and DCU take away the option for even one MLU. Unlike a combat Ship like a Hurricane where you can just throw on extenders, Dmg mods, tackle and top tier guns.
Terrorfrodo wrote: If I fit my combat ship for max dps and no tank, I'm gambling that I won't be the primary. If you fit your hulk for all yield and no tank, you're gambling that you'll not meet gankers today.
I fit mine with Tank, Tackle and DPS because most ships give me that option.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
589
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:04:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So you see, you do not know anything about PVP. Wrong, I do not know everything about PvP. I would however use EMP against a Hulk and I fail to see why you fit extra heat resistance onto it.
Kin,therm for blaster catalyst. If your argument is fit EM instead, go ahead. There is CPU to do so, have a party.
But that is now your real argument now is it?
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
995
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:04:00 -
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July Oumis wrote:Scanner goes on the Orca and the MLU stays at home, simple as that.
Since we cry about stuff: I want a 1000 DPS Tengu with 250k ehp... and please T2 fitted.
I'm sure you already enjoy paying your drake 45M when it was only 32M 3 months ago. I can't wait to see you post "OMAGAD ECONOMY SUCKS" when you'll have to start put buy orders at over 55M that will never be covered. Go ahead shoot on your own foot, I'm enjoying each little bit of what's happening and what will come sooner than latter.
I'm spending all my minerals on building a Titan-tears collector, those 8 low slots full of T3 cargo expanders that increase your cargo for 500% each, plus I added Capital T4 cargo rigs that increase your tears by 1000%
Can't wait |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
124
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:07:00 -
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if you mined in a group, in an area of space where you had good intel, you wouldn't have these issues. |
Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:10:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:But that is now your real argument now is it? You mean do I want to argue with a dodgy EFT warrior? Hell no. |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
54
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:13:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:I'm sure you already enjoy paying your drake 45M when it was only 32M 3 months ago. If prices go up, miners can tank their hulk properly and still earn a lot more ISK/hour than before with a paper hulk, so what's the problem?
There are only so many players willing and able to form dedicated ganking teams. Anyone can train two chars and gank solo whenever he feels like it. Even if you only need one more guy (=a second player) to kill a hulk, the number of gangs around at any one time that can do this will shrink drastically. Also, gangs are always easier to spot and avoid than single attackers. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
589
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:13:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:But that is now your real argument now is it? You mean do I want to argue with a dodgy EFT warrior? Hell no.
You keep claiming that, and yet the builds that are being present are very basic buffer + resists builds that work for every ship in EVE Online. The Hulk included. So you are wrong.
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:15:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:So you are wrong. No, you. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
590
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:16:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So you are wrong. No, you.
Now here is where you get the "U Mad" bra? Because saying the equivalent of "I know you but what am I" suggests that you are indeed mad.
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:17:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So you are wrong. No, you. Now here is where you get the "U Mad" bra? Because saying "I know you but what am I" suggests that you are indeed mad. No, you. |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
110
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:17:00 -
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Please everyone keep not listening to the guys advices. It will make killing you a lot easier. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
590
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:18:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So you are wrong. No, you. Now here is where you get the "U Mad" bra? Because saying "I know you but what am I" suggests that you are indeed mad. No, you.
LOL. Your Tippa's alt aren't you?
Tippa always resorts to "No You" when he loses an argument.
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:19:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So you are wrong. No, you. Now here is where you get the "U Mad" bra? Because saying "I know you but what am I" suggests that you are indeed mad. No, you. LOL. Your Tippa's alt aren't you? Tippa always resorts to "No You" when he loses an argument. No, you.
And Tippia is an alcoholic. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
661
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:26:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:So you are wrong. No, you. Now here is where you get the "U Mad" bra? Because saying "I know you but what am I" suggests that you are indeed mad. No, you. LOL. Your Tippa's alt aren't you? Tippa always resorts to "No You" when he loses an argument. At least Tippia uses proper debating terms and etiquette.
Anyway, I just use a max yield fit and stay aligned.
Doesn't work as well for ice mining... but I avoid that so I keep what sanity I still have. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
126
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:27:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: Spiraling argument
NO ME!!! |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
590
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:32:00 -
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Whitehound, lame.
If you don't have anything valid to add, stop posting in the thread and bow out with some dignity. If not, you get slapped with another, "oh yea... he def mad".
P.S.
Also, were are you getting your information from? Sounds like strait up slander regarding Tippa, from someone who is, you know... mad at something.
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:34:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound, lame.
If you don't have anything valid to add, stop posting in the thread and bow out with some dignity. If not, you get slapped with another, "oh yea... he def mad". No, you.
But I will bow out. The "No, you" trick is too old. A bit of wisdom though: when you think your fit speaks for itself then you should shut up. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
334
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:35:00 -
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Sorry if I'm late to the party, my take on the Rokh Miner:
[Rokh, Miner] Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Local Hull Conversion Expanded Cargo I Local Hull Conversion Expanded Cargo I Damage Control II
'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer Large Shield Extender II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II
Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Mining Drone II x5
Needs a 3% CPU implant.
With everything off it has 69.2/65.2/57.5/64.6 resists - 62K+ (eft) EHP. Everything on (cap stable @ 44%): 79/80.5/79.6/83 - 110K+ (eft) EHP. Overheated (2 mins, 40 seconds): 80.4/82.6/82.7/85.6 - 122K+ (eft) EHP.
cargo hold of 1168 m/3, yield of 1030/cycle w/drones.
Before links/augmentations/breakfast.
No, I don't mine... I just love Rokh's.....
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
661
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:35:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound, lame.
If you don't have anything valid to add, stop posting in the thread and bow out with some dignity. If not, you get slapped with another, "oh yea... he def mad". He usually does this.
Only thing he has going for him is that epic white beard. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
590
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:36:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound, lame.
If you don't have anything valid to add, stop posting in the thread and bow out with some dignity. If not, you get slapped with another, "oh yea... he def mad". No, you. But I will bow out. The "No, you" trick is too old.
Looks like someone forgot their medication that should not be taken in public. Thx for the bump!
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Alara IonStorm
1979
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:37:00 -
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Why is this train driving here?
The rails are waaay over there! ---->
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:42:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Looks like someone forgot their medication that should not be taken in public. Thx for the bump! Do not start talking about Tippia then.
I do not think a Hulk can tank. Your fit is still proof of it. You can respond to a million comments but your fit just does not speak for itself. |
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ISD Grossvogel
Community Communications Liaisons
57
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:43:00 -
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Smodab Ongalot
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
89
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:44:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Where do scanner ...
Scanner modules are worthless. Why are you using them?
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:46:00 -
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Smodab Ongalot wrote:Whitehound wrote:Where do scanner ... Scanner modules are worthless. Why are you using them? Because they are useful for finding full asteroids and to keep the mining yield up. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
255
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:47:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Looks like someone forgot their medication that should not be taken in public. Thx for the bump! Do not start talking about Tippia then. I do not think a Hulk can tank. Your fit is still proof of it. You can respond to a million comments but your fit just does not speak for itself. I also will not bow out now, since you keep coming. We can carry this to the bitter end. That is because you seem to not know some fundamental basics regarding PVP, buffer tanks and resists. Also, my commentary regarding a known forum troll's observable pattern of behavior, is no way similar to your RL accusations of alcoholism and pill popping.
I remember a painful thread where Whitehound got confused between missile and turret tracking. He isn't exactly a fount of Eve knowledge. |
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
590
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:48:00 -
[51] - Quote
Actually, I think Im done here. Back to GD!
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:50:00 -
[52] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Ok so, if you don't PVP and you don't seem to know much about mining either, what exactly do you do in game? Fly around in circles in mission rooms? If you mine an almost empty asteroid will you spend an entire 3 minutes on almost nothing. Does this not reduce my yield? |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
590
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:51:00 -
[53] - Quote
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 12:52:00 -
[54] - Quote
Gypsio III wrote:I remember a painful thread where Whitehound got confused between missile and turret tracking. He isn't exactly a fount of Eve knowledge. Nor are you. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
16
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:08:00 -
[55] - Quote
I'm not sure which threads are more tiresome: "omg mittens is satan" or "hulk needs the tank of a titan" threads. |
Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:12:00 -
[56] - Quote
Arkon Olacar wrote:I'm not sure which threads are more tiresome: "omg mittens is satan" or "hulk needs the tank of a titan" threads. None of them. It is the constant back and forth of useless arguments. Opinions are the best read. |
EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:12:00 -
[57] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Since PVP knowledge alludes most miners (and greed seems to permeate all of you more then sensibility) I have elected to post a decent "Hulk Fit" for this age of EVE's evolution. ATM, do to hulkageddon, Minmatar's stupid high alpha and a blaster buff, everything is dieing in record numbers. Empire is no longer just "Not Safe" there are gankers online 23/7 in every market hub, and they will scan every ship and every shuttle as they fly by. If your mining in a hulk, unless you are in a deep dark system somewhere... some ganker is pretty much on his way.
So... Here is what a PVP guy has learned about mining in a fairly short amount of time.
The Tanked Hulk (that you should all be flying now)
Stats: 33,776 EHP Resists: 71.7 % EM, 85.8% Thermal, 83% Kinetic, 84% Explosive.
[Hulk, Tanked] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
EFT is telling me with all skills at 5 this thing is over 2 pg. might be wrong
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Freundliches Feuer
Resistant Evil
4
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:17:00 -
[58] - Quote
Use a rattlesnake to mine if you want tank. Otherwise keep the tears flowin' |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
593
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:21:00 -
[59] - Quote
EFF ONEF1 wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Since PVP knowledge alludes most miners (and greed seems to permeate all of you more then sensibility) I have elected to post a decent "Hulk Fit" for this age of EVE's evolution. ATM, do to hulkageddon, Minmatar's stupid high alpha and a blaster buff, everything is dieing in record numbers. Empire is no longer just "Not Safe" there are gankers online 23/7 in every market hub, and they will scan every ship and every shuttle as they fly by. If your mining in a hulk, unless you are in a deep dark system somewhere... some ganker is pretty much on his way.
So... Here is what a PVP guy has learned about mining in a fairly short amount of time.
The Tanked Hulk (that you should all be flying now)
Stats: 33,776 EHP Resists: 71.7 % EM, 85.8% Thermal, 83% Kinetic, 84% Explosive.
[Hulk, Tanked] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
EFT is telling me with all skills at 5 this thing is over 2 pg. might be wrong
oops, I forgot about the implant My bad. It needs an Engineering EG-604. I assume no important mining implants go there?
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:22:00 -
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EFF ONEF1 wrote:EFT is telling me with all skills at 5 this thing is over 2 pg. might be wrong Could be, but there are other fits which do go up to around 25k eHP. Technically is it enough to withstand a gank by a destroyer. It does however destroy the diversity of fits when all slots of a ship need to be used to fit a tank. Usually only the mid- or the high-slots should be needed. This is not the case any more. |
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
593
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:28:00 -
[61] - Quote
Post fixed to include mention of the implant.
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EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:38:00 -
[62] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:EFF ONEF1 wrote:EFT is telling me with all skills at 5 this thing is over 2 pg. might be wrong Could be, but there are other fits which do go up to around 25k eHP. Technically is it enough to withstand a gank by a destroyer. It does however destroy the diversity of fits when all slots of a ship need to be used to fit a tank. Usually only the mid- or the high-slots should be needed. This is not the case any more.
Oh no i get you, i was just pointing out the fit and EFT.
If its enough to tank a dessy, they will bring more or bring bigger. There is really no way to fit yourself out of a gank is people want it to happen. The odd solo guy, sure.
im on the fence about the whole issue anyways.
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Whitehound
42
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Posted - 2012.04.13 13:58:00 -
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EFF ONEF1 wrote:im on the fence about the whole issue anyways. I hate the idea of mining and industrial ships needing to be the designated victims in a PvP game and I welcome those Hulk threads. I hate sitting in a mining ship and I only do it once every two weeks with friends in a fleet.
I have yet to see a good argument on how an increased tank, more speed or agility on all mining ships affects the game's balance. |
Ira Infernus
Praetorium Illegitimus The.Alliance
14
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:31:00 -
[64] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:EFF ONEF1 wrote:im on the fence about the whole issue anyways. I hate the idea of mining and industrial ships needing to be the designated victims in a PvP game and I welcome those Hulk threads. I hate sitting in a mining ship and I only do it once every two weeks with friends in a fleet. I have yet to see a good argument on how an increased tank, more speed or agility on all mining ships affects the game's balance.
I agree. The Industrials should not be made more tanky. There is a payoff; without the gankers in high sec, mining becomes a risk free endevaur. If the miners want a fairly risk free environment, they should do it in a rokh or a dominix, at least this way they are likely to get into a battleship at some point and perhaps try some level of combat. |
Ildryn
The Inf1dels GIANTSBANE.
41
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:58:00 -
[65] - Quote
This whine has been around for years. Tank your hulk or fly something else. The only person who gives a **** if you have a scanner is you. Mission runners don't know exactly what salvage/loot they are going to get by shooting at a ship. Hulks were meant for 0.0 roid reaping. Not immunity in highsec money making. Get into a covetor to keep your losses low or get in a battleship.
/thread |
Whitehound
46
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Posted - 2012.04.13 15:12:00 -
[66] - Quote
Ira Infernus wrote:I agree. The Industrials should not be made more tanky. There is a payoff; without the gankers in high sec, mining becomes a risk free endevaur. If the miners want a fairly risk free environment, they should do it in a rokh or a dominix, at least this way they are likely to get into a battleship at some point and perhaps try some level of combat. High-sec is not risk free. If one wants a fight then one can declare war or flip a can. Gankers simply operate at the border of what is allowed. I do not want to go there for an argument just to say what kind of a tank it needs, because one can gank anything. How would you come up with a number there? How could you use it to do the opposite and decrease a ship's tank? I find it hard to base any decisions on this alone. As long as mining ships do not pose a threat to other ships then they can have any size of tank. Too much tank on a Hulk can mean that it becomes a competitor to a T2 hauler. So there is a first, reasonable upper limit.
What else is there? |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
78
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Posted - 2012.04.13 16:27:00 -
[67] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:EFF ONEF1 wrote:EFT is telling me with all skills at 5 this thing is over 2 pg. might be wrong It does however destroy the diversity of fits when all slots of a ship need to be used to fit a tank. Usually only the mid- or the high-slots should be needed. This is not the case any more. Usually only the mid- or the high-slots should be needed when all slots of a ship need to be used to fit a tank or the high-slots fit a tank high-slotstank Just stop posting |
Fnedgar Winter
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:21:00 -
[68] - Quote
TheBlueMonkey wrote:if you mined in a group, in an area of space where you had good intel, you wouldn't have these issues.
Wow... Its that simple? Great. I'll get this all set up before tomorrow.
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Whitehound
49
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Posted - 2012.04.13 17:28:00 -
[69] - Quote
Copine Callmeknau wrote:Just stop posting Lead the way, troll. |
Mythra
La Mortis
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:55:00 -
[70] - Quote
Here is how you tank a mining Rokh with included orca stats are: 223k ehp 83.9 em 79.2 therm 84.4 kin 87 exp 1806 yield with 5% highwall implant without orca: 187k ehp 83.4 em 77.5 them 83.1 kin 85.9 exp 1404 yield with 5% highwall implant [Rokh, mining] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Damage Control II
EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Drone II x5
Tanked Orca 226k ehp 78.6 em 72.4 therm 79.3 kin 82.7 exp [Orca, New Setup 1] Capacitor Power Relay II Damage Control II
EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
These fits will put you comfortably into the freighter ehp zone if not over and thus greatly increasing the cost and effort to gank you. Now to truely be as gank resistant as possible you need to borrow or steal this from Chribba: [Revelation, Veldnaught] Damage Control II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Energized Armor Layering Membrane II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Siege Module II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II |
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corpalt
Alternative solution inc
2
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:29:00 -
[71] - Quote
mines 1177 m3/m Stats: 33,776 EHP Resists: 71.7 % EM, 85.8% Thermal, 83% Kinetic, 84% Explosive.
[Hulk, Tanked] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
mines 1354 with included orca stats are: 223k ehp 83.9 em 79.2 therm 84.4 kin 87 exp 1806 yield with 5% highwall implant without orca: 187k ehp 83.4 em 77.5 them 83.1 kin 85.9 exp 1404 yield with 5% highwall implant [Rokh, mining] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Damage Control II
EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
why are we still using hulks at all when only full fail tank fit hulk can out mine a huge tanked rokh a "combat" battleship (plus the rokh is insurable ) |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
599
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:37:00 -
[72] - Quote
corpalt wrote: why are we still using hulks at all when only full fail tank fit hulk can out mine a huge tanked rokh a "combat" battleship (plus the rokh is insurable )
A wild guess might be the massive cargo space of a hulk, not requiring an orca to be present all the time to drop off it's ore. Stuff in EFT is not the same as real stuff in game (TM)
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corpalt
Alternative solution inc
2
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:40:00 -
[73] - Quote
because a jetcan is so hard? i still use it over the orca hold |
Whitehound
53
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:42:00 -
[74] - Quote
corpalt wrote:because a jetcan is so hard? i still use it over the orca hold Which system? |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:09:00 -
[75] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:You can do this, but I'd prefer having the higher thermal resists to stem blaster volleys myself. Quote:[Hulk, Tanked] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Rock-Scanning Sensor Array I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I IMO Danny John-Peter's recommendation is crap because it requires either an Orca or can mining. The Hulk can at least stand alone as a decent mining ship pulling ore.
Cause like, having an Iteron V or Mammoth to haul ore is.... well actually you aren't doing that with a Hulk? Just warping back every time you are full?
Seriously? |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:10:00 -
[76] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Since PVP knowledge alludes most miners (and greed seems to permeate all of you more then sensibility) I have elected to post a decent "Hulk Fit" for this age of EVE's evolution. ATM, do to hulkageddon, Minmatar's stupid high alpha and a blaster buff, everything is dieing in record numbers. Empire is no longer just "Not Safe" there are gankers online 23/7 in every market hub, and they will scan every ship and every shuttle as they fly by. If your mining in a hulk, unless you are in a deep dark system somewhere... some ganker is pretty much on his way. So... Here is what a PVP guy has learned about mining in a fairly short amount of time. The Tanked Hulk (that you should all be flying now)(Requires a Engineering EG-604 implant) Stats: 33,776 EHP Resists: 71.7 % EM, 85.8% Thermal, 83% Kinetic, 84% Explosive. [Hulk, Tanked] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Commentary On BuildThe resists in the Kin, Therm and explosive range is key. +80% puts this build's resistance right up there with a mission drake, only with 1/2 the EHP. That means ALLOT when you're taking volley hits before concord shows up. Trust me. Your yield is 1,695with Orca bonus, and 1,209 without. So minus two mining laser upgrades, you are losing only 200 per cycle without an orca, and 300 with one. Now if you do the math, yes that sucks a little bit... but the ISK you and your corporation saves in Hulks will equal itself out in the end. As it turns out, you can do the same thing with Tech I Industrial ships as well. This version is an Iteron Mark V. Its resists are 75.9, 77.2, 72.8, 77.4. It has 26,724 EHP and a passive regen of 114 It can also still carry 15,545 M3's which is more then enough for most practical purposes. [Iteron Mark V, Tank] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Truth be told, ganking in Empire may be getting out of hand when Jita becomes a practical no fly zone for freighters, industrials and ore ships. But that does not mean that you have to fly glass ships and except being fodder for the masses. There is a big diff between two idiots tearing you down with little not no effort while you're on auto pilot, and it requiring a small, coordinated fleet to do the same thing. You have been notified.
4 Catalysts will kill it in most cases.
One person could do this with four accounts, though I admit that is a little bit to many accounts for most players.
Two guys with more than one account each gank it long time. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
171
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:26:00 -
[77] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote: Commentary On Build
The resists in the Kin, Therm and explosive range is key. +80% puts this build's resistance right up there with a mission drake, only with 1/2 the EHP. That means ALLOT when you're taking volley hits before concord shows up. Trust me. Your yield is 1,695with Orca bonus, and 1,209 without. So minus two mining laser upgrades, you are losing only 200 per cycle without an orca, and 300 with one. Now if you do the math, yes that sucks a little bit... but the ISK you and your corporation saves in Hulks will equal itself out in the end.
Losing around 10% yield is for most carebear miners unacceptable. Seriously, they are the worst min-maxers possible. Why do you think mining implants are among the most expensive implants in the game?
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
599
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:45:00 -
[78] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
4 Catalysts will kill it in most cases.
No one said otherwise. Needing 4 however is a bit different then needing only one.
Tobiaz wrote: Losing around 10% yield is for most carebear miners unacceptable. Seriously, they are the worst min-maxers possible. Why do you think mining implants are among the most expensive implants in the game?
I know. Alliance leadership taught me that miners are among the most cut throat, greedy little ***** in the game. But it does not mean that a tanked hulk is not the better way to go at this juncture of eve's development.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
599
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Posted - 2012.04.13 22:51:00 -
[79] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote: IMO Danny John-Peter's recommendation is crap because it requires either an Orca or can mining. The Hulk can at least stand alone as a decent mining ship pulling ore.
Cause like, having an Iteron V or Mammoth to haul ore is.... well actually you aren't doing that with a Hulk? Just warping back every time you are full?
Seriously?
There is a difference between being totally at keyboard, totally AFK and mostly at Keyboard. A 8,000 M3 cargo hold allows miners to be mostly at keyboard, not forcing them to click, drag and drop as constantly and robotically. The three minute cycle rate also helps provide a more casual mining experience.
I don't mine, and yet I can appreciate this fact. So what is your malfunction, bra?
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Whitehound
54
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Posted - 2012.04.13 23:07:00 -
[80] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I don't mine, and yet I can appreciate this fact. Which means you lack the experience.
EFT warrior is EFT warrior. |
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
599
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Posted - 2012.04.13 23:37:00 -
[81] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I don't mine, and yet I can appreciate this fact. Which means you lack the experience. EFT warrior is EFT warrior.
And yet I have significant experience tanking and breaking tanks, which is what this OP was about.
From henceforth the Whitehound toon will always be the white bearded senile man of of Eve online forums, in my eyes. You really left an impression today
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Katalci
Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp
51
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Posted - 2012.04.15 00:02:00 -
[82] - Quote
guys if I fit a brick tank I lose the ability to do other things this is unbalanced |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
604
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Posted - 2012.04.15 00:07:00 -
[83] - Quote
Katalci wrote:guys if I fit a brick tank I lose the ability to do other things this is unbalanced
Not really, because if I fit a brick tank I lose the ability to do other things too. Be it in a mission room or in PVP. Alternatively, if I fit to little tank I am just as ineffective in the performance of those same tasks. Eve is about give and take, and evidently, so is mining.
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
145
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Posted - 2012.04.15 02:11:00 -
[84] - Quote
July Oumis wrote:When ther's more than one ship mentioned, some ppl think of alts. I may remind you, that we play an MMO game. And I may remind you, that noone will ever be willing to sit around for hours doing nothing.
Forming a fleet to protect miners or haul for miners without earning ISK (or FAR less then when flying level 2 missions) is a nice dream. But not more. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
99
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:44:00 -
[85] - Quote
Ira Infernus wrote:Whitehound wrote:EFF ONEF1 wrote:im on the fence about the whole issue anyways. I hate the idea of mining and industrial ships needing to be the designated victims in a PvP game and I welcome those Hulk threads. I hate sitting in a mining ship and I only do it once every two weeks with friends in a fleet. I have yet to see a good argument on how an increased tank, more speed or agility on all mining ships affects the game's balance. I agree. The Industrials should not be made more tanky. There is a payoff; without the gankers in high sec, mining becomes a risk free endevaur. If the miners want a fairly risk free environment, they should do it in a rokh or a dominix, at least this way they are likely to get into a battleship at some point and perhaps try some level of combat.
And my AFK-domi running lvl 4's isn't risk free or incursions with a proper fleet ? Are we playing the same game here ? You do realize that you need millions (8) of units of veld for just one battleship. It's not like your going mine it in an hour by your self and that itty with 15k cargo oh really, Gee I can almost squeeze in all the ore for single BS in that thing oh my how lucky I am ?
This is a sandbox and if someone likes sitting at the belt for hours then they should be allowed to do it, also bear in mid that mining does not bring any isk to the economy what so ever bounties made by you so called HC-PvP types however do.
But what you all fear is that the ISK you lose in ganks just pads in the pockets of the miners in the end, don't you ? |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
612
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Posted - 2012.04.15 14:43:00 -
[86] - Quote
Baneken wrote:This is a sandbox and if someone likes sitting at the belt for hours then they should be allowed to do it
I don't think anyone here has said otherwise, have they? This thread is merely advocating a tank while you do it.
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baltec1
1093
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Posted - 2012.04.15 16:50:00 -
[87] - Quote
If people put even a 15k tank on their stuff BATs would not have been able to do a month long interdiction of caladri space and kill 707 exhumers. |
Devil tiger
1
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:01:00 -
[88] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:If people put even a 15k tank on their stuff BATs would not have been able to do a month long interdiction of caladri space and kill 707 exhumers.
Hah even a 150k tank on them wouldn't have been enough with the numbers the gankers can bring.
If they can suicide tank a Freighter in Jita they most assuredly can do so to Hulks. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
418
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:42:00 -
[89] - Quote
Devil tiger wrote:baltec1 wrote:If people put even a 15k tank on their stuff BATs would not have been able to do a month long interdiction of caladri space and kill 707 exhumers. Hah even a 150k tank on them wouldn't have been enough with the numbers the gankers can bring. If they can suicide tank a Freighter in Jita they most assuredly can do so to Hulks. Yeah, vote for invulnerability and for decshielding every day. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
baltec1
1098
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Posted - 2012.04.16 08:53:00 -
[90] - Quote
Devil tiger wrote:
Hah even a 150k tank on them wouldn't have been enough with the numbers the gankers can bring.
If they can suicide tank a Freighter in Jita they most assuredly can do so to Hulks.
In order to kill all of those ships we had to at least break even on every kill. If we had to use a tornado on every ship we would have run out of isk before we hit 100. The vast bulk get killed by destroyers, the nados only come out for special events. The one and only reason so many hulks die is because people fail to put even the most basic of tanks on their ship. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3348
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:01:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Wouldn't that Hulk Fit would be considered crap by PvP standards because it lacks the equivalent of Industrial Tackle (Sruvey Scanner) and Industrial Damage Mods (MLU).
It's not that Hulks can't tank, it's that they can't do anything else besides tank unlike PvP Ships that get a mix of everything do to generous fitting and slot layout.
Hulk lacks utility not tank. According to most it is expected to make sacrifices like PvP Ships yet I happen to use T2 Guns, EWAR, Tank, Tackle, Speed Mods and Dmg Mods on my PvP Ships at the same time. On a Hulk I have to go tank only?
Many PvP fits don't include tackle or speed mods, and are just tank/DPS. Fleet battleships/battlecruisers spring to mind immediately. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3348
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:19:00 -
[92] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I don't mine, and yet I can appreciate this fact. Which means you lack the experience. EFT warrior is EFT warrior.
I have mined, and I do have the experience. ET's fit is almost exactly the same as the one I posted a few days ago (I used an EM resist amp because IMO Tornados are a much greater threat to a tanked Hulk than Catalysts, and RF EMP L is the ammo to beat ) and so I strongly endorse it.
Of course, since 0.0 is actually safer than hi-sec (or so I'm constantly being told) it would be even more sensible for Hulk pilots to relocate to nullsec and enjoy far greater ore availability, as well as that greater safety. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Alara IonStorm
1992
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:46:00 -
[93] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: Many PvP fits don't include tackle or speed mods, and are just tank/DPS. Fleet battleships/battlecruisers spring to mind immediately.
Yes they do however mix Tank and Damage Mods like the Miners MLU. Sure in a fleet with Orca Support you can have it Scan for you and haul for you like tacklers and logi support Combat Fleet Ships. Like a combat ship tank and damage are important.
Most of those fleet ships like the Mael, Drake, Cane, Tengu, ect do fit tackle tank and utility when solo or in small gangs as well. The Hulk being the top Miner should be able to operate solo and in fleets effectively or they should come up with new ships that do.
I am not so interested in boosting the Hulks Tanking potential as others have shown it can pull an effective tank. I just don't think meta 4 Med Extenders and Fitting Mods should be the standard for the T2 Top of the Mining food chain to do it.
[Hulk, Tanky] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
I honestly think that if this is what a tanky hulk looked like more people would fit it along these lines. Sacrifices can be made in the area's of rigs like Cargo Opts or the DCU II for a second MLU. Like this.
[Hulk, Hungry] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
When talking about the top Mining Ship that is T2 that is some pretty basic utility above and not really out of line or outrageous. This kind of Utility in fitting should come standard for any T2 Ship. |
Whitehound
96
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:49:00 -
[94] - Quote
I do not care what you have. I do mine, too, on a given occasion and I will not sit in a ship worth 500m ISK and a thin tank while it is the most priced target to every ganker in EVE. It is because of its tank and price tag. If you do not get this then you are just as stupid like the rest of them who desperately hold on to the supertanked Hulk. People like you deserve Hulkageddon so you can snap out of your despair eventually. There is no other way to put it.
Let me ask you, did you not yet notice how miners are being treated? They not just get ganked, they get their cans flipped, they get bumped and threatened and laugh at on a daily basis. The miners are being treated like arseholes. If you do not see this and if this does not make you want a better mining ship then one cannot help you! |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:54:00 -
[95] - Quote
What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs. |
Whitehound
97
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Posted - 2012.04.16 10:58:00 -
[96] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs. No, it is just you who has forgotten that most ships get bonuses to their role. A few do not, which are ... |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:00:00 -
[97] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:baltec1 wrote:What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs. No, it is just you who has forgotten that most ships get bonuses to their role. A few do not, which are ...
Few combat ships get a double damage bonus and a good resist bonus. Also dont kind yourself, mission runners and haulers get attacked just as much as miners do. |
Whitehound
97
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:02:00 -
[98] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Few combat ships get a double damage bounus and a good resist bonus. Also dont kind yourself, mission runners and haulers get attacked you as much as miners do. Do you want to give strip miners more tracking or more fall-off?
Mission runners get ganked for faction and officer fits. Haulers get ganked for their cargo. Miners get ganked for being pathetic. |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:04:00 -
[99] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:baltec1 wrote:Few combat ships get a double damage bounus and a good resist bonus. Also dont kind yourself, mission runners and haulers get attacked you as much as miners do. Do you want to give strip miners more tracking or more fall-off?
How about more range, less cap use or better rof? |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:08:00 -
[100] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs.
Mael and Cyclone both have built-in shield boosters! No need to use shield booster module! Buy now! Only (over) 9000 AUR. |
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baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:10:00 -
[101] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs. Mael and Cyclone both have built-in shield boosters! No need to use shield booster module! Buy now!
Thats like saying lets not fit mining lasers to a hulk. Try to think these things through and not make yourself look even more idiotic... |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:15:00 -
[102] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Thats like saying lets not fit mining lasers to a hulk. Try to think these things through and not make yourself look even more idiotic...
Do you remember what you posted earlier? Let me help you a bit.
baltec1 wrote:What people seem to forget is the hulk comes with two yeild bonuses already so it effectivly has two built in MLUs.
You try to say that Hulk doesn't need MLUs because it already has two bonuses boosting mining yield. |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:15:00 -
[103] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:
Mission runners get ganked for faction and officer fits. Haulers get ganked for their cargo. Miners get ganked for being pathetic.
Most miners get ganked by destroyers for profit. |
Whitehound
97
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:16:00 -
[104] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Whitehound wrote:baltec1 wrote:Few combat ships get a double damage bounus and a good resist bonus. Also dont kind yourself, mission runners and haulers get attacked you as much as miners do. Do you want to give strip miners more tracking or more fall-off? How about more range, less cap use or better rof? Why the question? Sure. I personally think that exhumers have a really stupid design. Retriever and Covetor only have one mid-slot and CCP not only gave the exhumers more resistances but slapped 3 additional mid-slots on so one can fit even more resistances on. There is little else to fit into the mids, which makes sense. This was super creative by CCP. In the same light do I see the extra yield bonus. It is just moar. I would say they had little ideas on what an exhumer should be like when they created them. |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:21:00 -
[105] - Quote
Whitehound wrote: Why the question? Sure. I personally think that exhumers have a really stupid design. Retriever and Covetor only have one mid-slot and CCP not only gave the exhumers more resistances but slapped 3 additional mid-slots on so one can fit even more resistances on. There is little else to fit into the mids, which makes sense. This was super creative by CCP. In the same light do I see the extra yield bonus. It is just moar. I would say they had little ideas on what an exhumer should be like when they created them.
A better, tankier, more efficient covetor is what they went for and its exactly what we got. |
Whitehound
97
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:27:00 -
[106] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:A better, tankier, more efficient covetor is what they went for and its exactly what we got. And your point now is you are being as pathetic as before? |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:27:00 -
[107] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Most miners get ganked by destroyers for profit.
Profit? Didn't know T2 shield modules are more expensive than Sister's launchers. |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:28:00 -
[108] - Quote
Whitehound wrote: And your point now is you are being as pathetic as before?
If buy posting facts that you cannot counter then yes, I am posting facts you cannot counter. |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:30:00 -
[109] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Most miners get ganked by destroyers for profit. Profit? Didn't know T2 shield modules are more expensive than Sister's launchers.
Sisters lauchers have what to do with anything?
Its rather simple, kill the hulk, scoop the loot from both ships, salvage both ships and walk away with a good few mil in profit. The more t2 stip miners drop the better. Also scoop the ore. |
Whitehound
97
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:36:00 -
[110] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:If buy posting facts that you cannot counter then yes, I am posting facts you cannot counter. I am not countering your facts. We all know the state the ships are in. I am say you are being pathetic for holding on to it. |
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:37:00 -
[111] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Sisters lauchers have what to do with anything?
Just think: covert ops frigate chilling in middle of nowhere and probably AFK. Takes one Catalyst to pop that. Easy profit. |
Whitehound
97
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:39:00 -
[112] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Sisters lauchers have what to do with anything? Just think: covert ops frigate chilling in middle of nowhere and probably AFK. Takes one Catalyst to pop that. Easy profit. And uncloaked and usually at the 1st planet of the system. I get you *lol* |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:43:00 -
[113] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Sisters lauchers have what to do with anything? Just think: covert ops frigate chilling in middle of nowhere and probably AFK. Takes one Catalyst to pop that. Easy profit.
We did catch a few cov ops trying to salvage our kills. Their salvage alone made it worth ganking them but after 9 of them died they stopped trying. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:48:00 -
[114] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:And uncloaked and usually at the 1st planet of the system. I get you *lol*
Yeah, at 0km.
I don't understand griefers who wardec other corps for easy kills or possible profit. Easy kill. Check. Possible profit. Check.
They keep sayin' it's impossible. |
Whitehound
97
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:49:00 -
[115] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:We did catch a few cov ops trying to salvage our kills. Their salvage alone made it worth ganking them but after 9 of them died they stopped trying. This was not his point. His point is that cov ops frigates, when they scan systems for sites are easy targets, too. Yet you do not see a wave of ganks against them. It is only aimed against miners and not for profit but for them sitting in expensive but weak ships.
You are thick as a brick, baltec. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
615
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:53:00 -
[116] - Quote
Whitehound, easy fella... lets drink some more apple juice, get you dressed and then we can go to the store. You know what the doctor said would happen if you get to excited.
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Whitehound
97
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:00:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound, easy fella... lets drink some more apple juice, get you dressed and then we can go to the store. You know what the doctor said would happen if you get to excited. What? You are the one who gets excited here. You think I would not know why you post? |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:01:00 -
[118] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Catching a covert ops frigate isn't impossible. No matter what you say.
Never said it was impossible, just that you will find way more untanked miners and haulers. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
615
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:09:00 -
[119] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whitehound, easy fella... lets drink some more apple juice, get you dressed and then we can go to the store. You know what the doctor said would happen if you get to excited. What? You are the one who gets excited here. You think I would not know why you post?
I don't know if you know, TBH. I just wanted to post builds that included a Hulk tank and tech II strip miners, along side decently tanked tech I industrial ships.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:16:00 -
[120] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Never said it was impossible, just that you will find way more untanked miners and haulers.
So it's all about easy kills. No point on having multiple PLEXes in cargohold anymore... |
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Whitehound
97
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:26:00 -
[121] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I don't know if you know, TBH. I just wanted to post builds that included a Hulk tank and tech II strip miners, along side decently tanked tech I industrial ships. And I just want to say how pathetic it is. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
615
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:38:00 -
[122] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I don't know if you know, TBH. I just wanted to post builds that included a Hulk tank and tech II strip miners, along side decently tanked tech I industrial ships. And I just want to say how pathetic it is.
9 years of collective PVP knowledge regarding resists and buffer tanks, compiled by thousands of players for nearly a decade, is far from pathetic. Now, if you had bothered to ask I might have told you that I think the Hulk could use a small buff in CPU, or a little more PG, or perhaps another low slot.
But that does not change the fact that the builds posted in the OP are pretty decent tanks, and are far superior to a glass-fragile-next-to-zero-ehp Tech-2-expensive oreship. So as I have said before, you seem like the Senile old man of the EVE forums. What is funny, is that you are gleefully unaware of how dense and stupid you represent yourself.
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malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
19
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Posted - 2012.04.16 12:46:00 -
[123] - Quote
Whitehound wrote: And I just want to say how pathetic it is.
Actually no it's not.
You might not like where the Hulk is right now, but you have to choose the tools you have at this moment in time to survive or die. CCP might balance the Hulk one day. Until that time, the advice given is quite correct. Which is more tank = better survivabilty.
No point arguing the fact that the hulk needs a buff, in a thread about how to survive ganks with the tools at your disposal, even if it is not to your liking.
o7 |
Whitehound
97
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Posted - 2012.04.16 13:02:00 -
[124] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:You might not like where the Hulk is right now, but you have to choose the tools you have at this moment in time to survive or die. CCP might balance the Hulk one day. Until that time, the advice given is quite correct. Which is more tank = better survivabilty.
No point arguing the fact that the hulk needs a buff, in a thread about how to survive ganks with the tools at your disposal, even if it is not to your liking.
o7 Nonsense. One does not have to choose to sit in crappy mining ships.
Because you think you do do you get ganked and you deserve it. You cannot be helped. You are just as pathetic. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
20
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Posted - 2012.04.16 13:11:00 -
[125] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:You might not like where the Hulk is right now, but you have to choose the tools you have at this moment in time to survive or die. CCP might balance the Hulk one day. Until that time, the advice given is quite correct. Which is more tank = better survivabilty.
No point arguing the fact that the hulk needs a buff, in a thread about how to survive ganks with the tools at your disposal, even if it is not to your liking.
o7 Nonsense. One does not have to choose to sit in crappy mining ships. Because you think you do do you get ganked and you deserve it. You cannot be helped. You are just as pathetic.
Seriously dude. Nobody is actually telling you what to do. Just giving advice, and sound advice at that. We all know you think Hulks need a buff, But until the day that buff happens, you have to use the tools at your disposal. Can't you see that?
It is a solution against gankers for now.
Also I'd like to remind you, that I have always tried to post as politely as I can. So keep a civil tongue in your head when replying to me. I am not asking you. |
Whitehound
97
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Posted - 2012.04.16 13:15:00 -
[126] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:Seriously dude. Nobody is actually telling you what to do ... No, you do tell people what to do when you say they have to choose. You just do not get it and now you whine how uncivil I am. You are pathetic. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
20
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Posted - 2012.04.16 13:35:00 -
[127] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Seriously dude. Nobody is actually telling you what to do ... No, you do tell people what to do when you say they have to choose. You just do get it and now you whine how uncivil I am. You are pathetic.
As long as I have been a Hulk pilot, I have always had that choice. Yield / survivabilty. In the current ganking climate, you still have that choice.
This is the important bit
Until CCP decides to buff the hulk. Tanking your hulk is sound advice in the current ganking climate.
Now I'll tell you. With my setup I mine 10,050 m3 every 2 minutes. Thats Tanking. I have always tanked my hulk. Now if I was to go for maximum yield i would get 10,750,
Using veldspar as a source. Thats a WHOPPING 4 mill an hour I lose. Thats over 75 hours hours of mining for a hulk. In other words you got 75 hours of mining before, going for yield, you can afford to lose the hulk.
I know which method I prefer, and feel more safer with.
You call us pathetic. When you are the one whining about buffs in a fitting advice thread. Ironic at it's finest
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Whitehound
97
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Posted - 2012.04.16 13:45:00 -
[128] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:You call us pathetic. When you are the one whining about buffs in a fitting advice thread. Ironic at it's finest No, I am only calling you and the mining ships pathetic. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
20
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Posted - 2012.04.16 13:52:00 -
[129] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:You call us pathetic. When you are the one whining about buffs in a fitting advice thread. Ironic at it's finest YES, I am only calling myself and the mining ships pathetic.
fix'd
The gankers must have touched you long and hard, for your tears to be able blind you to common sense.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.04.16 13:55:00 -
[130] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:It is a solution against gankers for now.
It's not a solution. Every ship in this game can and will be ganked.
Rifters can destroy a titan. You just have to bring enough Rifters to do it. |
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malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
20
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Posted - 2012.04.16 14:09:00 -
[131] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:It is a solution against gankers for now. It's not a solution. Every ship in this game can and will be ganked. Rifters can destroy a titan. You just have to bring enough Rifters to do it.
We already know this. There is a huge difference though between needing 1 destroyer and 4-8 destroyers to gank a Hulk. At the moment, you have a ship, that can be ganked by 1 destroyer. UNTIL that changes, You have the tools available to increase that to upto and beyond 8 destroyers(maybe), Which IMO is acceptable
This is why tanking your Hulk is sound advice. I don't care that the Hulk needs a buff. That arguement is in another thread.
You still have the choice to go for Maximum yield. In doing so you increase the chances of being successfully ganked. This thread is all about the here and now, NOT what ifs, and buts about when, or if a buff is given.
o7 |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.04.16 14:22:00 -
[132] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:At the moment, you have a ship, that can be ganked by 1 destroyer.
Sorry, but that's not my ship. |
Whitehound
98
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Posted - 2012.04.16 14:40:00 -
[133] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:This is why tanking your Hulk is sound advice. No, it is not. It gives people hope where there is none. If you do not dock up or mine in 0.8-1.0 systems then your Hulk will get eaten. 30k-35k eHP is nothing. Some will even take your fit and use faction gear for it, thinking it will make it better. The use of the word super and to think it describes a tank only makes me laugh each time I think about how ridiculously successful Hulkageddon is. But, please, stay where you are. Some think they are too good for running away.
It even happens during war when bombs are dropping. Some then just look into the sky and are all upset about it when they should have just ran as fast as they could. |
Griznatch
Xicron Syndicate Tus Network
98
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Posted - 2012.04.16 14:41:00 -
[134] - Quote
Chribba mines in dread that has never been ganked. Coincidence? I think not. I used to have a clever sig but I lost it. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 14:56:00 -
[135] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:I'm sure you already enjoy paying your drake 45M when it was only 32M 3 months ago. If prices go up, miners can tank their hulk properly and still earn a lot more ISK/hour than before with a paper hulk, so what's the problem? There are only so many players willing and able to form dedicated ganking teams. Anyone can train two chars and gank solo whenever he feels like it. Even if you only need one more guy (=a second player) to kill a hulk, the number of gangs around at any one time that can do this will shrink drastically. Also, gangs are always easier to spot and avoid than single attackers.
A full T2 miners Rokh gets a better yeld than your stupid T2 mining barge fitted like a pvp ship that just became another useless item and skill in the game because some players decided so, add it to the list.
Then you come with isk per hour argument just after tank argument and now everything is just down the toilets just because isk per hour and mining activity/ships are a total joke.
Final word is, buy plex (oups to aurum) and win. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
20
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:12:00 -
[136] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:[quote=malcovas Henderson]This is why tanking your Hulk is sound advice.[/quote No, it is not. It gives people hope where there is none. If you do not dock up or mine in 0.8-1.0 systems then your Hulk will get eaten. 30k-35k eHP is nothing. Some will even take your fit and use faction gear for it, thinking it will make it better. The use of the word super and to think it describes a tank only makes me laugh each time I think about how ridiculously successful Hulkageddon is. But, please, stay where you are. Some think they are too good for running away It even happens during war when bombs are dropping. Some then just look into the sky and are all upset about it when they should have just ran as fast as they could.
Being ganked by several ships is totally acceptable. be they Frigates or Destroyers. Hell if you bring enough even Badgers. To tank the Hulk, will mean the ganker needing more ships to make the gank successful. If he brings 4 and you can survive 6. He will lose his ships in the gank, without gaining anything. Hell you can even loot his ships for your gain.
I can max yield with 16k tank. thats not a lot, but it stops the solo ganker,(maybe). It is your choice, and only your choice, how you fit your hulk. Yes it does give hope. I hope by tanking my hulk, It survives a gank. A more serious gank would certainly put my Hulk in jeopardy, But the more I tank the more serious the gank has to be. You could have 1 million EHP, but if enough ships where in the gank, you still lose the ship. I use T2 with Orca buff's. I still use 1 MLU II. That is my decision. My choice. It also will stop( I hope) the random lolz gank, by a solo, or double ganker.
There is nothing stopping you from running away too. There are ways for Insta warping out, but then your max yield just took a nose dive. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:29:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Whitehound wrote:[quote=malcovas Henderson]This is why tanking your Hulk is sound advice.[/quote No, it is not. It gives people hope where there is none. If you do not dock up or mine in 0.8-1.0 systems then your Hulk will get eaten. 30k-35k eHP is nothing. Some will even take your fit and use faction gear for it, thinking it will make it better. The use of the word super and to think it describes a tank only makes me laugh each time I think about how ridiculously successful Hulkageddon is. But, please, stay where you are. Some think they are too good for running away It even happens during war when bombs are dropping. Some then just look into the sky and are all upset about it when they should have just ran as fast as they could. Being ganked by several ships is totally acceptable. be they Frigates or Destroyers. Hell if you bring enough even Badgers. To tank the Hulk, will mean the ganker needing more ships to make the gank successful. If he brings 4 and you can survive 6. He will lose his ships in the gank, without gaining anything. Hell you can even loot his ships for your gain. I can max yield with 16k tank. thats not a lot, but it stops the solo ganker,(maybe). It is your choice, and only your choice, how you fit your hulk. Yes it does give hope. I hope by tanking my hulk, It survives a gank. A more serious gank would certainly put my Hulk in jeopardy, But the more I tank the more serious the gank has to be. You could have 1 million EHP, but if enough ships where in the gank, you still lose the ship. I use T2 with Orca buff's. I still use 1 MLU II. That is my decision. My choice. It also will stop( I hope) the random lolz gank, by a solo, or double ganker. There is nothing stopping you from running away too. There are ways for Insta warping out, but then your max yield just took a nose dive.
What you fail to understand is that gank hulks and mining barges is not compatible with isk/h argument or gank for profit because transport industrials will give you the best isk/h rate. Gank mining barges is just grieffing players because you can, now for tank argument let me advise you to fit a full T2 miners Rokh and you'll get a better yeld than the stupid hulk fit supposed to tank.
Nice stuff.
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Whitehound
98
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:35:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote: Being ganked by several ships is totally acceptable. be they Frigates or Destroyers. Hell if you bring enough even Badgers. To tank the Hulk, will mean the ganker needing more ships to make the gank successful. If he brings 4 and you can survive 6. He will lose his ships in the gank, without gaining anything. Hell you can even loot his ships for your gain. ... No, it is not acceptable, but you are being stubborn to think otherwise. A loss of a 500m ISK Hulk during Hulkageddon is only acceptable to gankers and for no one else. And stop making me laugh. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
20
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:40:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:
What you fail to understand is that gank hulks and mining barges is not compatible with isk/h argument or gank for profit because transport industrials will give you the best isk/h rate. Gank mining barges is just grieffing players because you can, now for tank argument let me advise you to fit a full T2 miners Rokh and you'll get a better yeld than the stupid hulk fit supposed to tank.
Nice stuff.
Not everyone can fly a Rokh. You will also need a hauler, for it. Else you have the added risk of can flippers. Not everyone has that advantage.
The bit about Haulers and isk / hr, I must confess that I do not know what you are trying to say.
o7 |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
20
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:41:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote: Being ganked by several ships is totally acceptable. be they Frigates or Destroyers. Hell if you bring enough even Badgers. To tank the Hulk, will mean the ganker needing more ships to make the gank successful. If he brings 4 and you can survive 6. He will lose his ships in the gank, without gaining anything. Hell you can even loot his ships for your gain. ... No, it is not acceptable, but you are being stubborn to think otherwise. A loss of a 500m ISK Hulk during Hulkageddon is only acceptable to gankers and for no one else. And stop making me laugh.
Let me ask you. Why do you think the Hulk costs so much?. Then that will give you your answer |
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Whitehound
98
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:48:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Let me ask you. Why do you think the Hulk costs so much? Then that will give you your answer No, it is a stupid question. Why? Because the Hulk is the most popular ship of all and it would not be if people were asking why it costs so much. |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
259
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:49:00 -
[142] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote: Being ganked by several ships is totally acceptable. be they Frigates or Destroyers. Hell if you bring enough even Badgers. To tank the Hulk, will mean the ganker needing more ships to make the gank successful. If he brings 4 and you can survive 6. He will lose his ships in the gank, without gaining anything. Hell you can even loot his ships for your gain. ... No, it is not acceptable, but you are being stubborn to think otherwise. A loss of a 500m ISK Hulk during Hulkageddon is only acceptable to gankers and for no one else. And stop making me laugh.
Wrong again. It's also very acceptable to Hulk manufacturers. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:51:00 -
[143] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:
What you fail to understand is that gank hulks and mining barges is not compatible with isk/h argument or gank for profit because transport industrials will give you the best isk/h rate. Gank mining barges is just grieffing players because you can, now for tank argument let me advise you to fit a full T2 miners Rokh and you'll get a better yeld than the stupid hulk fit supposed to tank.
Nice stuff.
Not everyone can fly a Rokh. You will also need a hauler, for it. Else you have the added risk of can flippers. Not everyone has that advantage. The bit about Haulers and isk / hr, I must confess that I do not know what you are trying to say. o7
When you bring isk/h argument, that you can't admit anything else thant TANK hulk, train for Rokh goes way faster than covetor full skills, cheaper than an hulk or mackinaw and far better TANK and yeld.
Now for industrials part, I was just invalidating decisively the gank hulks for profit argument that apparently seems to stick in some disturbed minds. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
20
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:52:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Let me ask you. Why do you think the Hulk costs so much? Then that will give you your answer No, it is a stupid question. Why? Because the Hulk is the most popular ship of all and it would not be if people were asking why it costs so much.
Not as stupid as you think.
People are prepared to pay the price of the Hulk. PREPARED, thats the crux of the matter. They are prepared to pay, even with the knowledge of ongoing issues. If no one bought a hulk. The price would drop. They have only themselves to blame for the price.
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malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
20
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:57:00 -
[145] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:
When you bring isk/h argument, that you can't admit anything else thant TANK hulk, train for Rokh goes way faster than covetor full skills, cheaper than an hulk or mackinaw and far better TANK and yeld.
Now for industrials part, I was just invalidating decisively the gank hulks for profit argument that apparently seems to stick in some disturbed minds.
The point about the Rokh is a very valid point. It does have a reliance upon resources, and abilities, that not all Hulk pilots have access to.
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Whitehound
98
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Posted - 2012.04.16 16:03:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Not as stupid as you think.
People are prepared to pay the price of the Hulk. PREPARED, thats the crux of the matter. They are prepared to pay, even with the knowledge of ongoing issues. If no one bought a hulk. The price would drop. They have only themselves to blame for the price. The prices are set by the makers and sellers and when they cannot make a profit or cannot sell an item then there will be no Hulks. Refusing to buy a Hulk only means that you will not get one for the price you want to pay for.
What was the point of your question? Did it have any? |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
20
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Posted - 2012.04.16 16:17:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Not as stupid as you think.
People are prepared to pay the price of the Hulk. PREPARED, thats the crux of the matter. They are prepared to pay, even with the knowledge of ongoing issues. If no one bought a hulk. The price would drop. They have only themselves to blame for the price. The prices are set by the makers and sellers and when they cannot make a profit or cannot sell an item then there will be no Hulks. Refusing to buy a Hulk only means that you will not get one for the price you want to pay for. What was the point of your question? Did it have any?
No. the prices are set to what people will pay. Did it ever occur to you. That you can always make your own?. Did it ever occur to you the less likely you are to lose a hulk. The less likely you are to replace it?. Did ever occur to you, that mining is only a fraction of the games content?. Did it ever occur to you that you can choose your direction in this game.
Basically you decide your fate within the sandbox |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 16:29:00 -
[148] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:No. the prices are set to what people will pay.
When you can:
-Kill rogue drones
-Reprocess modules with low to null skills
-have better yeld and TANK with a battleship far easier to train
-buy at low price meta modules and reprocess those without need of perfect skills to make profits
-exploit game fails kinda Pax Amarria
Why would some train and pay for an Hulk unless it's an idiot and why would another be idiot enough to build those? |
Whitehound
98
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Posted - 2012.04.16 16:58:00 -
[149] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:No. the prices are set to what people will pay. Oh, no. The prices are set to what the producers think it is worth. They have to respect the bill of materials or they will make a loss. If an item is more worth reprocessed than in one piece will it not be sold. It gets reprocessed and if you sell it anyway will others buy it only to reprocess it.
Those who control the resources, like the moon materials, set the prices. |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:22:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:
Why would some train and pay for an Hulk unless it's an idiot and why would another be idiot enough to build those?
The hulk can mine solo while the rokh is forced to jetcan mine. The hulk can also out strip a rokh if you sacrifice some tank for a MLU and still be able to tank most gank attempts by destroyers. |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:
Why would some train and pay for an Hulk unless it's an idiot and why would another be idiot enough to build those?
The hulk can mine solo while the rokh is forced to jetcan mine. The hulk can also out strip a rokh if you sacrifice some tank for a MLU and still be able to tank most gank attempts by destroyers.
Both can use hauler, one has more base cargo the other has FAR more TANK and same to better yeld the moment you use an hauler. And no no no no and NO!! for your MLU, you saying from the beginning miners are stupid enough to not tank their Hulk, and now it's exactly what you are saying so that an hulk wins some interest compared to a mining battleship...
Whatever you bring as argument I can put it to the ground because you know as well as I do how badly designed mining and ships for it are. Now we can discuss and not agree on a point or another it doesn't really matter, what it matters is that mining is bots and multi boxing or stupid people activity at current game design.
Now for each positive point you give me to use a tanked hulk I can give you a far better activity with -¦| isk income and fun, so what's the point of mining and industry in the game when all you need is passive moon goo, buy plex with isk and win (yes plex because it's new aurum pay to win stuff, you guys were just too blind to see it) |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:37:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:
Why would some train and pay for an Hulk unless it's an idiot and why would another be idiot enough to build those?
The hulk can mine solo while the rokh is forced to jetcan mine. The hulk can also out strip a rokh if you sacrifice some tank for a MLU and still be able to tank most gank attempts by destroyers. Both can use hauler, one has more base cargo the other has FAR more TANK and same to better yeld the moment you use an hauler. And no no no no and NO!! for your MLU, you saying from the beginning miners are stupid enough to not tank their Hulk, and now it's exactly what you are saying so that an hulk wins some interest compared to a mining battleship... Whatever you bring as argument I can put it to the ground because you know as well as I do how badly designed mining and ships for it are. Now we can discuss and not agree on a point or another it doesn't really matter, what it matters is that mining is bots and multi boxing or stupid people activity at current game design. Now for each positive point you give me to use a tanked hulk I can give you a far better activity with -¦| isk income and fun, so what's the point of mining and industry in the game when all you need is passive moon goo, buy plex with isk and win (yes plex because it's new aurum pay to win stuff, you guys were just too blind to see it)
Point out a destroyer than can break a 22-27k tank in under 10 seconds. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
615
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:50:00 -
[153] - Quote
Rohk's do not have a 3 min cycle time for their miners, and they have a tiny cargo hold idiots. The first thing you will notice is the epic and mind numbing click-drag-drop fest that you have gotten yourself into. After that it all goes down hill from there. So I guess have a party if you're into that sort of thing.
EFT does not equal Real Game Play. (TM)
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Point out a destroyer than can break a 22-27k tank in under 10 seconds.
Why would someone gank a 22/27K tank hulk with a destroyer unless it's a lazy or stupid newb? - everyone with a single neuron would immediately associate destroyer gank to T1 mining barges and battlecruisers to T2 mining barges
You know all the story about alts and ship scanners etc etc etc, the same tactics by the way used to gank light haulers or freighters with billions of stuff in, you know what I mean, so why would you absolutely want to gank a 27k hulk with a destroyer?
You are just making your uber Hulk crunch under my Tornado teeth |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:03:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:baltec1 wrote:Point out a destroyer than can break a 22-27k tank in under 10 seconds. Why would someone gank a 22/27K tank hulk with a destroyer unless it's a lazy or stupid newb? - everyone with a single neuron would immediately associate destroyer gank to T1 mining barges and battlecruisers to T2 mining barges You know all the story about alts and ship scanners etc etc etc, the same tactics by the way used to gank light haulers or freighters with billions of stuff in, you know what I mean, so why would you absolutely want to gank a 27k hulk with a destroyer? You are just making your uber Hulk crunch under my Tornado teeth
So we are in agreement, a tanked hulk with a MLU has nothing to fear from a destroyer. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
615
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:06:00 -
[156] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:baltec1 wrote:Point out a destroyer than can break a 22-27k tank in under 10 seconds. Why would someone gank a 22/27K tank hulk with a destroyer unless it's a lazy or stupid newb? - everyone with a single neuron would immediately associate destroyer gank to T1 mining barges and battlecruisers to T2 mining barges You know all the story about alts and ship scanners etc etc etc, the same tactics by the way used to gank light haulers or freighters with billions of stuff in, you know what I mean, so why would you absolutely want to gank a 27k hulk with a destroyer? You are just making your uber Hulk crunch under my Tornado teeth So we are in agreement, a tanked hulk with a MLU has nothing to fear from a destroyer.
He seems to be in agreement yes.
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:10:00 -
[157] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Rohk's do not have a 3 min cycle time for their miners, and they have a tiny cargo hold idiots. The first thing you will notice is the epic and mind numbing click-drag-drop fest that you have gotten yourself into. After that it all goes down hill from there. So I guess have a party if you're into that sort of thing. EFT does not equal Real Game Play. (TM)
My mining Dominix laughs at your uber tanked hulk every day, gets enough cargo and 1200m/s +drones to kick yer arse and neut/scram to finish the job. Now you can perfectly gank it like an Hulk and it will probably be some day, if I ever mine again witch I doubt.
So what's next uber lol tank Hulk fit with a decent isk/h yeld? |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:10:00 -
[158] - Quote
also i'm gonna drop a little knowledge bomb on the ignorant sheep bleeting in this thread: when ganking, why would I bother going to all the effort of killing the one guy who figured out how to tank his hulk by getting a BC or two handy when there is an endless parade of idiots who i can drop catalysts on?
when it came to the ice interdiction it was necessary to pound anyone who resisted's face into pulp regardless of the expense, but when you're just out to farm the weak and stupid there's no need to put the effort into refitting to get the guy with four braincells instead of two
unless of course you mouth off, then you're going to die |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:14:00 -
[159] - Quote
but really my goal is for catalysts to continue streaking out of the sky nonstop (and my orca fits 8-9 of those instead of two bcs) to maximize the suffering i inflict so i'm just going to launch the wootinators at all the untanked idiots, then only go after the tanked guys if they attempt to act like they're people or i run out of idiots
and in this game it's pretty hard to run out of idiots |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
616
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:15:00 -
[160] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Rohk's do not have a 3 min cycle time for their miners, and they have a tiny cargo hold idiots. The first thing you will notice is the epic and mind numbing click-drag-drop fest that you have gotten yourself into. After that it all goes down hill from there. So I guess have a party if you're into that sort of thing. EFT does not equal Real Game Play. (TM) My mining Dominix laughs at your uber tanked hulk every day, gets enough cargo and 1200m/s +drones to kick yer arse and neut/scram to finish the job. Now you can perfectly gank it like an Hulk and it will probably be some day, if I ever mine again witch I doubt. So what's next uber lol tank Hulk fit with a decent isk/h yeld? @Baltec1 Salut
Can you explain what this post means, I read it twice and it still confuses me. When did we start talking about dominixs, large drone bays and scrams to laugh at me?
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:16:00 -
[161] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:...and in this game it's pretty hard to run out of idiots
When I run out of those I just go to VFK |
baltec1
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:18:00 -
[162] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:...and in this game it's pretty hard to run out of idiots When I run out of those I just go to VFK
Confirming foolish haulers never look at intel in vfk. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
616
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:19:00 -
[163] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:...and in this game it's pretty hard to run out of idiots When I run out of those I just go to VFK
Where as most of us here think that people that post with their alts are also idiots.
Employment History: Science and Trade Institute [STI] from 2011.06.15 13:16 to this day Winning...
Who here scares you Tanya?
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:22:00 -
[164] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:...and in this game it's pretty hard to run out of idiots When I run out of those I just go to VFK Confirming foolish haulers never look at intel in vfk.
There are other flying idiots than haulers too, to have an idea of how much there are around there just look at eve-kill stream, sometimes it's really funny.
"we managed to kill their drones! -OP success !!"
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Whitehound
100
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:22:00 -
[165] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:but really my goal is for catalysts to continue streaking out of the sky nonstop (and my orca fits 8-9 of those instead of two bcs) to maximize the suffering i inflict so i'm just going to launch the wootinators at all the untanked idiots, then only go after the tanked guys if they attempt to act like they're people or i run out of idiots
and in this game it's pretty hard to run out of idiots And you are an idiot. Just look at yourself how you talk about mouthing off while you are mouthing off. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:22:00 -
[166] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:...and in this game it's pretty hard to run out of idiots When I run out of those I just go to VFK Where as most of us here think that people that post with their alts are also idiots. Employment History: Science and Trade Institute [STI] from 2011.06.15 13:16 to this day Winning... Who here scares you Tanya?
Your mom. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:23:00 -
[167] - Quote
i would take the dumbest goon (and boy there are a lot) every day over the npc posting alt |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
616
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:26:00 -
[168] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:...and in this game it's pretty hard to run out of idiots When I run out of those I just go to VFK Where as most of us here think that people that post with their alts are also idiots. Employment History: Science and Trade Institute [STI] from 2011.06.15 13:16 to this day Winning... Who here scares you Tanya? Your mom.
How does it feel to be a chicken **** on the internet too? Does it fill you with confidence and self-gratification?
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:47:00 -
[169] - Quote
In all honesty, I hate it when people fit survey scanners and MLUs on the Hulk during highly-destructive events like Burn Jita and Hulkageddon. Unless you found a system in high-sec space that has almost no one in it and is far from the hubs and away from the pirate hives, those two modules are a waste of space for a Hulk in terms of achieving optimal tank.
I use an Orca also for providing the best fleet boosts possible for my Hulk's shield and armor resistance. I'm also looking to train it up to utilize a third gang link for reducing the signature radius.
But it doesn't always have to be an Orca to provide the boosts. Just sitting in a cheap battlecruiser with a gang link active is enough. Hell, even if you can't fit a gang link for whatever, some of the leadership skills alone will already provide boosts just for being in fleet (no gang links needed) such as improved agility, faster targeting speed, etc.
Of course, there is always the friendly logistics guys who will probably provide RR defenses for free if you run into them. IF you run into them. Since there's probably not gonna be a lot of them roaming around, you have to prepare for the worst. Sacrificing yield for tank is preferred over having weak tank when a fleet of Thrashers and Catalysts come knocking on your back door (giggity). Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:38:00 -
[170] - Quote
Whitehound wrote: And you are an idiot. Just look at yourself how you talk about mouthing off while you are mouthing off.
you don't really "get" what mouthing off means
since you are the wretched peasant you trying to put yourself on a level with me is mouthing off while my speaking to you properly putting you in your place as a wretched peasant is me deigning to favor you with my valuable attention |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:52:00 -
[171] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:stuff
If you feel bad about it then Op success. Deal with it, stfu and move on or keep complaining.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
616
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:55:00 -
[172] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:stuff If you feel bad about it then Op success. Deal with it, stfu and move on or keep complaining.
You're right, I shouldn't wast time feeling bad for you. I'll just move right along with my life now. Poor, little zit faced middle school kid, I hope they pass more of those anti-bulling laws so he feels better soon.
* sniff.
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Whitehound
100
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:56:00 -
[173] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:you don't really "get" what mouthing off means
since you are the wretched peasant you trying to put yourself on a level with me is mouthing off while my speaking to you properly putting you in your place as a wretched peasant is me deigning to favor you with my valuable attention No, you do not get what idiocy means. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1116
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:08:00 -
[174] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:stuff If you feel bad about it then Op success. Deal with it, stfu and move on or keep complaining. You're right, I shouldn't wast time feeling bad for you. I'll just move right along with my life now. Poor, little zit faced middle school kid, I hope they pass more of those anti-bulling laws so he feels better soon. * sniff.
You seem angry, you should take care of your health and do something else young boy. When you start insulting people because they don't care of your silly opinion it's about time to go back to real life.
But once again, suck it up and deal with. Move on, nothing to see here for you.
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
616
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:14:00 -
[175] - Quote
I believe I was insulting you because you're afraid to post with anything but an NPC alt with no corp history.
I also ask, who here on the forums scares you?
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1116
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:24:00 -
[176] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:rabble rabble rabble
Blah blah blah
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Whitehound
102
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:26:00 -
[177] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I also ask you who it is on these forums that scares you? It is so many that I would not know whom to start with. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3355
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:43:00 -
[178] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:I do not care what you have. I do mine, too, on a given occasion and I will not sit in a ship worth 500m ISK and a thin tank while it is the most priced target to every ganker in EVE. It is because of its tank and price tag. If you do not get this then you are just as stupid like the rest of them who desperately hold on to the supertanked Hulk. People like you deserve Hulkageddon so you can snap out of your despair eventually. There is no other way to put it. Let me ask you, did you not yet notice how miners are being treated? They not just get ganked, they get their cans flipped, they get bumped and threatened and laugh at on a daily basis. The miners are being treated like arseholes. If you do not see this and if this does not make you want a better mining ship then one cannot help you!
Hi sec is far too dangerous a place to use a ship intended for nullsec. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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ISD LoneLynx
Community Communications Liaisons
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:45:00 -
[179] - Quote
Topic cleared, please keep your discussions civil. ISD LoneLynx Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
617
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:49:00 -
[180] - Quote
I do like these new ISD's.
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Whitehound
103
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Posted - 2012.04.16 21:09:00 -
[181] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:I do like these new ISD's. I do not. He deleted the comment where I tell the goon, after he called people idiots, that he is an idiot himself. The comment where the goon calls people idiots however remains. I bet the goon reported me for being rude to him. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:05:00 -
[182] - Quote
far better burns of mine have fallen to the wrath of isd than your limpwristed 'no u' burn |
Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:10:00 -
[183] - Quote
ISD Grossvogel wrote: let's keep it civil, folks.
ISD LoneLynx wrote:Topic cleared, please keep your discussions civil. THIS. IS. EVE. ONLINE.!!! how do you play eve online ANYWHERE and keep it civil, heck, the most civilized people are the goons and they plan to burn jita (not like its on fire every other day anyways) |
Whitehound
106
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Posted - 2012.04.16 23:04:00 -
[184] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:far better burns of mine have fallen to the wrath of isd than your limpwristed 'no u' burn Are you complaining or are you seeking my sympathy? |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1117
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:00:00 -
[185] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:far better burns of mine have fallen to the wrath of isd than your limpwristed 'no u' burn Are you complaining or are you seeking my sympathy?
What I see is a goon insulting other players of idiots, beg an ISD for candies and keep posting arrogant comments. Nothing new, just in the same line and already seen at fanfest. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.04.17 05:43:00 -
[186] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Rohk's do not have a 3 min cycle time for their miners
Modulated Deep Core Miner II has 3 min cycle time. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3356
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Posted - 2012.04.17 06:53:00 -
[187] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Point out a destroyer than can break a 22-27k tank in under 10 seconds. Full gank Catalyst would need more than 30 seconds. Ganker would also have to sit in his optimal. And we all know how short blaster optimal is... Eternum Praetorian wrote:Rohk's do not have a 3 min cycle time for their miners Modulated Deep Core Miner II has 3 min cycle time.
Rokhs can't fit those. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3356
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Posted - 2012.04.17 06:54:00 -
[188] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I do like these new ISD's. I do not. He deleted the comment where I tell the goon, after he called people idiots, that he is an idiot himself. The comment where the goon calls people idiots however remains. I bet the goon reported me for being rude to him. Or maybe the ISD agrees with the goon and he thinks their game is full of idiots.
There's a difference between a general statement like "People who drink contaminated water are idiots" and a specific statement like "Whitehound is an idiot". Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Whitehound
116
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Posted - 2012.04.17 08:12:00 -
[189] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:There's a difference between a general statement like "People who drink contaminated water are idiots" and a specific statement like "Whitehound is an idiot". And what is the difference between those two forms of insult?
I tell you. One is a generalization and the other is personal. You think one is better or more acceptable than the other? It is not and to believe otherwise makes you an idiot. QED. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.04.17 08:43:00 -
[190] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Point out a destroyer than can break a 22-27k tank in under 10 seconds. Full gank Catalyst would need more than 30 seconds. Ganker would also have to sit in his optimal. And we all know how short blaster optimal is... Eternum Praetorian wrote:Rohk's do not have a 3 min cycle time for their miners Modulated Deep Core Miner II has 3 min cycle time. Rokhs can't fit those.
Check your facts before posting.
Modulated Deep Core Miner II =/= Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II |
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malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
21
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Posted - 2012.04.17 11:15:00 -
[191] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Malcanis wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Point out a destroyer than can break a 22-27k tank in under 10 seconds. Full gank Catalyst would need more than 30 seconds. Ganker would also have to sit in his optimal. And we all know how short blaster optimal is... Eternum Praetorian wrote:Rohk's do not have a 3 min cycle time for their miners Modulated Deep Core Miner II has 3 min cycle time. Rokhs can't fit those. Check your facts before posting. Modulated Deep Core Miner II =/= Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II
Agreed bad advice is bad advice.
But in a thread offering advice on how to better your chances of survival. It is amazing that when told 30k hp is better than 16k hp. they argue that it is not better. Ironic that these person's are the ones, name calling.
o7 |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.04.17 11:36:00 -
[192] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:Ironic that these person's are the ones, name calling.
For me it looks like gankers tend to use word "idiot" more than anyone else in this thread. |
Whitehound
120
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Posted - 2012.04.17 17:34:00 -
[193] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:Agreed bad advice is bad advice.
But in a thread offering advice on how to better your chances of survival. It is amazing that when told 30k hp is better than 16k hp. they argue that it is not better. Ironic that these person's are the ones, name calling. Do you seriously believe that there are people out there who can afford a Hulk and afford to fit it like the OP suggests, who read the forum and who know about Hulkageddon, do not know about EFT, PYFA, EveHQ, Battleclinic loadouts, etc.?
Do you see people asking for how to fit their ships against Hulkageddon? Do you??
Maybe not today, but someday you will realize that your desire to offer help are not more than the actions of the desperate and helpless.
And should you be referring to me as the one calling people names then know that I only do it in return for their insults and to see if they can take what they dish out. I however do not take offence in an insult and to me was and is the thread civil despite the ISD's rude decision to delete our comments. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:20:00 -
[194] - Quote
if you're going to try and see if we can take what we dish out you'll have to come up with better burns, yours are bush-league while you're trying to post against the grandmasters of posting
soz |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:22:00 -
[195] - Quote
but i am not here to mock the ignorant, i am here to offer nuggets of wisdom because i find it hilarious that i can give you all the information you need to survive and yet you still refuse to hear it
merely being slightly less stupid than you're yerning to be will give you a large degree of immunity as :effort: at the guy with a decent tank and gank the guy next to him who isn't aware of what a DCII is |
baltec1
1105
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Posted - 2012.04.17 19:31:00 -
[196] - Quote
Whitehound wrote: Do you seriously believe that there are people out there who can afford a Hulk and afford to fit it like the OP suggests, who read the forum and who know about Hulkageddon, do not know about EFT, PYFA, EveHQ, Battleclinic loadouts, etc.?
If you cant afford the OPs tank then you should not be getting a hulk in the first place. Its not even 20 mil... |
Whitehound
124
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Posted - 2012.04.17 19:34:00 -
[197] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:but i am not here to mock the ignorant, i am here to offer nuggets of wisdom because i find it hilarious that i can give you all the information you need to survive and yet you still refuse to hear it
merely being slightly less stupid than you're yerning to be will give you a large degree of immunity as :effort: at the guy with a decent tank and gank the guy next to him who isn't aware of what a DCII is You, the grandmaster, is offering a single DCII as a solution...
I then say: on a Covetor is it enough to give you close to 10k eHP. It is simple, it is effective and when your ship still gets popped is it not much of a loss. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
21
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Posted - 2012.04.17 19:37:00 -
[198] - Quote
Whitehound wrote: Do you seriously believe that there are people out there who can afford a Hulk and afford to fit it like the OP suggests, who read the forum and who know about Hulkageddon, do not know about EFT, PYFA, EveHQ, Battleclinic loadouts, etc. Do you see people asking for how to fit their ships against Hulkageddon? Do you? Maybe not today, but someday you will realize that your desire to offer help are not more than the actions of the desperate and helpless.
What the hell are you taking
Your whole arguement hinges on the fact someone posted useful infomation, and you don't like this? Are you f**king serious? seriously? Are you so bloody sad, that you refuse to advocate, helpful advice? What the hell is wrong with you?
Whitehound wrote:And should you be referring to me as the one calling people names then know that I only do it in return for their insults and to see if they can take what they dish out. I however do not take offence in an insult and to me was and is the thread civil despite the ISD's rude decision to delete our comments.
Again are you serious? I told you to keep a civil tongue in your head when replying to me. You didn't even have the decency to do that.
Let it be known that I fully endorse, any helpful advice given on these forums. I find the community could do with a lot more like the OP, and a lot less of the selfish people that dont want any advice or colaberation to be given anywhere.
o7 |
Whitehound
124
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Posted - 2012.04.17 19:51:00 -
[199] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:What the hell are you taking ... I am saying that you are acting desperate. |
baltec1
1105
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Posted - 2012.04.17 19:58:00 -
[200] - Quote
Whitehound wrote: I am saying that you are acting desperate.
That still makes no sense. |
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malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
21
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:03:00 -
[201] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:What the hell are you taking ... I am saying that you are acting desperate.
Okay
Then explain in laymen terms.
How does the OP's fit not increase the tank of the Hulk. Dont give me your twaddle. Just tell me how it does not increase tank instead of using MLU's
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Whitehound
124
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:06:00 -
[202] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote: Okay
Then explain in laymen terms.
How does the OP's fit not increase the tank of the Hulk. Dont give me your twaddle. Just tell me how it does not increase tank instead of using MLU's
Okay. First explain to me what the point of it is and who you are tanking against. Then I will judge what good it is. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
21
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:10:00 -
[203] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote: Okay
Then explain in laymen terms.
How does the OP's fit not increase the tank of the Hulk. Dont give me your twaddle. Just tell me how it does not increase tank instead of using MLU's
Okay. First explain to me what the point of it is and who you are tanking against. Then I will judge what good it is.
You cant even do that can you.
how simple do you want me to ask?
Does the fit the Op gives increase Tankability over MLU's fit yes or no? |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:21:00 -
[204] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:Does the fit the Op gives increase Tankability over MLU's fit yes or no?
Btw, tank fit with one MLU is possible and yet it has 28k (overloaded) buffer against Catalyst. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
21
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:23:00 -
[205] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Does the fit the Op gives increase Tankability over MLU's fit yes or no? Btw, tank fit with one MLU is possible and yet it has 28k (overloaded) buffer against Catalyst.
Yep it's my fit I get 25k OL |
Whitehound
124
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:27:00 -
[206] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:You cant even do that can you.
how simple do you want me to ask?
Does the fit the Op gives increase Tankability over MLU's fit yes or no? I will not answer silly questions. You want to play number games on the forum, but I want to play EVE. Again, what is the purpose of your tank and who or what are you tanking against? |
baltec1
1108
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:34:00 -
[207] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:
You cant even do that can you.
how simple do you want me to ask?
Does the fit the Op gives increase Tankability over MLU's fit yes or no?
He won't answer because it flies in the face of his entire argument. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:43:00 -
[208] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Again, what is the purpose of your tank and who or what are you tanking against?
Main purpose is getting those casual gankers off. Most of them aren't even going to bother if they actually scan your Hulk and see strong buffer.
And in mining missions it's quite hilarious when cruiser rats can't break tank of non-combat ship. Or they seem to take their time doing it. |
Whitehound
124
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:19:00 -
[209] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Whitehound wrote:Again, what is the purpose of your tank and who or what are you tanking against? Main purpose is getting those casual gankers off. Most of them aren't even going to bother if they actually scan your Hulk and see strong buffer. And in mining missions it's quite hilarious when cruiser rats can't break tank of non-combat ship. Or they seem to take their time doing it. I was not asking you. We both know Hulkageddon is coming together with Goonswarm's 1800 Tornados and the only good advise is to stay docked.
If you like a thrill then sure, put yourself in a belt with your 500m ISKs Hulk and overload its tank and play target. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
21
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:26:00 -
[210] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Whitehound wrote:Again, what is the purpose of your tank and who or what are you tanking against? Main purpose is getting those casual gankers off. Most of them aren't even going to bother if they actually scan your Hulk and see strong buffer. And in mining missions it's quite hilarious when cruiser rats can't break tank of non-combat ship. Or they seem to take their time doing it. I was not asking you. We both know Hulkageddon is coming together with Goonswarm's 1800 Tornados and the only good advise is to stay docked. If you like a thrill then sure, put yourself in a belt with your 500m ISKs Hulk and overload its tank and play target.
Oh you poor poor little soul.
This is not I repeat NOT about Hulkageddon. It's about increasing your survivabilty against gankers.
I ask you again. Does the OP's fit increase tankability over a MLU fit. Yes or no?. It's not a particulary hard question. Don't twaddle your answer. just a straight yes or no. |
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Whitehound
125
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:32:00 -
[211] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:This is not I repeat NOT about Hulkageddon. You should point this out more clearly. People might come to the forum looking for help on what to do against Hulkageddon and then think your fits are going to save them. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
21
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:46:00 -
[212] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Since PVP knowledge alludes most miners (and greed seems to permeate all of you more then sensibility) I have elected to post a decent "Hulk Fit" for this age of EVE's evolution. ATM, do to hulkageddon, Minmatar's stupid high alpha and a blaster buff, everything is dieing in record numbers. Empire is no longer just "Not Safe" there are gankers online 23/7 in every market hub, and they will scan every ship and every shuttle as they fly by. If your mining in a hulk, unless you are in a deep dark system somewhere... some ganker is pretty much on his way.
So... Here is what a PVP guy has learned about mining in a fairly short amount of time.
~fits~
Truth be told, ganking in Empire may be getting out of hand when Jita becomes a practical no fly zone for freighters, industrials and ore ships. But that does not mean that you have to fly glass ships and except being fodder for the masses. There is a big diff between two idiots tearing you down with little not no effort while you're on auto pilot, and it requiring a small, coordinated fleet to do the same thing. You have been notified.
Whitehound wrote:You should point this out more clearly. People might come to the forum looking for help on what to do against Hulkageddon and then think your fits are going to save them.
The OP's post (minus fits). Nowhere does it say "This is for Hulkageddon". It is quite clear to me, that this is not about Hulkageddon.
Oh, is that a sorry I hear from you? |
Whitehound
125
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:04:00 -
[213] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:The OP's post (minus fits). Nowhere does it say "This is for Hulkageddon". It is quite clear to me, that this is not about Hulkageddon.
Oh, is that a sorry I hear from you? No, why? Are you sorry? I am glad you are beginning to point it out. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
21
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:20:00 -
[214] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:The OP's post (minus fits). Nowhere does it say "This is for Hulkageddon". It is quite clear to me, that this is not about Hulkageddon.
Oh, is that a sorry I hear from you? No, why? Are you sorry? I am glad you are beginning to point it out.
Not only have you confused yourself about this threads meaning, but how the f**k can you read, ( and i'll copy and paste for your benefit) " Oh, is that a sorry I hear from you " , as an apology from me? . You are seriously a bad reader. No wonder your posts are generally twaddle.
I would say that I had been successfully trolled, but you are too stupid to even do that. |
Whitehound
125
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:36:00 -
[215] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:Not only have you confused yourself about this threads meaning ... No, the thread's meaning was to help people and many arguments were made with regards to Hulkageddon, Tornado ganks and what else. I will not bother going through 10 pages to summarize the discussion for you. The way I see it are you tuning down your position now that you have realized that you cannot tank against it. I then do not care about people who fly a Hulk, but then do not know how to tank against a single destroyer. I still think the OP's fit is too extreme, is only desperate and serves at best as a testimony for a Hulk's weak tank. But now I am only repeating what has been said all along. Maybe just try stop being mad. |
malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
21
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:53:00 -
[216] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Not only have you confused yourself about this threads meaning ... No, the thread's meaning was to help people and many arguments were made with regards to Hulkageddon, Tornado ganks and what else. I will not bother going through 10 pages to summarize the discussion for you. The way I see it are you tuning down your position now that you have realized that you cannot tank against it. I then do not care about people who fly a Hulk, but then do not know how to tank against a single destroyer. I still think the OP's fit is too extreme, is only desperate and serves at best as a testimony for a Hulk's weak tank. But now I am only repeating what has been said all along. Maybe just try stop being mad.
lol you really must learn to read. Not only have i pointed out to you, shown you. hell you can read the OP's original thread. In no way is this thread about Hulkageddon.
It is you who is mad. that you cannot mine in safety while gaining maximum yield. You are crying that your hulk costs too much to lose. You are whaaaaa whaaaaaing that AFK mining is not safe anymore. Go grow some and stop feeding tears to the gankers |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.04.17 23:02:00 -
[217] - Quote
Tank is pointless.
Stay aligned and if someone capable of ganking you warps in, warp out.
Can't stay in range if you're aligned? Mine with a buddy and fit two stasis webs. 75% speed with two webs on you in a hulk is about 13 m/s max. As long as you both warp at the same time you'll be perfectly fine. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. |
Whitehound
126
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Posted - 2012.04.17 23:04:00 -
[218] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:lol you really must learn to read. Not only have i pointed out to you, shown you. hell you can read the OP's original thread. In no way is this thread about Hulkageddon.
It is you who is mad. that you cannot mine in safety while gaining maximum yield. You are crying that your hulk costs too much to lose. You are whaaaaa whaaaaaing that AFK mining is not safe anymore. Go grow some and stop feeding tears to the gankers I agree, the fit is useless for Hulkageddon. Everything else you say is however just wrong. I am also glad that you are not mad any more.
o7 |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.04.18 05:19:00 -
[219] - Quote
Whitehound wrote:If you like a thrill then sure, put yourself in a belt with your 500m ISKs Hulk and overload its tank and play target.
Well, I keep my Hulk and Orca on station. If I mine during Hulkageddon I will do it in Covetors and I will be using clean jump clones. But then again there is so many other things one can do during Hulkageddon like getting better standings through missions. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
222
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:18:00 -
[220] - Quote
A ganker can still kill a hulk fit that way if they want to.
Why would you fly such a specialized mining ship only to gut its yield and cargo capacity to the point where you might as well fly something else less specialized? |
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:43:00 -
[221] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:Why would you fly such a specialized mining ship only to gut its yield and cargo capacity to the point where you might as well fly something else less specialized?
Hulk has 8000 m3 cargohold without cargo mods/rigs. And as already said tank + one MLU is possible. Also the fact that if they are after profit not many will throw Catalysts at you just to destroy tanked Hulk if there is even a small chance they can't get any of the modules or salvage. I keep salvage destroyer in Orca's SMB. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:54:00 -
[222] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:A ganker can still kill a hulk fit that way if they want to.
Why would you fly such a specialized mining ship only to gut its yield and cargo capacity to the point where you might as well fly something else less specialized? gankers will simply target the eight other guys in the system that are untanked |
Whitehound
146
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:03:00 -
[223] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:A ganker can still kill a hulk fit that way if they want to.
Why would you fly such a specialized mining ship only to gut its yield and cargo capacity to the point where you might as well fly something else less specialized? gankers will simply target the eight other guys in the system that are untanked Not necessarily. Depending on the first attempt can one still decide to give it a second try. Another ganker might just use the opportunity to make the catch after the first failed. |
baltec1
1111
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:14:00 -
[224] - Quote
Whitehound wrote: Not necessarily. Depending on the first attempt can one still decide to give it a second try. Another ganker might just use the opportunity to make the catch after the first failed.
Gankers wont bother trying to kill something they cant kill. Especially if there is no profit in doing so. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:08:00 -
[225] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Gankers wont bother trying to kill something they cant kill. Especially if there is no profit in doing so.
But there is always those who have way too much money to burn. They do it only for lulz. |
baltec1
1111
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Posted - 2012.04.18 17:31:00 -
[226] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
But there is always those who have way too much money to burn. They do it only for lulz.
Yea but thats not till the 28th |
Whitehound
146
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Posted - 2012.04.18 19:26:00 -
[227] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:But there is always those who have way too much money to burn. They do it only for lulz. I once got ganked accidentally by a guy who thought he was still roaming through low-sec. He left a message in local "lol wtf" when CONCORD popped him. Lulz are for everyone. |
Tarrick Merdev
Mernaya Holdings
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:55:00 -
[228] - Quote
Mine in a Covetor, problem solved. Most won't gank you when they know that they will lose more than you. Even if they do, it only takes 1 hour to recoup the loss rather than 10.
The only difference is the loss of the Exhumer bonus and an MLU, which it sounds like most of you are dropping at least one MLU for tank anyway. If you drop that second MLU, then you pretty much give up all benefit of being in a Hulk, as far as yield is concerned anyway. |
Page Starcaster
Society of lost Souls
2
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:06:00 -
[229] - Quote
Is there any PVPer in this game even slightly concerned about the up coming nerf to minerals from drone POO and module drops?
Come middle of May 90% of the minerals in game will come from miners. What this means for all you anti indy PVPers is the more trouble miners have the high price you will pay for the ships you get blown up in.
I would not be the least bit surprised if by the end of summer the honorable non ganker PVPer will be hunting down high sec gankers just to try to keep mineral prices down.
That being said many miners, like my self actually know how to play this game and know how to avoid getting ganked without the help of some well meaning PVPer trying to teach us.
I have been mining for years, even spent almost a year mining in null sec, I know what to look for and what to avoid. True there is always a chance that a ganker could catch me unprepared and pop my hulk but the risk is no greater than a Null sec PVPer getting caught by a roaming gang in an expensive ratting fit BS.
So many PVPers think miners are cowardly carebears, but how many of you have the stones to sit out in the open unarmed with little regard for the risk. Cruising around null in a covops always cloaked up is so much braver?
Without the indy players the PVPers would have no ships to fly. And without the PVPers the indy pilots would have nobody to buy there goods. We all depend on each other to keep EVE alive.
I can not say I will never get ganked, although I have not been in almost two years, but If I do it is just part of the game and that risk as a miner is one of the things that actually makes mining fun. A good successful miner is one who can turn a profit despite the risk of getting ganked, by playing smart and know what to do and what to watch for. Fitting your Hulk for max tank will not save you. they are still to squishy. To suceed you need to avoid the gank in the first place.
This is one of the greatest things about this game. The plaque of gankers so prominent in every other MMO is not such a problem in EVE, not because ganking is not easy, or fun for those into that kind of thing, but because it costs them resources to continue it. They spend as much time farming isk for there next campain as they do actually hunting for targets. For the most part it is not profitable.
In most MMO's there is no penalty for death, you lose none of your urber equipment, And gankers abound as there is nothing to stop them. They lose nothing even if they do die. they need no reward for it,other than the tiers of their victims.
Ganking can be fun but it IS NOT real PVP. It does NOT make you a L33T PVPer. Gankers are not real PVPers but only wannabe PVPers that fail at real PVP and stroke their E-PEEN by attacking players that can not fight back or at the very least have zero chance of winning the fight. It can be fun, yes, but killing defensless targets does not make you good at PVP.
Yet the player who goes out and enjoys the PVE activity despite the threat from the gankers is called a carebear? What is the more noble player? the asshat that does everything they can to ruin the enjoyment of the game for everyone they meet, Or the player who goes out and plays the game they love the way they want to play it despite the asshats.
True PVP is lots of fun. There have been many truly epic battles in EVE a few of which I have even been a part of. But there has never been a ganker in any of those epic battles, they might actually die in a fair fight. True Gankers only fight battles they know they can win. As far as I am concerned that makes them far more cowardly than carebears, certainly nothing to be proud of.
I care not how many ganker come to EVE, because I know there is nothing they can do to be anything more than a minor nusance. EVE is the only MMO I have ever played that I have no worries of it ever being ruined by gankers. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:11:00 -
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Page Starcaster wrote: Come middle of May 90% of the minerals in game will come from miners. What this means for all you anti indy PVPers is the more trouble miners have the high price you will pay for the ships you get blown up in.
It's ok: I know how to fly frigates.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.28 12:59:00 -
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I would like to resurrect this thread since Hulkgaeddon is about to start (4/29). The rules indicate only Exhumers and Orcas score points. With that in mind, we have designed a fleet of 1@ Drake + 2@ Rokh and have been flying this without harassment. Jet can mining is needed, which IMO is not optimal, but it beats losing an Orca full of ore.
Please review. Suggestions and comments are definitely welcomed.
The design goals: 1) Incursion quality omni tank/resists - point of this thread 2) cargo space for three mins between jettisons - minimize clicking insanity 3) Acceptable yield - min/max greed vs safety 4) Rokh's spider tank each other via logi drones - added gank discouragement
Roles: 1@Drake = mining boss with gang links. Takes out rats and salvages wrecks. 2@ Rokh = mining + cross-shield repping (spider tank) via medium logi drones.
Loadouts:
[Drake - Mining Boss] :: cargo = 345m3 Tank using my main's skills :: 11.8K shield, EHP = 88K in fleet, sig = 329m Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Command Processor I Command Processor I EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II Small Tractor Beam II Salvager II Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher,Mjolnir Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher,Mjolnir Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher,Mjolnir Light Missile Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Drones_Inactive=Hobgoblin II,5
Comments: Drones for rats, missiles optional (but they fit and I just couldn't leave 3 empty high slots)
[Rokh - Tanking Miner - Generic Hi Sec] :: cargo = 2512m3 Tank using my corpmate's wimpy corpmate's skills :: 11K shield, EHP = 81K in fleet, sig = 500 Damage Control II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II EM Ward Amplifier II EM Ward Amplifier II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Miner II (total yield in fleet = 862m3/min, so 2.9 mins to jettison with cargo hold = 2512m3) Miner II (total yield for fleet = 862X2 = 1724m3/min) Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Drones_Active=Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II,5
Comments: Drones for spider tanking. Cap supports active hardeners, but I went mostly passive in case of neut.
Bottom line :: no fit will completely negate a seriously determined gank squad. Hopefully, this fleet set up will make the gankers look for easier targets. And even if they decide we are juicy, losing this fleet is certainly cheaper than losing an Orca and/or Hulks. Plus, none of these ships gets any Hulkageddon points.
Can flippers are still a problem with this set up, but are usually only an annoyance and no real threat. We were forced out of a system by one griefer that just wouldn't quit. We've lost some ore, but have incurred no ship losses. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
668
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Posted - 2012.04.28 13:15:00 -
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The above builds make sense from a purely ISK standpoint during the actual time of Hulkageddon. Assuming that the cost and insurance payout is worth it VS that of a hulk in this economy. I have not checked that, so I cannot say whether or not it is. ATM you can buy a navy geddon for about the same price as a Abaddon.
That being said, that Rokh build has 100K EHP, which people should note, is well withing the gankable EHP range of a Charon. If however you are in one, and the fool next to you is in a Hulk instead, during Hulkageddon, naturally he gets ganked and you do not.
So, during Hulkageddon I approve. If it is not Hulkageddon, I do not for the reasons stated in the previous pages of this thread.
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.28 14:44:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:The above builds make sense from a purely ISK standpoint during the actual time of Hulkageddon. - snip- That being said, that Rokh build has 100K EHP, which people should note, is well withing the gankable EHP range of a Charon. If however you are in one, and the fool next to you is in a Hulk instead, during Hulkageddon, naturally he gets ganked and you do not.
So, during Hulkageddon I approve. If it is not Hulkageddon, I do not for the reasons stated in the previous pages of this thread. Assuming you are referring to the loadouts I posted: since HV is going to be 4 weeks long, I think I'll get some use out of my fleet. If you note, I start out by linking the HV rules, so yes, I am referring to use during HV.
And yeah, the main point being that any build CAN be ganked, but would gankers be willing to suffer the losses of ships needed to take out a Rokh or even a Drake? Seems to me that they are looking for max profits/easy targets/cheap ganks, not something that is close to 90K EHP. I think the tanky Hulks/Orcas will be fine outside of Hulkageddon based upon the need for high yields and expected profits.
And to the OP: thanks for creating this thread and sharing your tanking wisdom along with the dose of reality about the risks of piloting Hulks these days !!!
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GreenSeed
35
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Posted - 2012.04.28 15:16:00 -
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all this is crap...
Hulks have a huge sig radious and 100% of the time they stay at 0 transversal.
they could have 100k EHP they would still get alphaed.
the problem isnt the tank, or the utility. the problem is the cost, hulks should cost at most 20% of what they cost now. thats the only fix that makes sence, having tankier hulks solves no problem at all. having them disposable in the other hand makes them awesome and helps t2 production. more volume of hulks made, more movement on the invention market, more use of t1 Hulls for construction, and the self proclaimed "anti bot gankers" can still take pride on their work, not that they care to aim for bots first or anything.
how to reduce costs? reduce material requierements... DOH |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
668
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Posted - 2012.04.28 15:32:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:all this is crap...
Hulks have a huge sig radious and 100% of the time they stay at 0 transversal.
they could have 100k EHP they would still get alphaed.
the problem isnt the tank, or the utility. the problem is the cost, hulks should cost at most 20% of what they cost now. thats the only fix that makes sence, having tankier hulks solves no problem at all. having them disposable in the other hand makes them awesome and helps t2 production. more volume of hulks made, more movement on the invention market, more use of t1 Hulls for construction, and the self proclaimed "anti bot gankers" can still take pride on their work, not that they care to aim for bots first or anything.
how to reduce costs? reduce material requierements... DOH
First I will correct your grammar, you spelled radious, tankier, requierements, and sense wrong. You then forgot to add an apostrophe to isnt and thats.
Now that is out of the way...
Yes, the solution to suicide ganking miners in empire is the reducing mineral costs! You bad spelling genius you! Now you get a fail, and a U mad at something because you seem mad bra. Ok, I think that I covered all the bases, now.
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FT Diomedes
Factio Paucorum
63
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Posted - 2012.04.28 15:35:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:all this is crap...
Hulks have a huge sig radious and 100% of the time they stay at 0 transversal.
they could have 100k EHP they would still get alphaed.
the problem isnt the tank, or the utility. the problem is the cost, hulks should cost at most 20% of what they cost now. thats the only fix that makes sence, having tankier hulks solves no problem at all. having them disposable in the other hand makes them awesome and helps t2 production. more volume of hulks made, more movement on the invention market, more use of t1 Hulls for construction, and the self proclaimed "anti bot gankers" can still take pride on their work, not that they care to aim for bots first or anything.
how to reduce costs? reduce material requierements... DOH
6/10 - you managed to troll the OP in his own thread. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
668
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Posted - 2012.04.28 16:08:00 -
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I would prefer to be trolled with ideas that make sense TBH. But I suppose rants are in style.
Thx for the bump!
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FT Diomedes
Factio Paucorum
63
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Posted - 2012.04.28 16:11:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I would prefer to be trolled with ideas that make sense TBH. But I suppose rants are in style.
Thx for the bump!
If his idea made any sense at all, he wouldn't be a very good troll. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
668
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Posted - 2012.04.28 16:12:00 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:I would prefer to be trolled with ideas that make sense TBH. But I suppose rants are in style.
Thx for the bump! If his idea made any sense at all, he wouldn't be a very good troll.
I beg to differ, the best trolls take a poop on your front lawn by pointing out relevant and indisputable facts that directly contraction your claims, and then laugh at you in public. (TM)
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Alara IonStorm
2041
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Posted - 2012.04.28 17:09:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: I beg to differ, the best trolls take a poop on your front lawn by pointing out relevant and indisputable facts that directly contraction your claims, and then laugh at you in public. (TM)
Um... Isn't that the definition of an effective counter argument and not a troll...
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Wyte Ragnarok
34
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Posted - 2012.04.28 17:28:00 -
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What is this "troll" you speak of? |
FT Diomedes
Factio Paucorum
66
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:58:00 -
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Wyte Ragnarok wrote:What is this "troll" you speak of?
That would be the person saying that Hulks should cost 60m.
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MacPhie
Acerbus Vindictum Stealth Wear Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:15:00 -
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Wyte Ragnarok wrote:What is this "troll" you speak of?
This Troll - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcJqcUlYTo |
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