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Zverofaust
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:21:00 -
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So apparently yesterday's patch introduced a secret shadow feature change, as CONCORD police will now insta-jam the moment they show up on grid. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:21:00 -
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CCP also is nerfing nullsec pvp by getting rid of hellcats, alpha fleets, etc. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:22:00 -
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Zverofaust wrote:So apparently yesterday's patch introduced a secret shadow feature change, as CONCORD police will now insta-jam the moment they show up on grid.
I've read posts where dev's TALKED about doing that but was not aware they had actually decided to do so. :/ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6064
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:23:00 -
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If you actually mean GÇ£jamGÇ¥ (as in ECM) and not GÇ£scramGÇ¥ (as in warp jamming), then bug-report it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:24:00 -
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Zverofaust wrote:So apparently yesterday's patch introduced a secret shadow feature change, as CONCORD police will now insta-jam the moment they show up on grid.
About time this change was made. Suicide ganking as a profession is too risk-free for the ganker and harmful to the target. Aranakas CEO of-áGreen Anarchy Green vs Green |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
599
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:24:00 -
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Zverofaust wrote:So apparently yesterday's patch introduced a secret shadow feature change, as CONCORD police will now insta-jam the moment they show up on grid. That was announced.
First hint: http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4972&tid=1
Patch Notes for Crucible 1.6 wrote:Miscellaneous * Pilots with a Global Criminal Countdown in high security space will be prevented from warping (if they are in any ship other than a capsule). This is to prevent a tactic declared to be an exploit recently. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6064
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:25:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:About time this change was made. Suicide ganking as a profession is too risk-free for the ganker and harmful to the target. This doesn't change the risk for suicide gankers in any way, you knowGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:26:00 -
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Trolololol? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:30:00 -
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Was removed because pilots would warp point to point to point and nail people even on the same grid.
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
209
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:31:00 -
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It wasn't a shadow nerf, you are just ******* clueless. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
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Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
169
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:33:00 -
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CCP is letting goons know that the space police are ready. HTFU goons, htfu... "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Zverofaust
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:34:00 -
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People, I said Jam, not scram, not damp, not whatever else. Jamming means literally only one thing. They instantly ECM jam you the moment they appear on grid. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
241
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:37:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:It wasn't a shadow nerf, you are just ******* clueless. Not empty quoting. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:38:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:Zverofaust wrote:So apparently yesterday's patch introduced a secret shadow feature change, as CONCORD police will now insta-jam the moment they show up on grid. About time this change was made. Suicide ganking as a profession is too risk-free for the ganker and harmful to the target.
So the certainty of losing your ship once you aggress is not a risk? What is wrong with you people? |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
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Posted - 2012.04.13 18:39:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Aranakas wrote:Zverofaust wrote:So apparently yesterday's patch introduced a secret shadow feature change, as CONCORD police will now insta-jam the moment they show up on grid. About time this change was made. Suicide ganking as a profession is too risk-free for the ganker and harmful to the target. So the certainty of losing your ship once you aggress is not a risk? What is wrong with you people?
He means real risk, like tanking low level belt NPCs and mining roids that can't defend themselves. Duh. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:36:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Aruken Marr wrote:Aranakas wrote:Zverofaust wrote:So apparently yesterday's patch introduced a secret shadow feature change, as CONCORD police will now insta-jam the moment they show up on grid. About time this change was made. Suicide ganking as a profession is too risk-free for the ganker and harmful to the target. So the certainty of losing your ship once you aggress is not a risk? What is wrong with you people? He means real risk, like tanking low level belt NPCs and mining roids that can't defend themselves. Duh.
Empire is a dangerous place to be an poor little asteroid. Unless you're Omber, then you'll be fine. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:46:00 -
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Zverofaust wrote:People, I said Jam, not scram, not damp, not whatever else. Jamming means literally only one thing. They instantly ECM jam you the moment they appear on grid. Then you should bug report it, because that's not what's supposed to happen. You're still meant to have the entire n second period to kill your target GÇö you just not meant to be able to boomerang your way to escape.
Most likely, they forgot that the scram ships also jam, and will have to remove that functionality from them. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:02:00 -
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Sweet...go CONCORD! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:10:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Aranakas wrote:Zverofaust wrote:So apparently yesterday's patch introduced a secret shadow feature change, as CONCORD police will now insta-jam the moment they show up on grid. About time this change was made. Suicide ganking as a profession is too risk-free for the ganker and harmful to the target. So the certainty of losing your ship once you aggress is not a risk? What is wrong with you people?
When something will happen 100% certainty ... its not a risk. The risk is 0 ... less then carebearing or mining.
Suicide ganking is the most risk-free activity in the whole game. |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:18:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:
So the certainty of losing your ship once you aggress is not a risk? What is wrong with you people?
Losing your ship is a business cost when you're a suicide ganker, you undock with the sole intent of ruining someone's day and in the full knowledge that you are going to lose your ship, that is not a risk. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:25:00 -
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Cedo Nulli wrote:When something will happen 100% certainty ... its not a risk. The risk is 0 No. When something will happen with 100% certainty, the risk is 100%. That's how risk works: [probability] +ù [cost].
If the risk is zero, it's because the risk is zero, and that can only really happen if the gank is 100% certain to return more ISK than was spent on itGǪ and that certainty isn't 100% simply because the drop mechanics won't let it.
Anyway, as mentioned: it's a bug. Report it as such. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Nub Sauce
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:35:00 -
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Are you saying an unintended, exploitable, game mechanic was fixed?
If so, how dare they?! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6067
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:44:00 -
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Nub Sauce wrote:Are you saying an unintended, exploitable, game mechanic was fixed?
If so, how dare they?! No, he's saying that a fix to an exploit had unintended consequences.
The fix was to keep ships from warping off; what is apparently happening is that it keeps ships from shooting. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
297
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Cedo Nulli wrote:When something will happen 100% certainty ... its not a risk. The risk is 0 No. When something will happen with 100% certainty, the risk is 100%. That's how risk works: [probability] +ù [cost]. If the risk is zero, it's because the risk is zero, and that can only really happen if the gank is 100% certain to return more ISK than was spent on itGǪ and that certainty isn't 100% simply because the drop mechanics won't let it. Anyway, as mentioned: it's a bug. Report it as such.
Nicely put.
The lack of reasoning coming from the carebear community is astounding.
Suppose you bring a 1650 DPS Talos crashing down on an untanked Mackinaw. Once you start shooting, the Mackinaw's chance of survival is basically zero (unless the node crashes).
Using their insane logic: Because the miner has essentially 0% chance of surviving the encounter - same as the ganker, the miner is, likewise, 'not taking a risk'.
If the miner isn't risking anything, what are they whining about?
EDIT: And yes, doesn't make sense that Concord jams instantly - it would make ganking in Catalysts nearly impossible. Haven't tried it myself since the last wave of nerfs....haven't even logged in lately. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
401
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:50:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:CCP also is nerfing nullsec pvp by getting rid of hellcats, alpha fleets, etc.
thats a hell of a crusade yer on lol Every "stealth nerf" thread ends up with a post on this
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:51:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Nicely put. GǪexcept I accidentally wrote GÇ£riskGÇ¥ a second time when I mean GÇ£costGÇ¥. Fixed now. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
401
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:53:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:CCP is letting goons know that the space police are ready. HTFU goons, htfu...
dunno; telling the guys with infinite money to htfu cause theyre losing ships they have infinite monies to replace... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
59
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Cedo Nulli wrote:When something will happen 100% certainty ... its not a risk. The risk is 0 No. When something will happen with 100% certainty, the risk is 100%. That's how risk works: [probability] +ù [cost]. If the risk is zero, it's because the risk is zero, and that can only really happen if the gank is 100% certain to return more ISK than was spent on itGǪ and that certainty isn't 100% simply because the drop mechanics won't let it. Anyway, as mentioned: it's a bug. Report it as such.
Exactly. I'm not sure why someone would think that the certainty of losing your ship is not a risk. Obviously people factor that into their marks, but still there's the chance it will go horribly wrong like the loot not dropping or someone else scooping it up instead.
Again: What is wrong with these people? |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
401
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:55:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:....haven't even logged in lately.
as usual, trolling forums is more fun than the game https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
297
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Posted - 2012.04.13 21:10:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:....haven't even logged in lately. as usual, trolling forums is more fun than the game
Yeah, more or less. Getting my Battlefield 3 on lately, waiting for CCP to get off their nerf-a-day kick. We'll see where things stand once the rules of the game stabilize. Mildly curious to see if the bots I spent 4 months petitioning will still be there when I start up miner-ganking operations again.
Oh, and I think the OP is mistaken - as I clearly see people on the Killboards solo-killing Hulks with Catalysts. An insta-jam would make this impossible.
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