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Arthur Hellsing
Desert Lions
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:14:00 -
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Is there a ship that shield tanks and uses energy based weapons for fighting? I browsed the market for over an hour and could not find one. Anyone know what ship can do this well? (Getting bonuses from the ship class skill for weapons dmg, or fire rate, etc.) |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:22:00 -
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Sansha ships maybe? Is that what you were looking for (laser boats built for shield tanking)? |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:23:00 -
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Arthur Hellsing wrote:Is there a ship that shield tanks and uses energy based weapons for fighting? I browsed the market for over an hour and could not find one. Anyone know what ship can do this well? (Getting bonuses from the ship class skill for weapons dmg, or fire rate, etc.)
That would be the province of the Sansha pirate faction, I believe.
Ex: Phantasm
Special Ability: 100% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret tracking per level Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage per level
Shield base HP: 2400
Mid slots: 6
Weirdly the primary resists are still on the armor, but you can't win 'em all. Still better for shield tank than armor. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:25:00 -
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You spent over an hour looking at the market and you didn't come across the Sansha ships?
Blimey. I think you might need glasses, or new ones if you already have them. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.04.13 20:26:00 -
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Sansha ships do: Succubus, Phantasm, Nightmare.
I have also seen an arguably successful Myrmidon setup involving a shield tank and lasers. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Katalci
Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.15 01:32:00 -
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Arthur Hellsing wrote:Weirdly the primary resists are still on the armor, but you can't win 'em all. Still better for shield tank than armor. Unhardened t1 armor resists are better than t1 shield
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Sansha ships do: Succubus, Phantasm, Nightmare.
I have also seen an arguably successful Myrmidon setup involving a shield tank and lasers. Please link this comedy killmail. |
Jorma Amatin
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.15 02:15:00 -
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I've seen the battleclinic fits for shield modules in the midslots, but usually people either will fit projectiles on them or hybrids.
But as the topic has already answered, sansha ships fly shield tanked and laser-based. The way they can run the capacitor need is because they have their role bonus (like the nightmare's marauder-like bonus). |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.04.15 03:50:00 -
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Supposedly a Harb can be fit for a shield tank.
But really, go with Sansha if you like shields and lasers.
Me personally... I armor tank my Sansha stuff. Still working on one for the Phantasm... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.15 05:17:00 -
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The Apocalypse and Apocalypse Navy Issue can actually make pretty decent shield tanked fits.
Compare these two fits:
[Apocalypse, Passive Shield Apoc] Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Algid Energy Administrations Unit I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
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[Apocalypse, Passive Armor Apoc] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
CPU makes it difficult to fit Amarr ships for shield (as well as the obvious lack of mid slots) but even without the third large CDFE the shield Apocalypse manages to hit about 94.8k EHP, compared to the armor's 99k. Both do the same amount of damage but the shield Apoc has better damage projection because of the three TEs. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. |
Aluka 7th
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:45:00 -
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You "can" shield tank anything but rule of thumb is that ship with more mid slots then low slots and/or more shield HP then armor hp are meant to be shield tanked. Pirate faction ships that use skill of Amarr and Caldari are what you need like people said before: Nightmare Phantasm Succubus And only Nightmare can use active shield tank well, other two are better when passive shield tanked. |
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:54:00 -
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Katalci wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Sansha ships do: Succubus, Phantasm, Nightmare.
I have also seen an arguably successful Myrmidon setup involving a shield tank and lasers. Please link this comedy killmail.
It's actually not as dumb as it sounds. The Myrm doesn't have any turret bonuses so you can use whatever weapon system you'd like (sans missiles). The only problem you really have that your capacitor power might die before the fight is over.
[Myrmidon - SexyshieldsofBeamingDestruction]
[Highs] Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency) Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency) Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency) Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency) Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency) Heavy Pulse Laser II (Multifrequency)
[Mids] Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Extender I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Extender I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
[Lows] Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Reactor Control Unit II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II
[Rigs] Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Shield Extender I Medium Core Defense Shield Extender I
[Drones] 1x Hobgoblin II 2x Valkyrie II 2x Berserker II
Notes: - VERY tight fit... it needs Advanced Weapon Upgrades to level 5. - Has around 55k EHP. - Deals around 500 DPS (~300 of which comes from turrets alone) around 10km. - Using Scorch ammo you can hit out to 30km. Change isn't bad... but it isn't always good. Somtimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:22:00 -
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Laser Rokh? |
Wyte Ragnarok
26
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:23:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote: It's actually not as dumb as it sounds. The Myrm doesn't have any turret bonuses so you can use whatever weapon system you'd like (sans missiles). The only problem you really have that your capacitor power might die before the fight is over.
It actually is as dumb as it sounds, please meet my neuts. If anything, fit autocannons on a Myrm. |
Tash'k Omar
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
8
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Posted - 2012.04.15 11:38:00 -
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Arthur Hellsing wrote:Is there a ship that shield tanks and uses energy based weapons for fighting? I browsed the market for over an hour and could not find one. Anyone know what ship can do this well? (Getting bonuses from the ship class skill for weapons dmg, or fire rate, etc.)
Nightmare. |
Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.04.15 12:50:00 -
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Succubus, Pantasm, Nightmare Omen, Harbinger, Zealot Merlin, Moa Rax |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:52:00 -
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Katalci wrote: Please link this comedy killmail.
I tried flying it myself once, but ran headfirst into a Mach. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10867925
It's like a nano cane that is a bit slower and a bit tankier, but with a ton more damage. It also lent itself to an awesome screenshot. http://www.rifterlings.com/gallery/var/albums/gallente-victor.jpg Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Perihelion Olenard
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.16 11:16:00 -
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Unfortunately, you still would have been destroyed if that machariel wasn't there. |
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