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Ava Baby
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Posted - 2008.12.27 00:08:00 -
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How the hell do they work?
Just hey I'll research **** for you and let it go?
Originally by: Asestorian I support this message. Whatever it is.
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Arkeladin
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Posted - 2008.12.27 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Baby Edited by: Ava Baby on 27/12/2008 00:23:55 How the hell do they work?
Just say hey I'll research **** for you and let the RP roll in?
Kinda.
To get a R&D agent of a particular level to ork for you, you have to:
1) have the required standing with the corp he's a part of; 2) Be trained in the skills that he will research for you (skills that cost 3-4 mill each)
At that point, he will talk to you and you can "employ" him. Once you do, you start earing Research Points (RPs) with that agent. RPs aren't transferable, and if you ever have that agent stop working for you, you LOSE any RPs with him that you have accululated.
RPs can be redeemed with that agent for datacores of the skills he supports. These datacores are used during the t2 invention process, so you can either use them yourself OR sell 'em on the market for ISK.
Once a RL day the agent will send you a (usually easy) mission to do, which you can do or ignore as you will. Doing the mission for him will DOUBLE the RP you get for that day, so if you're serious it's a good idea to do the mission. You lose nothing if you don't though.
that's bhow the system works - you can make a steeady profit with it, IF you have enough agents working for you AND you regularly collect the cores. The agents will continue working for you until YOU tell them to stop, accumulating RPs all the while.
I don't know of the RPs still accumulate when you're not subscribed - havent' heard either way. They used tot hough - there's a apocryphal take going around of a guy who unsubbed for three months and came back to nearly a billion's worth of datacores.
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2008.12.27 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Arkeladin
Originally by: Ava Baby Edited by: Ava Baby on 27/12/2008 00:23:55 How the hell do they work?
Just say hey I'll research **** for you and let the RP roll in?
Kinda.
To get a R&D agent of a particular level to ork for you, you have to:
1) have the required standing with the corp he's a part of; 2) Be trained in the skills that he will research for you (skills that cost 3-4 mill each)
At that point, he will talk to you and you can "employ" him. Once you do, you start earing Research Points (RPs) with that agent. RPs aren't transferable, and if you ever have that agent stop working for you, you LOSE any RPs with him that you have accululated.
RPs can be redeemed with that agent for datacores of the skills he supports. These datacores are used during the t2 invention process, so you can either use them yourself OR sell 'em on the market for ISK.
Once a RL day the agent will send you a (usually easy) mission to do, which you can do or ignore as you will. Doing the mission for him will DOUBLE the RP you get for that day, so if you're serious it's a good idea to do the mission. You lose nothing if you don't though.
that's bhow the system works - you can make a steeady profit with it, IF you have enough agents working for you AND you regularly collect the cores. The agents will continue working for you until YOU tell them to stop, accumulating RPs all the while.
I don't know of the RPs still accumulate when you're not subscribed - havent' heard either way. They used tot hough - there's a apocryphal take going around of a guy who unsubbed for three months and came back to nearly a billion's worth of datacores.
I have a bit of a follow up if train up 3 guys in one account (iknow only one at a time) have 2 accounts and then use the mains to get the standings for all the alts will i end up with total of 6 guys sucking datacores for me. More simply put will all 3 toons provided they have all max ammount of rd agents continue to gain RP's
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21 Salvager
Minmatar Moons of Pluto Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2008.12.27 06:47:00 -
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Yes, you can be getting RP (and thus cores) from all 3 characters on you account at once. You even get RP while the account is inactive, since they didn't disable that when they disabled ghost training. ----- I'm a collector! Want to trade? See my Collection List and contact me. |
Ava Baby
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.27 18:27:00 -
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Thanks guys. That's a good idea about training alts to get RP as well.
Originally by: Asestorian I support this message. Whatever it is.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.27 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Baby Thanks guys. That's a good idea about training alts to get RP as well.
Just to put some number on it: for a character with 5 R&D agents you need 2-3 months of training and about 100 millions in implants and skills. The return is about 3 million day if you sell the datacores. Double that if you run the R&D mission too.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.28 01:13:00 -
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Research is a waste of time but you dont need special implant for R&D, that guy is twisting the truth to scare you off.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Ava Baby
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.28 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Research is a waste of time but you dont need special implant for R&D, that guy is twisting the truth to scare you off.
hehe no problem i was just wondering about it because I have a guy that can do (some) research so I figured I'll just get him rolling on that while he sits there and does nothing.
Originally by: Asestorian I support this message. Whatever it is.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.28 08:56:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 28/12/2008 09:01:26
Originally by: Ghoest Research is a waste of time but you dont need special implant for R&D, that guy is twisting the truth to scare you off.
Try training your alt without +3 implants and we will see if you don't need them.
edit: just for comparison, without impants - plan without learning skills 84 days 19 hours, plan with learning implants 76 days. To me 12 days of training are well worth 30 millions
Add 40 millions for research project management, 10 millions for each scientific field you want to train, the skillbooks for the odd prerequisites you are missing and you will reach 100 millions in expenses very fast.
If you want you can spend a bit less and buy only the intelligence and memory implants, but, as it is better to have a character capable of doing the R&D missions and the courier mission for the storylines you will get some training in things like industrials, mining and navigation is useful. Plus the social skill to get your standing up faster.
If he has only one account those skills are even more mandatory, as he will need them to do the missions required to get his standing with the R&D corporations.
A character created for R&D, training only mechanical engineering and with +3 implants from day one will require a bit more than 42 days to get mechanical engineering 4 and 5 agents and 50 millions in skillbooks + approximatly 9 millions for each basic skillbook you decide to buy.
Then another 27+ days for Mech Eng 5 and mech eng 5 mean a difference of about 30 RP for each agent, so approximatly 1 million/day. (time and cost desumed by EVEMON)
Learning the int/mem base skils to 4 and advanced to 3 will reduce the time to 63 days, 21 hours total (40 days if you limit yourself to ME 4) and move the cost of the needed skillbooks for this bare bone plan at 60 millions.
So a minimum of 68 millions and 42 days will get you approximately 2 millions day (me4), a more reasonable option (int/mem/cha implant) and advanced learning skills will cost about 87 millions, require 64 days (me 5) and give you approximately 3 millions day.
Final note: to get the 3 millions day you need to select the corporation or corporations with the best level 4 agents in the relevant field.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.28 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 28/12/2008 09:01:26
Originally by: Ghoest Research is a waste of time but you dont need special implant for R&D, that guy is twisting the truth to scare you off.
Try training your alt without +3 implants and we will see if you don't need them.
edit: just for comparison, without impants - plan without learning skills 84 days 19 hours, plan with learning implants 76 days. To me 12 days of training are well worth 30 millions
Add 40 millions for research project management, 10 millions for each scientific field you want to train, the skillbooks for the odd prerequisites you are missing and you will reach 100 millions in expenses very fast.
If you want you can spend a bit less and buy only the intelligence and memory implants, but, as it is better to have a character capable of doing the R&D missions and the courier mission for the storylines you will get some training in things like industrials, mining and navigation is useful. Plus the social skill to get your standing up faster.
If he has only one account those skills are even more mandatory, as he will need them to do the missions required to get his standing with the R&D corporations.
A character created for R&D, training only mechanical engineering and with +3 implants from day one will require a bit more than 42 days to get mechanical engineering 4 and 5 agents and 50 millions in skillbooks + approximatly 9 millions for each basic skillbook you decide to buy.
Then another 27+ days for Mech Eng 5 and mech eng 5 mean a difference of about 30 RP for each agent, so approximatly 1 million/day. (time and cost desumed by EVEMON)
Learning the int/mem base skils to 4 and advanced to 3 will reduce the time to 63 days, 21 hours total (40 days if you limit yourself to ME 4) and move the cost of the needed skillbooks for this bare bone plan at 60 millions.
So a minimum of 68 millions and 42 days will get you approximately 2 millions day (me4), a more reasonable option (int/mem/cha implant) and advanced learning skills will cost about 87 millions, require 64 days (me 5) and give you approximately 3 millions day.
Final note: to get the 3 millions day you need to select the corporation or corporations with the best level 4 agents in the relevant field.
Why would you bother training any alt for any purpose with out plus 3s or better?
But even so this thread is not about alts specifically. Get a clue.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.12.28 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 28/12/2008 20:20:17
Originally by: Ava Baby Thanks guys. That's a good idea about training alts to get RP as well.
Originally by: Venkul Mul Just to put some number on it: for a character with 5 R&D agents you need 2-3 months of training and about 100 millions in implants and skills. The return is about 3 million day if you sell the datacores. Double that if you run the R&D mission too.
Originally by: Ghoest Research is a waste of time but you dont need special implant for R&D, that guy is twisting the truth to scare you off.
Originally by: Ghoest
Why would you bother training any alt for any purpose with out plus 3s or better?
But even so this thread is not about alts specifically. Get a clue.
It is about training characters for R&D (included multiples on the same account, i.e. alts). No idea why you get irritated by a complete cost/return comparison.
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Nephtali Zebulon
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Posted - 2008.12.29 17:07:00 -
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Thanks of those useful information colleagues.
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Whynot123456
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Posted - 2008.12.30 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dors Venabily
Originally by: Arkeladin
Kinda.
To get a R&D agent of a particular level to ork for you, you have to:
1) have the required standing with the corp he's a part of; 2) Be trained in the skills that he will research for you (skills that cost 3-4 mill each)
At that point, he will talk to you and you can "employ" him. Once you do, you start earing Research Points (RPs) with that agent. RPs aren't transferable, and if you ever have that agent stop working for you, you LOSE any RPs with him that you have accululated.
RPs can be redeemed with that agent for datacores of the skills he supports. These datacores are used during the t2 invention process, so you can either use them yourself OR sell 'em on the market for ISK.
Once a RL day the agent will send you a (usually easy) mission to do, which you can do or ignore as you will. Doing the mission for him will DOUBLE the RP you get for that day, so if you're serious it's a good idea to do the mission. You lose nothing if you don't though.
that's bhow the system works - you can make a steeady profit with it, IF you have enough agents working for you AND you regularly collect the cores. The agents will continue working for you until YOU tell them to stop, accumulating RPs all the while.
I don't know of the RPs still accumulate when you're not subscribed - havent' heard either way. They used tot hough - there's a apocryphal take going around of a guy who unsubbed for three months and came back to nearly a billion's worth of datacores.
I have a bit of a follow up if train up 3 guys in one account (iknow only one at a time) have 2 accounts and then use the mains to get the standings for all the alts will i end up with total of 6 guys sucking datacores for me. More simply put will all 3 toons provided they have all max ammount of rd agents continue to gain RP's
The catch is you need faction standing too nowadays to use a R&D agent. That means that every toon needs to do the missions himself, else he will not get any storylines and hence will not get any faction standing.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.30 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Whynot123456
The catch is you need faction standing too nowadays to use a R&D agent. That means that every toon needs to do the missions himself, else he will not get any storylines and hence will not get any faction standing.
Not so much of a problem if you run the R&D missions. They count for the 16 missions for a storyline, and enough storylines are simple courier jobs or can be done by the main character.
The only problems is when you get a storyline that require killing faction ships of one of the factions your main wish to keep up.
I had tons of "Materials for war preparation" storylines through my R&D alts.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.30 22:22:00 -
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I though you could only get 1 mission a day per R&D agent.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2008.12.30 22:28:00 -
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1 per day per character. If you have research alts, each of them can do his own mission. So even if they're running no other missions, they'll get one storyline every 16 days, if the do a mission for the R&D agent every day. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.31 02:34:00 -
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Mant months till get enough faction for good agents at that rate.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.31 14:59:00 -
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You train research project management to 3 or 4 even if you have low skill in the science skill and get 4-5 low level agents fast, you check the system where you do the mission so that you get the storyline from an agent in the same corporation.
With 5 agents you get 1 storyline every 3 days and some. You can hit the non combat agents for hauling missions too. If you are careful in timing your missions so that you will always get the storyline from an agent of the right corporation, you will rise your standing pretty fast.
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Athar Mu
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.01 14:43:00 -
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To add to the questions already asked, I have standings with Lai Dai, so it says I can use an R&D agent and research Caldari Starship Engineering, Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering, Graviton Physics or Molecular Engineering, which out of these is more profitable?
I wont be using the datacores myself yet so I was thinking of selling them, which is better to use?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.01.01 15:07:00 -
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Just look at the market and do the math - thats easy.
Prices vary over time so there is no set answer.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Athar Mu
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.01 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Just look at the market and do the math - thats easy.
Prices vary over time so there is no set answer.
Do all datacores cost the same RP? ie 150? Cos thats how much my Caldari Starship Engineering ones cost.
Thanks.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2009.01.01 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Athar Mu
Originally by: Ghoest Just look at the market and do the math - thats easy.
Prices vary over time so there is no set answer.
Do all datacores cost the same RP? ie 150? Cos thats how much my Caldari Starship Engineering ones cost.
Thanks.
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Lord Zarcam
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.01 22:28:00 -
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How many R&D agents can one character has working for them at one time?
And how or where do I find out what skills an agent requires?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.01 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Athar Mu
Originally by: Ghoest Just look at the market and do the math - thats easy.
Prices vary over time so there is no set answer.
Do all datacores cost the same RP? ie 150? Cos thats how much my Caldari Starship Engineering ones cost.
Thanks.
some research field has a multiplier on the RP produced (all the starship engineering have a x3, some other a x2), but the correspondent datacore cost more (again x3 and x2), so it has no real effect on datacore production.
It is only a left over from the BPO lotto, as it was there to balance the lotto extraction for researcher with narrow fields (for example Caldari starships, allowing only to try for Caldari starship BPO, and mechanical engineering gave you tickets in a lot of modules and starships of all the races).
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