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Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:37:00 -
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I ganked a mackinkaw, I docked up and got into a new ship and when I undocked i was told i can't warp until a 15 minute timer is up? This must be a new feature, is there any way to do a gank in hi-sec more than once every 15 minutes? What happens if you use an orca to jetison the ships and you jump into them while still global flagged to concord, you will be unable to warp again?
What about using an orca and jumping into the destroyer in the belt right next to your target whilst global flagged, will that work? lol |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
174
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:46:00 -
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The carebears won. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.14 00:48:00 -
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Parking an orca next to your gank targets then warping in the ganker and jumping into the destroyer next to the target, will that work? No need to warp, you enter the ship next to the target. Or is there something i am missing? |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
543
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Posted - 2012.04.14 01:25:00 -
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You need to give credit where it is due.
*holds up a picture, then gives one thumb*
This guy!
So remember to send this dude a thank you email, before he sets his CSPA charge higher. Thanks to him, you can now only gank 4 times an hour. |
Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.14 01:40:00 -
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Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters.
Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore? |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.04.14 01:58:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore? Don't know, but just confirmed what you said in OP. Its a limit to how often you can gank, so pick your targets for value instead of lulz. You are not intended to run rampant and gank as many as possible in the shortest time span...which I belive will just push Hulkageddon into overtime!
And ganking itself nevered changed, its just more risky for you. ^^ incase thread turns into bunch of whiners complaining CCP is out to protect carebears....its to just reduce the collateral damage that you (the players!) can cause not out right stop it! |
Helios Black
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:13:00 -
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Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore?
So the "global criminal cooldown" is finally working properly and stopping you from avoiding its repercussions and you're upset?
HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:51:00 -
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Helios Black wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore? So the "global criminal cooldown" is finally working properly and stopping you from avoiding its repercussions and you're upset? HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA It's not working. CCP just declared it as an exploit because they can't be bothered to make it work. |
Megos Adriano
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.14 04:57:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:You need to give credit where it is due. *holds up a picture, then gives one thumb* This guy!So remember to send this dude a thank you email, before he sets his CSPA charge higher. Thanks to him, you can now only gank 4 times an hour.
That guy. He sound so... whiny.
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Makkaz
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 06:12:00 -
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Megos Adriano wrote:Aqriue wrote:You need to give credit where it is due. *holds up a picture, then gives one thumb* This guy!So remember to send this dude a thank you email, before he sets his CSPA charge higher. Thanks to him, you can now only gank 4 times an hour. That guy. He sound so... whiny.
I love that thread till ccp killjoy locked the thread
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
621
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Posted - 2012.04.14 06:18:00 -
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Used to be if you even undocked in a new ship they blasted you. Gankers got a free ride for a few years. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
298
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Posted - 2012.04.14 11:54:00 -
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Sad, braindead miners:
I'd looooove to take credit for that nerf.
But sadly I can't. Smodab Ongalot deserves that honor.
In reality, his tactics were nerfed twice.
-First, CCP stealth sped up Concord's response time when boarding a new ship then warping while GCCed. -then, they made it impossible to board or eject from a ship in space, while GCC'd. -they swapped the mandatory GCC pop-up default from 'yes' to 'no'. -they prevented warping away after a gank. (even though the 'exploit' was shooting after warping, not just warping) -they disabled the Orca's fitting service.
All within the space of a few weeks - from a company that can't be bothered to even fix the Orca's bugged 'stealth' cargobay.
Of course, making some of our ganking tactics public was simply a clever ploy. My true purpose was to discover where CCP Devs live!
Answer: Inside whiny carebear assholes.
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MIkhail Illiad
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
16
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:16:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:The carebears won.
actually its more like somebody opened their mouth and blabbed... if you wanna blame someone blame the guys who made threads asking for dev opinions and others telling more people how to do it. vOv There once was an interesting signature here... It has long since disapeared.-á |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
299
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Posted - 2012.04.14 12:51:00 -
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MIkhail Illiad wrote:Tobiaz wrote:The carebears won. actually its more like somebody opened their mouth and blabbed... if you wanna blame someone blame the guys who made threads asking for dev opinions and others telling more people how to do it. vOv
No, blame CCP.
They would have discovered this anyway, simply because warping and ganking is a very visible action to everyone in a belt.
There was no need to nerf this, except to appease crybears who can't be bothered to tank.
Killing freighters wasn't even 'OP' - because the counter was SO easy: a random single frigate with a disruptor locking down the outlaw for a few seconds until Concord arrives. |
MIkhail Illiad
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
16
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Posted - 2012.04.14 13:22:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:MIkhail Illiad wrote:Tobiaz wrote:The carebears won. actually its more like somebody opened their mouth and blabbed... if you wanna blame someone blame the guys who made threads asking for dev opinions and others telling more people how to do it. vOv No, blame CCP. They would have discovered this anyway, simply because warping and ganking is a very visible action to everyone in a belt. There was no need to nerf this, except to appease crybears who can't be bothered to tank. Killing freighters wasn't even 'OP' - because the counter was SO easy: a random single frigate with a disruptor locking down the outlaw for a few seconds until Concord arrives.
Hmm you have valid points sir.
Not sure I agree about the freighter thing though, personally I think that was a step too far and the thing that forced CCP's hand in this matter. I don't think they cared about your usual hulks and haulers al that much until people started losing freighters, as everything seemed to accelerate after a forum post about highsec freighter ganks. Maybe that's just me though.
I do think there needs to be suicide ganking in New Eden tho, keeps people on their toes and it would be a shame to see it completely removed from the game. I've had some fun times blowing up unsuspecting peoples who thought they were safe in highsec (and also failed miserably to gank an a-type fit tengu that was running missions lol!) There once was an interesting signature here... It has long since disapeared.-á |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
299
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:05:00 -
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MIkhail Illiad wrote:
Hmm you have valid points sir.
Not sure I agree about the freighter thing though, personally I think that was a step too far and the thing that forced CCP's hand in this matter. I don't think they cared about your usual hulks and haulers al that much until people started losing freighters, as everything seemed to accelerate after a forum post about highsec freighter ganks. Maybe that's just me though.
Agreed. My own guess is that after locking the initial primer, they simply were going to stealth nerf it at some future point, possibly Inferno. The freighter kills (someone else - I hadn't made that particular leap, cool as it was) seemed to bring the emergency reaction.
I kind of hoped that there was a Dev or two that would have an open mind. But I was wrong.
The 'worst' case scenario that caused all the emo-rage? (even Red Frog threatened to 'shut down'....pathetic) A single Tornado killing a freighter.
To do that you
A) need someone to bump the freighter repeatedly. B) Tank the gate guns (no mean feat in a T3 BC) C) A lot of time, without interference from, well, anybody - on busy trade routes.
Anyone attempting it would be 'red'. A single escorting Rifter - or even just a bystander with a disruptor could easily thwart the attempt. Really, it was more of a parlor trick than anything else. If freighter pilots simply adjusted and used the tools they already had, rather than crying to mommy, boomeranging a freighter would fail every time.
Would that make AFK flying freighters dangerous? Yes. Would that mean Freighters would require escorts in highsec? Probably.
Are either of those things 'bad for the game'? Not at all. Just a minor inconvenience for freighter pilots who are addicted to easy AFK trading profits with no risk. I know, I fly them - and have lost a couple myself.
Whats kind of sad - is that it would have even provided an interesting opportunity for younger pilots to work as highsec freighter escorts....thats REAL game content, not BS like manufactured 'ooh-scary Incursions' or LVL 4 missions. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:16:00 -
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Space WOW |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:17:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Sad, braindead miners:
** snip **
Answer: Inside whiny carebear assholes.[/b]
Miners are risking themselves to mine, but you don't want to risk your precious ship and ISK to kill miners.
This is a sad day when tables have turned and gankers are whining and carebearing more than the miners themselves.
Geeze... stop the drama already. You are disgracing the ganking profession. Your tears can fill oceans man. oceans! And you have only yourself to blame.
P.S To be honest, sometimes I feel like you are a carebear yourself, whom got ganked that way and came to "tell us" about it in the hope CCP close that door. Else I don't see the reason for the so much forum warrioring from your side about it. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
299
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Posted - 2012.04.14 14:55:00 -
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Mokanor Lenak wrote:
Miners are risking themselves to mine, but you don't want to risk your precious ship and ISK to kill miners.
What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this.
Since it only took you one sentence to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance - the rest of us can safely ignore anything else you say - until you demonstrate that you actually know something. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
551
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Posted - 2012.04.14 18:49:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:
Miners are risking themselves to mine, but you don't want to risk your precious ship and ISK to kill miners.
What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this. Since it only took you one sentence to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance - the rest of us can safely ignore anything else you say - until you demonstrate that you actually know something. But extending the ability to prevent from getting ganked by CONCORD is an exploit of mechanics
- While in warp, they can't target you. ^^ oops, sorry to point that out. Couple of extra seconds everytime you warped - CONCORD has response time, not kill time. ^^ oops, sorry to point that out. CONCORD responds by arriving on grid and can be pulled away. Since CONCORD needs a few seconds to arrive and lock your ass down...but you evaded it...you extended it and run rampant.
End result - You found a loophole. CCP said you can't evade CONCORD, but it doesn't say you can't extend that evasion either. They had to finally close that loophole to "One strike, BOOM!" They didn't remove ganking or give immunity, they just require that you find a more worthwile target when you do it and strike hard...then thats it, you don't get a free refill after refill of killmails like its a fast food resturant after buying one drink (or in this case, free ship kills after buying it once) until you toss the cup into the trash (CONCORD blowing up your ship in this case) |
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Eryn Velasquez
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.04.14 19:07:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote: What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this.
ROFL - it's so simple to avoid this risk. If you're definitely gonna lose your ship - just don't do it. Risk minimized to zero. Suicide gankers - Silly griefing kiddies, annoying like dog poop under my shoes |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
300
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Posted - 2012.04.14 20:06:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:
Miners are risking themselves to mine, but you don't want to risk your precious ship and ISK to kill miners.
What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this. Since it only took you one sentence to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance - the rest of us can safely ignore anything else you say - until you demonstrate that you actually know something. But extending the ability to prevent from getting ganked by CONCORD is an exploit of mechanics - While in warp, they can't target you. ^^ oops, sorry to point that out. Couple of extra seconds everytime you warped - CONCORD has response time, not kill time. ^^ oops, sorry to point that out. CONCORD responds by arriving on grid and can be pulled away. Since CONCORD needs a few seconds to arrive and lock your ass down...but you evaded it...you extended it and run rampant. End result - You found a loophole. CCP said you can't evade CONCORD, but it doesn't say you can't extend that evasion either. They had to finally close that loophole to "One strike, BOOM!" They didn't remove ganking or give immunity, they just require that you find a more worthwile target when you do it and strike hard...then thats it, you don't get a free refill after refill of killmails like its a fast food resturant after buying one drink (or in this case, free ship kills after buying it once) until you toss the cup into the trash (CONCORD blowing up your ship in this case)
NOW its an exploit. Between Dec and the end of March it was perfectly legal. CCP modified their 'Concord' policy retroactively to include the tactic. If it WAS an exploit, I'd be banned right now. But I'm not. Explain it, if you feel otherwise.
Either way, when idiots say stuff like "you just don't want to lose your ship, hur hur", it implies a complete lack of understanding of the topic. You ALWAYS risk your ship, because it always dies. Your return on that risk may vary, but you still take that risk because Concord kills you 100% of the time.
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DU1 -Sia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.14 20:50:00 -
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Ok Herr lets ignore your clever excuse on why it wasn't an exploit... but.
In the opener of the other thread you had this paragraph under your "strategic plan".
"Thus: I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking. Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings."
That paragraph clearly and distinctly shows your intention, is not to play the game, but to grief new players until they quit. Very specifically. Also it shows you support the use of bots.
Your just a prat who has forgotten that this is a game, and seriously if your gonna come play with a second agenda to why your here... maybe hiding it more? |
Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
19
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Posted - 2012.04.14 21:32:00 -
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What we have here is double speak. On one hand CCP says you are not intended to be completely safe in high sec, only "safer." On the other, they nerf nerf nerf in to the ground anything whining carecunts in high sec cry about for years. It's double speak. Just come out CCP and state that you have gone from hard core cutting edge and dangerous to wimpy. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
482
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Posted - 2012.04.14 21:47:00 -
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Helios Black wrote:Suddenly Boom wrote:Awesome, so the only way to gank more than 4 times an hour is to have multiple ganking characters. You can't board a ship in space while on global criminal countdown, so orca doesn't work.
What about concord, Is it even possible to get concord out of the belt anymore? So the "global criminal cooldown" is finally working properly and stopping you from avoiding its repercussions and you're upset? HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
this |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
301
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Posted - 2012.04.14 22:35:00 -
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DU1 -Sia wrote:Ok Herr lets ignore your clever excuse on why it wasn't an exploit... but.
In the opener of the other thread you had this paragraph under your "strategic plan".
"Thus: I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking. Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings."
That paragraph clearly and distinctly shows your intention, is not to play the game, but to grief new players until they quit. Very specifically. Also it shows you support the use of bots.
Your just a prat who has forgotten that this is a game, and seriously if your gonna come play with a second agenda to why your here... maybe hiding it more?
I believe less carebears is good for EVE. Because less whining carebears mean CCP Devs will cater to them less. Miners tend to be carebears. Bots hurt miners even more than gankers, by injuring their income rate/hr. Notice I didn't say that I was going to start botting myself - I just choose to leave them alone, while exclusively ganking 'actual' players.
Make sense now? Glad I could help. |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.04.15 04:07:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:
Miners are risking themselves to mine, but you don't want to risk your precious ship and ISK to kill miners.
What rock did you crawl out from under? Suicide ganking, boomeranging or not - you still lose your ship. The risk of losing it is 100%. Everyone but you knows this. Since it only took you one sentence to demonstrate the depth of your ignorance - the rest of us can safely ignore anything else you say - until you demonstrate that you actually know something.
Don't be stupid. Or better yet, be less stupid.
You were crying about losing your ship modules to some orca, you were crying about being podded by a "white knight", you were crying about being held from ganking by concord. You were crying.
Those are the risks I'm talking about. Warping away to die in another place to not lose your precious modules, or better yet, warping away to unfit your ship, or even better, spending 15 minutes warping to not losing your ship at all. All of these are reducing the risk to almost zero.
Now you have to die, where you ganked, with the risk of being podded yourself, which is working as intended, which is what you are crying about.
So TL;DR: Cry some more friend Miners are not as much carebears as you think they are. You on the other hand are a bigger teddy bear than them all together. |
SB Rico
the united Negative Ten.
3
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Posted - 2012.04.15 10:07:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:Ok Herr lets ignore your clever excuse on why it wasn't an exploit... but.
In the opener of the other thread you had this paragraph under your "strategic plan".
"Thus: I plan to do my utmost to 'encourage' young mining carebears to quit the game via selective, predatory ganking. Effective immediately, all operations, reports, and petitions against mining botters will cease. No more 'padding' the KB with my new 'artificial friends'. In my view, mining bots are actually beneficial: They flood the market with minerals/ice and significantly depress 'real miner' earnings."
That paragraph clearly and distinctly shows your intention, is not to play the game, but to grief new players until they quit. Very specifically. Also it shows you support the use of bots.
Your just a prat who has forgotten that this is a game, and seriously if your gonna come play with a second agenda to why your here... maybe hiding it more? I believe less carebears is good for EVE. Because less whining carebears mean CCP Devs will cater to them less. Miners tend to be carebears. Bots hurt miners even more than gankers, by injuring their income rate/hr. Notice I didn't say that I was going to start botting myself - I just choose to leave them alone, while exclusively ganking 'actual' players. Make sense now? Glad I could help.
Err...
Less miners + no drone minerals would be a catastrophe.
After the next patch, no miners = no minerals = no ships on market
Sorry to say that even us griefers need miners not just as targets so driving them all out of the game to create some imaginary PVP utopia would be an extremely short-lived Pyrric victory.
CCP may sometimes overdo things in their favour but carebears are a necessary part of the economy.
What do the predators eat when the prey is gone? |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2012.04.15 12:51:00 -
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Mokanor Lenak wrote: Now you have to die, where you ganked, with the risk of being podded yourself, which is working as intended, which is what you are crying about.
Lets talk stupidity. Just about everything you said here is factually wrong. Far from crying - I'm actually laughing, partially at you and partially at CCP. I'll just leave it at that though. "working as intended" indeed. So what now, dumbass?
Besides, you, like most carebear scum, don't even understand what tears are. You are the 5 year old kid misusing swearwords he heard on TV - because he thought they were cool. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
302
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Posted - 2012.04.15 13:04:00 -
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SB Rico wrote:
Less miners + no drone minerals would be a catastrophe.
After the next patch, no miners = no minerals = no ships on market
Sorry to say that even us griefers need miners not just as targets so driving them all out of the game to create some imaginary PVP utopia would be an extremely short-lived Pyrric victory.
CCP may sometimes overdo things in their favour but carebears are a necessary part of the economy.
What do the predators eat when the prey is gone?
On the other hand (being a fair minded type) Miners need to accept that grifers are necessary for them too,
Griefers kill ships and control the number of miners... That's a good thing for the miners who survive.
We create demand for ships and reduce the amount of ore on the market so you can sell faster for a better price.
We all have our roles so lets stop whining on forums and complaining to CCP and get on with the serious business of internet spaceships.
I don't have a problem with industrial work. When we talk about carebears, its more of an attitude than an actual profession. There are plenty of miners out there who tank, stay alert, work as a team and protect their assets. I respect that and they usually do not get ganked unless I catch them napping.
Its the entitled 'I want to mine AFK at max yield without risk', 'Its no fair that I lost my 3B ISK Marauder because I shot at a looter', 'Freighters should be invulnerable in highsec' types that I really have an issue with.
Suicide ganks and Mission ninjas are ONLY threat that exist for these players currently - as remote and preventable risk as it is - yet they even want those removed as well. Its BS.
If evading a wardec wasn't as simple as dropping corp, warfare against industrial/economic targets might be viable without suicide ganking. But wardecs don't work that way, and probably won't in the future either. |
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