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UMEE
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:17:00 -
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why do i have to use a mic? why cant i just listen in? this has been my issue since the beginning of EVE. after my first month in this one corp, i liked the people and they liked me. one day the CEO convos me and says that "everyone would like to get to know you, why dont you just go out and get yourself a mic, it's only a few bucks?" the convo went on for about 15 minutes, and it was all him trying to convince me. I didnt feel that i had to justify my values, or enter a philosophical discussion. i did anyway, but it didnt end so well. i renew my account, try to get into another corp, and same BS.
my first question is this: why cant i play WITH, and not play with in order to BE? my thing is...i dont want to get to know you. i dont particularly like speaking to people whose faces i dont know over the phone. this is why im not a telemarketer. i certainly dont want to have to sell myself by allowing others to "get to know me" in order to enjoy this game in its full entirety. for me, this isnt a conduit through which i will form meaningful and/or lasting connections. i want to play.
my second question: what if i was a mute, or deaf? the people that i speak to like to say that im shy...but this isnt the case; i work in a very social profession. in addition, i went through all the normal developmental processes, and have what you may consider a normal life for a young adult. but what if I couldnt hear or speak? sometimes I wish people assumed this about me, for the purposes of playing this game.
the thing is, people aren't willing to compromise by at least acknowledging my values. i acknowledge theirs. for pvp ops i say: i'll listen in. i understand that decisions need to be made quickly. but why am i considered a deviant because i dont want to get to know you? ive been on TS before, i HAVE a mic. but 1) i dont want to listen to sad drunken asshats; this is not my idea of a party 2) 70% of the time, i cant make out what people are saying due to static/volume issues 3) i cant understand half the accents out there. 4) most importantly, i dont want to get to know anyone, or make "meaningful" connections with people that i will never meet. this is my value, but no one seems to want to respect that. but I have to respect everyone else's.
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Graelyn
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:21:00 -
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Enjoy solo play then. o/
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Tridik
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:22:00 -
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Go back to WoW.
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brinelan
Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:25:00 -
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Voice chat is becoming the norm in all online games, so you will have to accept that fact if you want to continue to play any type of game online because it is becoming more and more expected that you also use voice.
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Azia Burgi
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:27:00 -
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I agree with you. My last experience of TS was of various indistinguishable Americans swearing a lot. It just wasn't a pleasant experience. That coupled with the fact I work in a call centre. I have to wear a headset for a job, I don't want to come home and have to wear one to enjoy my eve time.
Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk BP Profit Calculator EVE Cemetery |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:27:00 -
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Find a corp that doesn't require it. I guess you're not interested in the rantings of imbeciles, either. The Ghost-training vote thread |
Ha'Uler
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:28:00 -
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It's really weird that you don't want to get to know people you'll spend many hours with over the course of months or even years. EVE is a hobby like every other one, and unless you want to do it alone you're forced to meet and get to know new people.
Why should people fly with you if you just want to be a recluse? For everyone I know, PVP is about the people they fly with, not who or what they actually kill. You're obviously an exception to that, but you need to realize that you don't fit into the usual corps then.
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Tu Pham
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:28:00 -
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Because, to many of the social misfits who play this game, EVE *is* their main venue for forming personal relationships. It's the same in most MMOs, though EVE seems to attract a particularly low quality of player. Just looks around in this forum for five minutes... |
UMEE
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:29:00 -
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im not expecting anyone to relate to me, per se.
and in case i wasnt clear, this isnt an "im quitting" post...but notice how im asking specific philosophical questions, hoping for a discussion.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 30/12/2008 20:36:18 Both nullsec entities I was a part of required mic use. Guess who always had an excuse not to use one?
edit: well not literally but I did have an aversion to them. They are really useful though for coordination since you can keep your hands at the controls instead of using them for typing stuff in comms channels. Also in a corp where the directors and established members and such have a long history together, as the core of RHN does, you hear some pretty lolful things coming over the mic.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:31:00 -
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You are not alone. I really dislike using voice comms for non-essential communications as well. I always make it clear to people that I fly with that, yes I will get on comms for essential ops where it is needed, but I don't talk much if at all. I really started feeling this way when the corp I was in at the time tried to force a rule of 'if you are in game you have to be on coms'. Well I told the CEO flat out that it was BS. There is no reason to be forced into using voice comms when they aren't necessary. For me the main contributing factor to this is that when I am playing eve, I am also chatting with my wife and keeping an eye on my kids and such, and putting on the headset creates a situation of isolation where I am paying more attention to what is going on in the coms than in real life around me. In addition to this, I just really don't like/feel comfortable with speaking to people I don't know/will never know IRL. I worked about 6 years doing telephone support for various companies and this more than anything helped to reinforce my dislike of this type of situation. But in short, I agree with the OP. Voice comms has its place in pvp combat situations, it is in no way essential for all other aspects of the game however, and it should be left to players to decide wether they want to spend all their time 'plugged in' to comms or not, and CEO's should respect this. <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein |
Belladona Grimm
Raven's Heart
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Belladona Grimm on 30/12/2008 20:32:17 I to, have had 'the talk'. But at least my CEO at the time wasn't a tool and didn't care if I just listened in. TBH, I've never done that, and the first time I"m told I need to is the same 10second block that I hit quit corp in.
I don't care if its 'the norm' or whatever, it is not and should not be a requirement. Thats like saying its the norm to to eat at McDonalds on Tuesday, so on Tuesday you haveto eat at McDonalds. If they want to get to know you, let their fingers do the talking.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:33:00 -
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As a CEO of a corporation I can understand where the OP is coming from.
I urge all my members to have mics as it is easier to speak something than to type it. However there are a few circumstances where a mic is not possible to have/use. I have someone in my corporation who is mute and can't use a mic, but she gets in vent and listens in and talks back in corp chat/fleet chat whatever.
Another member does not have a mic and has a fried sound card, so I'm not going to force them to go get a new sound card just so they can be in the corp.
At the end of the day it's all about where your goals are. If your goals are to have fun, then everyone should be having fun without needing to go "The extra mile" to fit in.
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UMEE
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard There is no reason to be forced into using voice comms when they aren't necessary. For me the main contributing factor to this is that when I am playing eve, I am also chatting with my wife and keeping an eye on my kids and such, and putting on the headset creates a situation of isolation where I am paying more attention to what is going on in the coms than in real life around me.
Thanks, this is my exact same situation. I dont want to isolate myself from people at home.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:34:00 -
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That was philosophical?
If you are handicap then no one will fault you for not being able to use a mic. Saying "I don't want to use it!" is not even in the same ball park.
No one can force you to use one, but many people do use TS/Vent to interact and they'll probably be wondering why you keep refusing to use it. Just find a corp that doesn't use it as the primary social tool.
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
Billy Sastard
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:41:00 -
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I find the whole 'its easier to speak something than type it' argument extremely irritating. How lazy can you be that typing a few words is that much of an effort?
I can see in a fast paced combat situation how voice communications is definitely easier. However it has been my experience that when things get exciting everyone (or at least 2 or 3 people) start jabbering at once and it would actually be simpler and clearer to have one person typing commands in fleet chat. <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein |
Ralarina
Caldari Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE im not expecting anyone to relate to me, per se.
and in case i wasnt clear, this isnt an "im quitting" post...but notice how im asking specific philosophical questions, hoping for a discussion.
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Originally by: UMEE I didnt feel that i had to justify my values, or enter a philosophical discussion.
So what you doing then? If you want that sort of discussion, it's better moved to Out of Pod, this isn't eve-related per se, it's about your RL psyche. --
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MooKids
Caldari Dark Echo Engineering
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:42:00 -
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I give you two scenarios, one with someone who uses a mic and one who decides to type.
w/ mic and voice chat "Help, I'm under attack, need assistance!"
w/o mic and typing "Help, I'm undwwwwwwwwww11234434dasawda" "Dammit, they killed me while I was typing!"
A mic allows for speedy communications and gets people's attention, while typing does not. -------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
UMEE
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Posted - 2008.12.30 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ralarina
Originally by: UMEE im not expecting anyone to relate to me, per se.
and in case i wasnt clear, this isnt an "im quitting" post...but notice how im asking specific philosophical questions, hoping for a discussion.
and yet
Originally by: UMEE I didnt feel that i had to justify my values, or enter a philosophical discussion.
So what you doing then? If you want that sort of discussion, it's better moved to Out of Pod, this isn't eve-related per se, it's about your RL psyche.
i dont understand what youre saying. with that im asking: why do i have to justify my values to play this game to its full extent? it's a game, not a political campaign. notice how in the next sentence i said i justified my values to him anyways.
this is EVE related because it's an issue preventing me from enjoying the game. rather, it's a mass-effect. so if i dont conform, i dont play. im asking why is this the case. my RL psyche is merely an example of a VALUE. point is i need to have a "correct" value to play the game I enjoy, and what would you call that?
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Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.30 21:06:00 -
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Maybe all you folks in this thread that are so against voice comms should form a corp together.
But you're the ****ing lepers of Eve as far as I'm concerned.
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Grek Forto
Truth And Rage
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Posted - 2008.12.30 21:06:00 -
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Using voice comms are very good because it allows you to stress certain points you wanna make. For example if you are a Fleet Commander. I don't see why you write all this on this particular forum but I can see that you don't wanna use voice comms and that is your own choice. Just don't expect people to put up with it at all times.
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.12.30 21:07:00 -
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So you are joining PvP corps and whining they want you to have a mic?
Join a carebear corp, they don't care but they won't PvP either.
PvP ops without a mic are suicide. Some time ago an experienced pvper joined our corp. Hostiles showed up so we asked him to FC for defense gang, first thing he did was kick out fleet members without mic.
--- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr |
Rana Ash
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.12.30 21:08:00 -
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I have been in 2 corps where mike was urged but not nessesary. If i could listen in to orders given that was ok, and then to type out a quick ok or roger. Was not a problem, i know it's quite useful in combat ops.
But i see where the OP is comming from, i have no desire to hear the people. Especially if the female turns out to have a really dark voice . It breaks the immersion for me
lyret dedreen
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Von Druid
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.30 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Von Druid on 30/12/2008 21:10:45
Originally by: UMEE
Originally by: Ralarina
Originally by: UMEE im not expecting anyone to relate to me, per se.
and in case i wasnt clear, this isnt an "im quitting" post...but notice how im asking specific philosophical questions, hoping for a discussion.
and yet
Originally by: UMEE I didnt feel that i had to justify my values, or enter a philosophical discussion.
So what you doing then? If you want that sort of discussion, it's better moved to Out of Pod, this isn't eve-related per se, it's about your RL psyche.
i dont understand what youre saying. with that im asking: why do i have to justify my values to play this game to its full extent? it's a game, not a political campaign. notice how in the next sentence i said i justified my values to him anyways.
this is EVE related because it's an issue preventing me from enjoying the game. rather, it's a mass-effect. so if i dont conform, i dont play. im asking why is this the case. my RL psyche is merely an example of a VALUE. point is i need to have a "correct" value to play the game I enjoy, and what would you call that?
Just because your current corp requires you to be on voice at all times doesn't mean that all corps are like that. You joined a corp and don't respect its "values", but there are thousands of other ones to join, or you could even create your own one. You have a problem with your current CEO but you shouldn't judge the whole game based on interaction with a single person or group of persons.
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Ralarina
Caldari Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.12.30 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE
Originally by: Ralarina
Originally by: UMEE im not expecting anyone to relate to me, per se.
and in case i wasnt clear, this isnt an "im quitting" post...but notice how im asking specific philosophical questions, hoping for a discussion.
and yet
Originally by: UMEE I didnt feel that i had to justify my values, or enter a philosophical discussion.
So what you doing then? If you want that sort of discussion, it's better moved to Out of Pod, this isn't eve-related per se, it's about your RL psyche.
i dont understand what youre saying. with that im asking: why do i have to justify my values to play this game to its full extent? it's a game, not a political campaign. notice how in the next sentence i said i justified my values to him anyways.
this is EVE related because it's an issue preventing me from enjoying the game. rather, it's a mass-effect. so if i dont conform, i dont play. im asking why is this the case. my RL psyche is merely an example of a VALUE. point is i need to have a "correct" value to play the game I enjoy, and what would you call that?
There is no big philosophical disussion to be had. Most serious corps in the game require you to have team speak or vent or some sort of voice comms because when you're engaged in combat, everyone needs to be able to give info to the FC immediately; they dont have time for you to type it out and them to read it.
If you're not willing to accept that, then join a corp that does not require it.
This is not solely eve online; most raiding guilds in WoW require it, X=Box Live and wahtever sony do for the PS3, their Halo etc games in co-op mode almost universally require it if they're serious; certainly clans do.
That's just the way it is and that's your answer. There's nothing more to it. --
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.30 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE Why Must I Use a Mic?
Because it's better than using a Mac -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Straight Chillen
Gallente Solar Wind
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Posted - 2008.12.30 21:18:00 -
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Because EVE isnt something you can excell at solo. I for one started using voice servers about a month or so after i started playing. It makes you feel like your more involved with the team and closer with your fellow corp/alliance m8's. Really it depends on weither you want be known and involved, or just another nameless face.
But mainly it comes down to PVP. And when **** get hot and heavy, There simply isnt time to type it down. When peoples e-lives are in the balance information need to be exchanged fluidly. I dont care how fast of a typer you are, There is no way you will be able to write down a list of 100 hostile ship types in the same span it would take you to simply say it on TS or Vent.
Simply put, You not having a mic, Not only puts you at greater risk, but everyone in your gang/fleet Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Furb Killer
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.30 21:25:00 -
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Quote: Because EVE isnt something you can excell at solo.
Some people play to have fun...
For pvp i fully agree you should be listening on voice. The FC should have a mic and scouts should have a mic. Besides that it is nice if you got one, but really doesnt add that much. I have a mic, and often i dont say a word in fleet. Not to mention i have seen FCs who go completely emo when someone else talks (and no there was nothing else going on which was a threat). ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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UMEE
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Posted - 2008.12.30 21:26:00 -
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"There is no big philosophical disussion to be had."
- there is always a philosophical discussion to be had
"Most serious corps in the game require you to have team speak or vent or some sort of voice comms because when you're engaged in combat, everyone needs to be able to give info to the FC immediately; they dont have time for you to type it out and them to read it."
- I've been in many "serious" corps, as this is merely my alt. typing intel has been an accepted means. perhaps we're all gettin a little too lazy to read nowadays. overall, there is this prevalent enforcement of mic usage for individuals' own convenience, without any regard for the convenience of the person on the other side of this exchange. listening in, and/or typing intel have been acceptable in the past. if they are not now, then why not?
"If you're not willing to accept that, then join a corp that does not require it."
- this is becoming extremely difficult, hence my post.
"This is not solely eve online;"
- right, but we're not talking about other games. just because it is the norm, it doesnt mean that you can ignore people's individual experiences, i.e. being unable to get on mic for whatever reason - this reason does not need to be justified because this is a game.
"most raiding guilds in WoW require it"
- absolutely not true. been playing WoW for a long time now.
"That's just the way it is and that's your answer. There's nothing more to it."
- what is the way it is? and if that which you speak of is the way it is, then why is that the case?
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Yuri VanKaer
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Posted - 2008.12.30 21:26:00 -
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OP: I agree with you 100%. For myself, I am a 100+ wpm typist, so I gain nothing by speaking over typing, as far as speed of communication. As well, I always listen to music while I play online games, and having to listen/talk to ppl voice disturbs my sense of serenity. I listen/talk to ppl all day long in the course of my workday, I want to be able to relax when I get home.
Hence, I'll never be in a corp that requires it.
The reason that voice comms are becoming mandatory: ppl are too lazy to learn to type properly. "Why shouldn't I type with only one finger, since I can just say what I want?"
And of course, we must not forget the fapping to killmails crowd...
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