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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:19:00 -
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headsets are great for pvping. mics are less important, although when everyone else is talking I often miss stuff said in chat windows.
that and the headset/mic is great for all the random stuff that happens when not fighting. chat works okay, but I prefer the mic.
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Kazang
Gallente Arbitrary Freedom
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:26:00 -
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No one is forcing you to use a mic. Its your loss if you dont want to talk to people, i prefer using a mic because it easier than typing, takes less effort and its faster etc. Thats just from a social point of view, you don't have to be social if you dont want to be, but then begs the question why are you playing an mmo if you dont want to be social? If you dont like the social aspect of EVE, then X3 is a much better space sim. Ive made some really good friends on the internet from playing other games, and those are people i made an effort to get to know better and have subsequently gone on to meet in real life. If you don't want to talk to people and get to know them fine whatever, no sensible person is going to force you to talk to them. If you didn't want to talk to me, i would say fine, i wouldn't take it personally. But im not going to talk to you either if i can help it.
The only other thing i will say is that not having a mic in a pvp fleet means your a liability, you cant relay info to the rest of your gang quick enough to be of any use. In small scale combat anyway you have to use voice comms if you expect to win, for massive fleets you don't need one but thats another thing all together. In any fleet i run everyone has to be on vent, if you don't say much then fine, but you have to be on listening at least, because an FC simply doesn't have time to type orders in chat, and then even more delay as people read chat right away. Dont expect people to want to fly with you though if you refuse to communicate. Just as in real life if you refuse to speak to people they arent going to want to talk to you either.
Corps are social entities, dont want to be social? Dont join one! Dont expect people to want you in their corps when you're saying that you dont want to get to know the members. Why would you even want to join a corp if you didnt want to get to know the people in it?
Kazang
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Chesty McJubblies
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jericho thePure Like everyone has said it is a must for PVP and if your not using voice coms for PVP your doing it wrong.
That's everyone told.
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Muser
Gallente Blue.
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:33:00 -
[64]
join my TS and we can talk it through.
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Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Yuri VanKaer Edited by: Yuri VanKaer on 30/12/2008 21:53:23
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Yuri VanKaer OP: I agree with you 100%. For myself, I am a 100+ wpm typist, so I gain nothing by speaking over typing, as far as speed of communication.
In other words: "I've never done group PvP," otherwise you'd know the speed with which you type means absolutely nothing when you're in a battle that's going to last 45-90 seconds and you are managing targets (friendly and hostile), drones and your modules.
Anyone who says they're just as capable without a mic obviously doesn't have much experience. Or you have four hands.
Stuff
So I guess I was pretty correct, that your PvP experience is extremely limited. That's what I thought...
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Jericho thePure
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Originally by: Jericho thePure Like everyone has said it is a must for PVP and if your not using voice coms for PVP your doing it wrong.
That's everyone told.
Probably has something to do with it being the truth, hence why everyone is told. ------------------------------------------------- - Sig
"All those moments, will be lost in time like tears in rain...... time to die ..." |
Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:45:00 -
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UMEE - You don't have to do anything.
If you you dont like to use voice comm - then don't.
But the same is true for any particular corp. If That corp requires voice then that is their choice and you can take it or leave it.
And almost every gang/fleet will require voice for efficiency. That comes with pvp if you want to be successful.
Corps can make any rules they want. Requiring voice is the same as requiring at least x million SP - or only pvpers, or only people from Pacific timezones. If you don't like the requirements you can leave the corp - no need to justify yourself.
You can play solo, or chat with people in npc corp - or create your own corp and establish your own set of rules (voice comm optional or even forbidden).
Appealing to the forum won't be getting you anywhere. You need to find a corp that don't expect its members to use voice and is not serious about pvp.
--- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back!
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Neddy Fox
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.30 23:53:00 -
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I use voicecomms since 1999 (Roger Wilco), and have met people I consider friends now. You can't compare typing with actual talking with people. If you don't like it : NERD. Go play with yourself.
Playing a female and logging on voicecomms talking to the guys is fun, esp. if they really expect a female (had that happen in a RPG game once).
---- [PXIN Recruiter]
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE "You joined a corp and don't respect its "values", but there are thousands of other ones to join, or you could even create your own one."
- i very much respect their values. i showed this by joining TS, and listening in during OPs. them pressuring me to get on mic on the basis of "getting to know me better" is what made me uncomfortable. simply because i was willing to compromise, while they were not.
Here's the problem with your statement here: The corp does not need to compromise with you. Your values are not their problem. If they do not match their values, then you should probably find a new corp. The whole reason corps tend to focus on certain aspects of the game is that they want to bring in like-minded people. If you're not willing to conform to the corp rules, then you're probably not welcome in the corp, it's just like any group of people really.
As for WHY people push for others to get on vent: It really is as simple as they want to get to know you. I've run a corp that's reformed several times over the last few years, and do you know who the people I've kept in touch with the whole time are? The ones who're always on vent. The guys who don't use vent get forgotten almost instantly.
It may be lazy, but the fact of the matter is that no matter how easy typing a couple words may be, most communication is done on vent, and that doesn't just apply to pvp situations. People do most of their talking on vent, and if you're not talking with them then you're missing out on 90% of the conversations that happen. |
Teaburner
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:02:00 -
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I love how a bunch of people who can't make social connections in RL chastise someone for not wanting to do it in an online game.
I'll give you a good reason to want to play an mmo bit not want to socialize. Video game AI for the most part sucks. Basically, to be challenging afer the first go-around, you need human opponents. Mmo's provide human opponents.
To the OP, I would suggest the compromise of just using your mic for essential fleet op communication, and that's it. If your corp isn't cool with that, I'm sure you can find one that is. Good Luck
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Napoleon Bismarck
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:05:00 -
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GO back to WoW or play Hello Kitty. I would very much like to boot peeps from my corp for not using a mic and for PvP it is just plain idiotic to not use one. Listening in is silly. If you don't get why having voice comms in this game is important, contract all ur stuff to me in game and send me all your ISK then kindly feck off out of EVE.
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Asoka Cyrus
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Teaburner I love how a bunch of people who can't make social connections in RL chastise someone for not wanting to do it in an online game.
I'll give you a good reason to want to play an mmo bit not want to socialize. Video game AI for the most part sucks. Basically, to be challenging afer the first go-around, you need human opponents. Mmo's provide human opponents.
To the OP, I would suggest the compromise of just using your mic for essential fleet op communication, and that's it. If your corp isn't cool with that, I'm sure you can find one that is. Good Luck
I got plenty of RL mates. Maybe says more for you this statement than it does for us...
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Asoka Cyrus
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Yuri VanKaer Edited by: Yuri VanKaer on 30/12/2008 21:53:23
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Yuri VanKaer OP: I agree with you 100%. For myself, I am a 100+ wpm typist, so I gain nothing by speaking over typing, as far as speed of communication.
In other words: "I've never done group PvP," otherwise you'd know the speed with which you type means absolutely nothing when you're in a battle that's going to last 45-90 seconds and you are managing targets (friendly and hostile), drones and your modules.
Anyone who says they're just as capable without a mic obviously doesn't have much experience. Or you have four hands.
Stuff
So I guess I was pretty correct, that your PvP experience is extremely limited. That's what I thought...
Wow, just noticed your lack of PvP experience was being picked up on by a member of the untied. Thats harsh, these guys dont even PvP!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Teaburner I love how a bunch of people who can't make social connections in RL chastise someone for not wanting to do it in an online game.
I love how a nameless nobody makes assumptions about people he has never met.
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Mr QUE
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:15:00 -
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just tell them your vocal cord was was injured in a car crash that the other guy had been drinking, Oh and let them know that the guy killed a little kid that was in his car at the time of the crash and was doing 100 mph, and that he came out without a scratch.
true story it happens
Que
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Teaburner
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Teaburner I love how a bunch of people who can't make social connections in RL chastise someone for not wanting to do it in an online game.
I love how a nameless nobody makes assumptions about people he has never met.
I actually have a name, and I most certainly am somebody!
But seriously, the " OMG my best friends are peeps I met on Vent...", posts are pathetic. Go outside, smile at someone, shake someone's hand when you say Happy New Year. If your best friends are people you met through Vent on some mmo, you need to get a life.
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David Miliband
Evil Proctologists
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:21:00 -
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The N4zis used typed communications, they didn't use VOIP; ergo you should use VOIP rather than typing.
So, unless you want to be like Hitl3r, you should get a mic and use it.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Teaburner But seriously, the " OMG my best friends are peeps I met on Vent...", posts are pathetic. Go outside, smile at someone, shake someone's hand when you say Happy New Year. If your best friends are people you met through Vent on some mmo, you need to get a life.
I love how a nameless nobody makes assumptions about people he has never met.
No sig for me, thankyouverymuch. |
Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE and in case i wasnt clear, this isnt an "im quitting" post...but notice how im asking specific philosophical questions, hoping for a discussion.
No your not. Your complaining about something. If it's such a big deal, don't join a corp and complain about the normal 'this can so be a single player game' things.
My corp is generally a 'get on comms if you're online' thing. I'm fine with that, but as one guy said - if it's going to have a negative effect on my family at that particular time I don't do it. I might post about it next time.
Also, you want to PVP in any organised fashion with more than 4 people, comms = must. ----------
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Haldeeman
Minmatar Infusion.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 00:38:00 -
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tl;dr
if you dont want to use a mic because you dont want to interact with people then it is called social ******ation I am afraid.
If you do not want to use comms, fine. But i would suggest that you find a single player game such as X3 as it will only serve to annoy you and the people that you play with that you dont use comms, hence destroying the purpose of the game. to have fun.
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myrddhyn
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Posted - 2008.12.31 01:03:00 -
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I just second what kazang says.
No harm done man just go solo. Plenty of room for it in this game.
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2008.12.31 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE im asking: why do i have to justify my values to play this game to its full extent?
No, what you're asking is "why do I need to communicate with the people I play with on their terms when I want everyone to conform to the way I want to do things".
You're welcome to organize groups that communicate your way. But you can't expect a group of people to conform to your "values" when you're joining as an outsider. You might as well try to make an argument that the people you play with should speak swahili because that's the language you like. It doesn't work that way. And since any group of people is mostly defined by their communication, you can't stay outside that either.
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Captain Pompous
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Posted - 2008.12.31 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Haldeeman tl;dr
if you dont want to use a mic because you dont want to interact with people then it is called social ******ation I am afraid.
If you do not want to use comms, fine. But i would suggest that you find a single player game such as X3 as it will only serve to annoy you and the people that you play with that you dont use comms, hence destroying the purpose of the game. to have fun.
are you serious? the OP is complaining about being forced to talk to people, not necessarily not communicating full stop with them.
next time, read the damn thread
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Titan Pilot
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.31 01:11:00 -
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I can understand why you dont want to speak.
/Rant on
But dont expect ppl to trust someone who doesnt want to speak. Billions of isk on the line and you are afraid to say something on comms? Ships and mods in this game take time to acquire. This isnt some random pickup game. Its pretty serious stuff.
Try scouting a freighter with a pilot who refuses to talk on comms. First thing that comes to mind is what is this guy hiding and should we risk it with him... NOPE...kick him from gang as he is either a spy, afk or a noob who will get us all killed.
/Rant off
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Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.31 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Teaburner But seriously, the " OMG my best friends are peeps I met on Vent...", posts are pathetic. Go outside, smile at someone, shake someone's hand when you say Happy New Year. If your best friends are people you met through Vent on some mmo, you need to get a life.
I love how a nameless nobody makes assumptions about people he has never met.
Oh, burn. Waaaazzzuuuuuup!
But srsly, pwnt. ----------
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.31 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Davlos
Edit: Furthermore, I have Asperger's Syndrome. Between you and me, I probably have more cause to justify any sort of anti-social behavior/desire, but I recognize the importance of forming social bonds in this game - you don't.
It was worth staying up till about 5:30am to read this gem.
To the OP: Pulgor, is that you?
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Mei Ree
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Posted - 2008.12.31 01:31:00 -
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What I have gathered from this thread so far: if I want to be a spy, I should get a mic so people will trust me more.
What I also have gathered is that the forums are filled with people who think that having 20 people talking at once in Teamspeak is actually adding value to the team.
Then there are the manginas who are afraid to speak and break the illusion that they are female.
For me, lack of microphone use is simply due to being in a house with other humans who don't like getting only half the conversation - especially when the commentary gets particularly agitated.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.31 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Originally by: Jericho thePure Like everyone has said it is a must for PVP and if your not using voice coms for PVP your doing it wrong.
That's everyone told.
I'm doing it wrong yet I'm pretty successful
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.12.31 01:50:00 -
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hahaha, now if people want to know who the members are, thats their call since it is THEIR CORP.
If you were willing to talk in text and just dont like talking over the mic, just like i hate talking over the phone, thats different.
IF you want to set up a corp of hermit,mutes that don't know how to read, well then feel free. Its a whopping 2 mil to set up a corp??
NPC corps don't care who you are or if your an anti-social person in a type of game that is built on the premise of a multitude of HUMAN players running around in it.
personally i dont like being around people i dont know and want to be shut ins. at a job its one thing but during off hours its just plain weird.
go play on the test server.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.12.31 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Teaburner I love how a bunch of people who can't make social connections in RL chastise someone for not wanting to do it in an online game.
Whos to say that because you can not make social connections in RL but you play an MMO means everyone else in the mmo cannot make social connections in RL?
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