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Trebor Locke
Gallente Round Table Enterprises Leather Rose Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.02 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: Trebor Locke on 02/01/2009 04:38:52 Edited by: Trebor Locke on 02/01/2009 04:37:50
Originally by: Davlos
Edit: Furthermore, I have Asperger's Syndrome. Between you and me, I probably have more cause to justify any sort of anti-social behavior/desire, but I recognize the importance of forming social bonds in this game - you don't.
Really now? Nice to meet you fellow Aspie (are you on the wrongplanet forum by any chance?) ^_^ I think you're quite right that this person doesn't have a decent reason to reject social bonding in this game.
As someone with Asperger's Syndrome, I'm somewhat odd. Made my own corp and helped make an alliance >.> So anyone saying they wish to ignore an important part of any MMO (the social bonding part) because they simply don't want to really just doesn't cut it at all. -------------- CEO of Round Table Enterprises Chairman of the Leather Rose Syndicate
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Roymundo
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.01.02 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bumbum George
Originally by: Roymundo why would i feel compelled to go and spend my hard earned cash on a mic if i new beforehand that this would be the case?
So you're telling me there are people on the intertubes playing online multiplayer games who don't own a mic??
STFU NOOB, I don't believe you!
sny particular reason you need to be nasty? or does acting like a **** make you happy in your nappy?
the point i was making is that if i buy a mic to participate in the ops only to be told to **** off then i'd be right to think that it was a waste, and thus i concurr with the op.
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CHAOS100
Black Plague. Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 07:11:00 -
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You are playing an "MMO"RPG. Those first three letters stand for massively multiplayer online, which means you are playing with other people. Voice chat is standard nowadays and comes with the culture of playing online games. I understand maybe you have a real life and don't want to come on and talk to people for some reason or another, and that's fine. Except you are playing a space MMO based on flying spaceships around with each other, so you are associating yourself with the culture.
If you don't want to have interaction then go play single player games, or go play more relaxed casual online games. Eve isn't meant to be that kind of game. --------------
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Shakari Sween
freelancers inc KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.01.02 07:55:00 -
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Ever watched a movie with subtitles on(same language as audio and subtitles)? Basically You can read and understand the text quicker than it is said out loud, as you have to wait for the full thing to be said 1st.
The problem is that typing out something take a bit longer. Here is the common misconception, it takes a paragraph to say "belt xx4-12 help" If your in a fleet you can also use the broadcast system which is MUCH quicker than both voice and text, as no typing is needed, just a click. As well as not having to wait for the information to be finished before you can make a decision, not to mention the lag that can happen in both ts and vent(from slow internet, internet connections as well as distance from server).
For the broadcast feature to be any use everyone in the fleet/gang needs to have it viewable and not minimized(which alot of people do). There is also a few limitations in that it cant tell you to much info, but it is quicker for alerting people to situations, but still lacks the ability to broadcast ship types and numbers(though you can broadcast multiple times per aggressor).
It is interesting the responses that the op has had, in regards to quite a few think that voice coms is the ends all to every solution and scenario. While eve does draw a more mature player base it doesn't mean that the player base suffers from the same prejudices and ignorance that every culture/base of people. Broadcast system is the most efficient and generally best tool to use for both small and big fleets, text CAN be quicker, but is limited if used quickly. Voice while being very close and in a lot of ways equal to broadcast system still suffers from disadvantages.
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Vagel
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Vagel on 02/01/2009 11:22:01 I agree with the OP.
The day I wear a headset, is the day I'm not married anymore, end of story.
The people that cannot see why, play too much EVE and have too little RL.
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Rivur'Tam
the united
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus Maybe all you folks in this thread that are so against voice comms should form a corp together.
But you're the ****ing lepers of Eve as far as I'm concerned.
^^this
I really enjoy the banter with my corp m8's, you wouldn't go to work and ignore your co- workers and go to the pub and ignore your friends.
If you are deaf mute etc then you have an excuse.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rivur'Tam you wouldn't go to work and ignore your co- workers and go to the pub and ignore your friends.
Most days i don't say two words to my co-workers.
Your point?
If you want to talk, talk. But don't make it seem like mandatory to say lol over the interwebs over and over at random farts or "pwn" screams.
I'll listen to a vent, i'll even participate, but in NO way can anyone say it should be mandatory 'cause we ALL pay to play as we play.
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OffBeaT
Caldari KaMiKaZes
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 02/01/2009 12:03:48 Edited by: OffBeaT on 02/01/2009 12:02:23
this is too cute, if you don't wont to use a mic so don't..
i am a loner in eve most times but now i have started to try and work with others so i finely went and started up my corp.
so if you can live with my spelling that is you can join my corp and you don't gotta use a mic..
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Ze4K DK
Gallente Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vagel Edited by: Vagel on 02/01/2009 11:22:01 I agree with the OP.
The day I wear a headset, is the day I'm not married anymore, end of story.
The people that cannot see why, play too much EVE and have too little RL.
If you're that worried about how you look then something is wrong... You sleep next to the woman FFS... and i don't know about you but i look pretty damn ******ed when i sleep... but then again i always look ******ed... lol...
Honestly though, i have a real life but i like playing video games... I don't play video games to look cool and frankly i don't give a f**k if i look like sh!t when i play... And it's not like i can't take the headset off again when i leave the comp...
If you're afraid that people will see you as a geek, i believe that the spaceships on your screen made it pretty obvious man...
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:22:00 -
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But the thing is...people use a mic to look cool, to the internets
"Yeah i use a mic 'cause of such'n'such!" "you can't pwn without a mic!" "Mic is a norm!"
Hell, next people will say owning EVE-fan merchandise is a "norm" in gaming
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
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OffBeaT
Caldari KaMiKaZes
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:36:00 -
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some people are just shy in life so let her be who she is.. so what of it!
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baltec1
R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Vagel Edited by: Vagel on 02/01/2009 11:22:01 I agree with the OP.
The day I wear a headset, is the day I'm not married anymore, end of story.
The people that cannot see why, play too much EVE and have too little RL.
I spend 8 to 12 hours a day at work and see 2 or 3 people, normaly the conversation amounts to good night or good morning. If I get day shift then Ill get to talk with one of the managers about security reports and thats it.
For me having a mic is a good thing when playing a game, I get enough silance at work.
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Navtiqes
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Navtiqes on 02/01/2009 13:33:00 I've played online for eleven years now and never used a mic part from a few sessions with local friends.
You just need to go to extra effort to find people that are able to multitask well enough to both read and type while they play. And as soon as some WoW kid comes along and demands voice comms in your guild you have to set your foot down.
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Benco97
Gallente Friendly Archaeology Group of Inder
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:46:00 -
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My problem with Voice comms is that most people seem find it the absolute pinnacle of humour when someone shouts ..ugh.. "LOL" or "PWNED YOU NUB!" or anything to that effect.
I do not give a flying fig what you are wearing, what you did last night, about your latest conquests or whether or not the gas you just released had a particularly flavourful bouquet. I care about EVE related talk, items of conversation pertaining to our current events.
I would meet you on some Social Networking website if I wanted to discuss your latest bout of wind as opposed to logging into EVE to talk about it.
Voice Comms should be encouraged but not enforced unless you keep strict control of the channel, there will always be loud and obnoxious people ready to sing into their headsets and there will always be people put-off by that. Everyone can get along if someone just tells the idiots to shut up. If you want a personal conversation then enter a private convo with whoever you wish to talk to, do not clog up the Voice Comms.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Korizan
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Posted - 2009.01.02 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Korizan on 02/01/2009 14:02:05 Mic's are basically a PvP requirement. And it is definitely nothing new. I was required to use a mic back when Mech warrior was around.
There is also nothing stopping you from picking a vent channel that nobody is on and hanging out there. If you are needed they can come in and tell you. Also PvP ops tend to be business only and no time for playing social. And the odds of you saying more then 2 words in a pvp ops fairly low as for the most part you are required to listen and obey.
However I do understand why you wouldn't want to be on comms all the time. I have had my share of listening to "drunken/dumb asshats" in comms.
BUT
The flat out I am not going to be on comms or I quit is a bit extreme. This game is a MMORG and if you join a corporation then you are going to have to be social. If you have 0 wish to know anybody then I suggest you bin the whole join a corporation idea all together.
So you do have a choice. Play by the corporation rules or leave the corporation. or find one that doesn't require vent.
It is not a matter of the corporation not respecting your wishes. The corporation has rules and if you don't follow them then you get kicked.
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Mundo Cani
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Posted - 2009.01.03 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus Maybe all you folks in this thread that are so against voice comms should form a corp together.
But you're the ****ing lepers of Eve as far as I'm concerned.
Originally by: Alowishus
This is the Internet. Sack up.
Originally by: Napoleon Bismarck GO back to WoW or play Hello Kitty...kindly feck off out of EVE.
Originally by: Bumbum George STFU NOOB, I don't believe you!
Originally by: bluebeyond You are fucking weird. What's wrong with talking to people? You scared ro something?
Yeah, maybe this is the reason I don't use a headset much on EVE.
I forget sometimes, but thanks for reminding me.
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JoeT
Amarr Short Attention Span Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.03 02:59:00 -
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no reason to either way. If someone in my corp doesnt have a mic, then i ask themm to be able to at least be able to get on when your out . It comes to its your money, and if you dont want to buy one, then ok. Another choice is trying to find a new corp that wont mind if you jsut listen in during selecet times. - We are anonymous. We Are legion. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.01.03 03:39:00 -
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Short answer: * Some corps/alliances demand that you got an access to a mic, usually for security reasons. * Some don't.
Longer answer: Now, looking through my corp history (not too long mind you), I only had one corp that demanded it, which was np with me as I knew it before applying. If the OP keeps finding corps who demands it.. you're extremely unlucky. I'd suggest asking this before joining, tbh.
There's alot of comments regarding voicecoms (purely mentioning the talking aspect, as you can still benefit from the listening-thing without having a mic); + It's too good in pvp not to be used. + It adds trust to people, in bigger alliances, those who never talks are usually among the first to be suspected to relay/stream voice to enemies. + Works pretty good for bonding. - Simple, not everyone is interested in talking. Some just don't like talking in public, some don't like to talk on phone, and voicecoms is pretty similar. Some just don't like certain environments where people talk. In my case, I talk on vent/ts in MMO's but refuse to talk on Xbox Live because of the pre-pubertal kids who can't control themselves (I listen, but pretend I can't talk). - Some might struggle with hardware/software for voice coms. In my case, EVE voice don't work for me if I run multiple clients, and the mic don't work on my stationary so I have to run my laptop/2nd PC just to talk. Argh.
There's more arguments, but either way, the simple answers stands. If you don't want to talk on voicecoms, but want to play in a group of people, then find a group where they don't demand it.. it's pretty simple.
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UMEE
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Posted - 2009.01.03 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT some people are just shy in life so let her be who she is.. so what of it!
im a male. i chose the female Achura because the attributes are OP, and the male looks like my girl's father.
im not shy though, i mentioned i work in one of the most social professions i can think of, and i love it. my post is about a whole different issue. the underlying question is should our virtual relationships act as replacements for or additions to the relationships we have or dont have IRL. i was hoping a few more would get this hint!
thanks for the responses all, keep em comin if u want. i enjoyed reading them all.
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UMEE
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Posted - 2009.01.03 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: UMEE on 03/01/2009 04:35:48 Edited by: UMEE on 03/01/2009 04:34:34 "The flat out I am not going to be on comms or I quit is a bit extreme. This game is a MMORG and if you join a corporation then you are going to have to be social."
- if ure referring to me, i never ever said this. im regularly listening in on comms. and im VERY social in text form.
"If you have 0 wish to know anybody then I suggest you bin the whole join a corporation idea all together."
- but you need a corp to EXPERIENCE the game. i want to play the game. EVE doesnt have pugs, lol. u cant trust people to make one.
"It is not a matter of the corporation not respecting your wishes. The corporation has rules and if you don't follow them then you get kicked."
- all i ask for is a compromise. the corporation entity in the game doesnt HAVE TO mimic the automated bureaucratic monster of the real. it is a game after all.
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UMEE
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Posted - 2009.01.03 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mundo Cani
Originally by: Alowishus Maybe all you folks in this thread that are so against voice comms should form a corp together.
But you're the ****ing lepers of Eve as far as I'm concerned.
Originally by: Alowishus
This is the Internet. Sack up.
Originally by: Napoleon Bismarck GO back to WoW or play Hello Kitty...kindly feck off out of EVE.
Originally by: Bumbum George STFU NOOB, I don't believe you!
Originally by: bluebeyond You are fucking weird. What's wrong with talking to people? You scared ro something?
Yeah, maybe this is the reason I don't use a headset much on EVE.
I forget sometimes, but thanks for reminding me.
i lol'd
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Liliane Woodhead
Intergalactic Charwomen
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Posted - 2009.01.03 04:34:00 -
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You are free to lie, UMEE. Say you are deaf-mutely. If anyone then discriminates you -> Petition.
Remember friends: ... and even voice chat doesnt protect you from sickness or lies
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UMEE
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Posted - 2009.01.03 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Locke Edited by: Trebor Locke on 02/01/2009 04:38:52 Edited by: Trebor Locke on 02/01/2009 04:37:50
Originally by: Davlos
Edit: Furthermore, I have Asperger's Syndrome. Between you and me, I probably have more cause to justify any sort of anti-social behavior/desire, but I recognize the importance of forming social bonds in this game - you don't.
Really now? Nice to meet you fellow Aspie (are you on the wrongplanet forum by any chance?) ^_^ I think you're quite right that this person doesn't have a decent reason to reject social bonding in this game.
As someone with Asperger's Syndrome, I'm somewhat odd. Made my own corp and helped make an alliance >.> So anyone saying they wish to ignore an important part of any MMO (the social bonding part) because they simply don't want to really just doesn't cut it at all.
i very much respect your desire to form meaningful relationships through this game. i did not say anything against this general process anywhere, and did not attack the people who participate in it. all i did was state my opinion based on the experiences I've had. and the general nature of my post is: why can't everyone be recognized, not just those who want to form relationships over the net. what we all have in common at the very least is that we all want to enjoy the game to its perceivable fullest. so why must i be excluded from corps, and hence the game content, if i do not use a mic for whatever reason? my intent was not to divide the pro-mic and anti-mic people, but to merely voice the experiences from the other side.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2009.01.03 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn Enjoy solo play then. o/
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.01.03 06:46:00 -
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Because all the nerdy cool kids do it. Nah I know where your coming from. It kills any rp when you here a 30 year old man who sounds like a 12 year old boy screaming obscenities. I just mute everyone except fc and put the headphones on my dogs head. My mic doesnt bother me, it's other ppl speaking into their mics that bothers me.
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Basil Yer
Gallente Dark World Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.03 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20 Because all the nerdy cool kids do it. Nah I know where your coming from. It kills any rp when you here a 30 year old man who sounds like a 12 year old boy screaming obscenities. I just mute everyone except fc and put the headphones on my dogs head. My mic doesnt bother me, it's other ppl speaking into their mics that bothers me.
/signed
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Bumbum George
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Posted - 2009.01.03 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE why can't everyone be recognized, not just those who want to form relationships over the net... so why must i be excluded from corps, and hence the game content, if i do not use a mic for whatever reason?
Short answer: because you're dealing with human beings!
You may not like it but folks who socialize will have advantages over loners, not just in nerdy online games.
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Laina Delapore
Caldari Red Sun Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.03 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids I give you two scenarios, one with someone who uses a mic and one who decides to type.
w/ mic and voice chat "Help, I'm under attack, need assistance!"
w/o mic and typing "Help, I'm undwwwwwwwwww11234434dasawda" "Dammit, they killed me while I was typing!"
A mic allows for speedy communications and gets people's attention, while typing does not.
Yay. Someone screaming for help on VoiP at high volume and STILL not giving their location, enemy numbers or enemy ships. Even better, now I can hear them whine about it for the next hour rather than just turning the blink off in Corp.
Frankly - if you get killed while typing out IV - 6 or "VII - 2 under attack" then you're probably dead already. And hey - there's a notepad in game, make yourself some "pre-recorded messages begging for help" and copy/paste them.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.03 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 03/01/2009 11:26:38
Originally by: MooKids I give you two scenarios, one with someone who uses a mic and one who decides to type.
w/ mic and voice chat "Help, I'm under attack, need assistance!"
w/o mic and typing "Help, I'm undwwwwwwwwww11234434dasawda" "Dammit, they killed me while I was typing!"
A mic allows for speedy communications and gets people's attention, while typing does not.
Look at me!
*presses "need help" on fleet com* *quicklinks system in fleet chat*
I'm faster then both of you!
Not to mention, i STILL like the fact that there's almost 50% girls playing this game.
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Shut up.
Shut. *dons lasers* Up
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Illwill Bill
Svea Rike
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Posted - 2009.01.03 11:26:00 -
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In the end, it's all about what kind of game you want to play. Personally, I find Vent singing to be an art form.
If you don't want to use TS/Vent/EVE voice, then find a corp that doesn't require it. I doubt you are alone.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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