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Solostrom
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Posted - 2009.01.02 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Al Drevika Find a juicy target, gank it. Alt picks up the cargo.
Plz... stop your crying and...
STOP BEING THE JUICY TARGET YOU IDIOT!
They do it in Jita because they can find morons like you!
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 08:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 02/01/2009 08:21:28
Originally by: Trader20 Sign my petition for Concord to be able to pod -5.0 players. Come on CCP less pirates in highsec means less lag.
Only if all NPCs started to pod their enemies… Come on, CCP. Fewer mission runners in means less lag.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr Dark Skullz Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.02 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Karasuma Akane
Originally by: Al Drevika The system is so slanted towards PvPers it's not even funny.
You do realize that Eve is a PvP game, right?
I pvp. I just dont take the sec hits for it. You do realize there is a difference between pvp and pirate? I think its only fair that low sec status gets a bit more meaningful and punishing. aka no docking, shot on sight in a ship etc..
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.01.02 09:58:00 -
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Concord should podkill anyone at -10.
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.02 10:24:00 -
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suicide gankers are reducing lag not incresing it :D
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.01.02 10:52:00 -
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"Boarding this ship will notify CONCORD of your activity. Are you sure you want to do this?"
"Docking request denied. You are a wanted criminal!"
"Boarding this ship will notify the faction police of your activities. Are you sure you want to do this?"
"Docking request denied. You are a an enemy of the state!"
...and suddenly actions bear much more consequence.
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar "Boarding this ship will notify CONCORD of your activity. Are you sure you want to do this?"
"Docking request denied. You are a wanted criminal!"
"Boarding this ship will notify the faction police of your activities. Are you sure you want to do this?"
"Docking request denied. You are a an enemy of the state!"
...and suddenly actions bear much more consequence.
What about the consequences for the action of AFKing with valuable cargo?
Jesus christ, you just GOT a massive suicide gank nerf 3 months ago, and you're ALREAY asking for more. As I and others predicted by the way.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 02/01/2009 11:02:58
Originally by: Falcon Troy I love how making the game even harsher has people screaming carebear whining. Mechanics like removing insurance for ships that are agressive has no bearing on keeping carebears safer. You want to get your ship blown up to kill carebears in hisec? Go for it, but it's absurd that you get your insrance payout, the ship's loot, the km, and the satisfaction of watching a carebear pod warp off.
I love how whiney carebears think that demanding even more NPC protection is "making the game harsher".
Were you one of those kids whose mom abused the ref for allowing "unfairness" whenever your junior soccer league team lost a game?
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Squably
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:02:00 -
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sob sob nag nag, buy a new ship n go on Signature removed. Please do not imply profanity in your signature. Navigator
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Amein Talier
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:03:00 -
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Failtroll is fail; except that everyone is still responding to the thread :/
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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cown Concord only interacts when a player does something illegal. A -10 character will not be engaged by Concord if he's not agressed. Only Navy Police will show up and they will scramble him. But since this game seems to have some fairness, the Navy NPC's have a locking time and furthermore, you are able to run from the Navies with stabs fitted (you'll need lots though). As soon as a -10 character agresses (attacks someone) he will be punished like everyone else in the game, by Concord. With the latest new patches the response time has actually doubled and the Concord frigs + cruisers will insta jam, web, neut you to death, while the battleships will pew pew for well over 30K damage.
I dont see any problems with the currently security system.
Last time i looked with my -8.(someting) alt, they do not scram anymore, tho they do alot of dps.
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MongWen
Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron Concord should podkill anyone at -10.
Pirate NPC's should do the same against their -10 aswell.
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Laiyna
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: Laiyna on 02/01/2009 11:12:40
Originally by: MongWen
Originally by: Wendat Huron Concord should podkill anyone at -10.
NPC's should do the same against their -10 aswell.
signed on both.
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Whineroy
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
I love how whiney carebears think that demanding even more NPC protection is "making the game harsher".
Were you one of those kids whose mom abused the ref for allowing "unfairness" whenever your junior soccer league team lost a game?
And I love seeing yet again how ganker nerds prove themselves to be sad hypocritical losers pretending to be big and bad tough guys from behind safety of computer screen. Perhaps if player bounty system really worked and bounties were a real hindrance instead of source of nerdy-loser pride, then people wouldn't be asking for additional NPC protection.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Whineroy
Originally by: Malcanis
I love how whiney carebears think that demanding even more NPC protection is "making the game harsher".
Were you one of those kids whose mom abused the ref for allowing "unfairness" whenever your junior soccer league team lost a game?
And I love seeing yet again how ganker nerds prove themselves to be sad hypocritical losers pretending to be big and bad tough guys from behind safety of computer screen. Perhaps if player bounty system really worked and bounties were a real hindrance instead of source of nerdy-loser pride, then people wouldn't be asking for additional NPC protection.
The difference is that pirates want players to be in control, while bears want NPCs to limit players actions. Pirates would propably prefer systems, that allowed and encouraged players to secure themselves instead of more NPC hand holding.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Whineroy
Originally by: Malcanis
I love how whiney carebears think that demanding even more NPC protection is "making the game harsher".
Were you one of those kids whose mom abused the ref for allowing "unfairness" whenever your junior soccer league team lost a game?
And I love seeing yet again how ganker nerds prove themselves to be sad hypocritical losers pretending to be big and bad tough guys from behind safety of computer screen. Perhaps if player bounty system really worked and bounties were a real hindrance instead of source of nerdy-loser pride, then people wouldn't be asking for additional NPC protection.
Perhaps you've missed that the "whiney ganker nerds" have been asking - pleading - for a decent bounty system for years.
If a working bounty system is what you want - and I 100% agree that there needs to be one - then ask for that, don't ask for yet more rules and restrictions against PvP in a PvP game.
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Chobham
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:35:00 -
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Seriously, how do you get suicide ganked? Unless they know you're coming (courier mission) if you WTZ there is pretty much no way to get killed outside of crazy 1 in a million occurrences. You're either too small to lock before you're in warp or you're too big to kill before they get concorded.
The only people that are complaining about it are the afkers using autopilot. As a suicide ganker who learned from others, that's really the only people they target, the swarms of idiots in indies that move at 100m/s 10k from the gate that give you an eternity to scan their cargo before engaging and are usually fit with speed increasing mods to help auto piloting and die in 5 seconds.
These people deserve to die, the gankers are doing everyone a favor and getting rid of the downy people. Just like idiots who fall for jita scams deserve to lose their money.
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Grunanca
Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:40:00 -
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Well, I agree with the op IF we -5 or lower can deploy warp bubbles in low sec, which only works on people with -4.9 or higher status. Then it will all be fair. Npcs doing the bearwork, pirates doing their own work as always, just more effeciently.
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Clueless Noobness
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:40:00 -
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Just get rid of insurance completely or at least limit it to t1 frigs and cruisers. Insurance is nice feature for a truly new player to help get by the first couple of weeks. After that it just skews too many things.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:44:00 -
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Only place where you can actually see haulers with some real loot is hi sec. Pirates want to attack haulers with loot. If you attack hauler in hi sec your ship will be blown up by wtfpwning police.
Houston we have a problem. Our pirating game mechnics doesn't work. At all.
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Vanzatoarea
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Posted - 2009.01.02 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Whineroy
Originally by: Malcanis
I love how whiney carebears think that demanding even more NPC protection is "making the game harsher".
Were you one of those kids whose mom abused the ref for allowing "unfairness" whenever your junior soccer league team lost a game?
And I love seeing yet again how ganker nerds prove themselves to be sad hypocritical losers pretending to be big and bad tough guys from behind safety of computer screen. Perhaps if player bounty system really worked and bounties were a real hindrance instead of source of nerdy-loser pride, then people wouldn't be asking for additional NPC protection.
The difference is that pirates want players to be in control, while bears want NPCs to limit players actions. Pirates would propably prefer systems, that allowed and encouraged players to secure themselves instead of more NPC hand holding.
/signed!
Concord makes no sense allready.....and still they want more They wanna play normal citizen , common folk , they pray for NPC`s to guide them and protect them
Wake up! Pod pilots are allmoast god-like compared to your average joe , Pod pilots run empires that could rival and probably obliterate the generally accepted empires (Amarr , Caldari...) , each Pod pilot can potentially slaughter an entire fleet of standard ships...the universe belongs to you you just need to reach out and make a name and a destiny for yourself....and what do you do....you run away terrified at the posibilities ahead and whine like a baby...you dont want a destiny...you dont want a name , you just want to be another nameless pile of goo with no more freedom then the next NPC , cursed to grind away endlesly the same mind-numbing booring content...
But what`s even worse is...you cant be a contempt pile of pixel goo along with the other 11 mill of you in worlds made especially for you , you need to come to new eden and whine your way to brain-dead status , and in the process ruin the game for everyone else . Thus we have the ridiculous concept of invincible Concord...where pod pilots can potentially rule the universe...they cant do crap against a pair of god-mode elf-piloted lvl 80 deathknight battleships...and still you want more
Just please tell me why the hell are you playing EvE anyway if the basic concepts and ideals of EvE are sooo out-of line with what you think is fair
Many people see themselves like "citizens" and concord like "the police"
Really? I mean Concord is maybe more like a NATO thing , where player alliances/corps are more like "nations" and "country`s" . /Me wants to be able to friggin wardec concord...after all they get slaughtered in 0.0 missions every day...
/rant over
OP : I hate you , just get the hell out and back to wow CCP : Thanks for making a game where players have at least some way of defending themselves from the likes of the OP Others : Grief the hell out of them eventually they`ll leave
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:44:00 -
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The number of people in this thread who are absolutely clueless about outlaw machanics and how highsec works warms my heart to no end. It's good to know that empire huggers aren't getting any smarter.
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Hungo
Minmatar Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.02 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 02/01/2009 05:16:21 It works fine. Adapt or die. Go back to WoW carebear. <insert other generic flame>
Originally by: Evelgrivion You're right; people with -10 shouldn't have to bother with the pod part, and be allowed to go anywhere they want - without any protection from Concord.
Sound fair to you?
Signed. This thread is now about why this should be implemented.
Hey asswipe, you do know people who give this *adapt or go back to wow* speech usualy play wow themselves?
Lets make one thing clear, just because sumon thinks summit is unfair doesnt give you the right top troll them, grow up
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Taelech
Caldari Caldari Design and Cryogenics
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:14:00 -
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Maybe OP is a troll, but here is my take.
I'm a carebear, a roid mining, mission running, 0.0 avoiding (usually) empire hugger. I like the fact that people can attack in hisec. Suicide Ganking is a calculated action. If it were not, then it would only occur for 'instructional' purposes (teaching noobs lessons.) I don't want Concord to be my bodyguard. I want to have to fit my ship for defense, if Concord provided that I would have never learned how to tank. Adversity makes us learn new things. That is adaptation. Do it and succeed, don't and fail. Either, way have fun, that's the point.
Taelech - Professor emeritus - Caldari Business Tribunal School of Law
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adamantinesteel
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:31:00 -
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you want to make it fair... Then let us PVPers fly those WTFPWN ships the concord flies. :) then it would be fair. :)
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.01.02 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hungo
Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 02/01/2009 05:16:21 It works fine. Adapt or die. Go back to WoW carebear. <insert other generic flame>
Originally by: Evelgrivion You're right; people with -10 shouldn't have to bother with the pod part, and be allowed to go anywhere they want - without any protection from Concord.
Sound fair to you?
Signed. This thread is now about why this should be implemented.
Hey asswipe, you do know people who give this *adapt or go back to wow* speech usualy play wow themselves?
Lets make one thing clear, just because sumon thinks summit is unfair doesnt give you the right top troll them, grow up
That actually made me laugh for real. Thanks.
Originally by: adamantinesteel you want to make it fair... Then let us PVPers fly those WTFPWN ships the concord flies. :) then it would be fair. :)
Dude, your body!
------ I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it. |
Al Drevika
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 02/01/2009 08:02:34
Originally by: Al Drevika
There's actually a number of good suggestions. But CCP has to decide to quit slanting the system in favor of PVPers, first. Some I've heard include:
- No insurance payout for ships destroyed by Concord actions (stop financing SGing)
This was originally suggested but CCP went with the increased Concord response time to aid all the carebear noobs who pop wrecks in missions and stuff.
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- Allow PKs on -5 sec status and below by anyone
You can, even pods.
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- Make taking or destroying player wrecks/loot in high sec a Concord offense (drive down the sec status of the looting alts).
Lol
Quote: - Have gate/station sentry guns open fire on pods
DIAF Seriously
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These are all easily rationalized concepts. We're not asking for protections (like insuring our cargoes), just to level the playing field and make low sec standing actually meaningful. That's all.
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1. Podkills are not allowed for -5 sec (without penalty). Two representatives of CCP said so. Get a clue.
The point is not AFK hauling. I can be right at my keyboard, and come in with some juicy cargo. It takes 5 seconds to scan me down, and less to lock and scram me. By the time Concord arrives, my indy is toast, no matter how well I tank it (indy's just aren't built for that). There is no countermeasure to suicide ganking in high sec space. That's what sec status was supposed to do- provide a penalty. But no, CCP has bent over backwards to provide pvpers with more targets.
And I reject the claim that EVE is a pvp game only. Why have economists on staff for a pvp game? That's an idiotic claim.
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Al Drevika
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Whineroy
Originally by: Malcanis
I love how whiney carebears think that demanding even more NPC protection is "making the game harsher".
Were you one of those kids whose mom abused the ref for allowing "unfairness" whenever your junior soccer league team lost a game?
And I love seeing yet again how ganker nerds prove themselves to be sad hypocritical losers pretending to be big and bad tough guys from behind safety of computer screen. Perhaps if player bounty system really worked and bounties were a real hindrance instead of source of nerdy-loser pride, then people wouldn't be asking for additional NPC protection.
Perhaps you've missed that the "whiney ganker nerds" have been asking - pleading - for a decent bounty system for years.
If a working bounty system is what you want - and I 100% agree that there needs to be one - then ask for that, don't ask for yet more rules and restrictions against PvP in a PvP game.
Sure, I'd be happy with a working bounty system, too. I've been behind that for a long time. I guess I've just given up since it's been rejected for years.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Al Drevika
Sure, I'd be happy with a working bounty system, too. I've been behind that for a long time. I guess I've just given up since it's been rejected for years.
Meanwhile there is a highly efficient exploit to avoid being suicide ganked. Don't spread it around or you'll pretty much eliminate a legitimate profession in EvE, but not going AFK is an almost perfect defence. If anyone asks, I didn't tell you, OK?
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Spurty
Caldari Technologic Dance
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:38:00 -
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leave it as is but make locking pods easier ..even with 2000+ sensor strength, pods get away too easy if their client doesn't lock the controls.
I'd be happy to go collect their bounties after popping their flashy red bs with my own alts + main to out dps, gun and tank them into a free lunch.
I'd like to collect their bounties, not have concord / faction cops collecting thanks To make a mistake is Human. To make a REALLY BIG mistake, takes a computer |
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