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Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.01.06 11:21:00 -
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Part of the problem imo is that officer modules (not sure if faction-fit ships typically get suicided often) do not give the owner protection/bonus commensurate with their value.
Say as an extreme example you fit an Estamels Invuln to your CNR instead of a CN Invuln, or a plain T2 Invuln - well there's 12b+ on your ship straight away but your resists haven't increased by an amount commensurate with the difference in ISK value. An Estamel Invuln'd CNR will still die quickly and effortlessly to a group of 6-7 Torped up insured Ravens that aggress anywhere in high-sec.
Whilst I agree that WTZ mitigates a lot of the danger, and anyone who AFK autopilots around Empire with anything valuable in their cargo or fitted to their ship is a bit of an idiot, I do think it is a bit unreasonable that you can be ganked on the other side of a gate or outside a station with absolutely nothing you can do about it - you can't tank it, you can't escape. That's not stupidity, that's just "wrong place at the wrong time". Is that fair?
Not sure really where I sit on this - people shouldn't be invulnerable in high-sec, but with suicide gank mechanics what they are and the fact that faction/officer module do not confer an a bonus commensurate with their ISK value it does seem skewed in favour of the gankers. 7 overloaded-torp Ravens have a very low cost of operation after insurance is taken into consideration.
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Lei Merdeau
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.06 11:32:00 -
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ISK value is only what people are prepared to pay for it. The law of diminishing returns applies too. You are paying billions for that last 0.01%, and then there's the bragging rights.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.01.06 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel Part of the problem imo is that officer modules (not sure if faction-fit ships typically get suicided often) do not give the owner protection/bonus commensurate with their value.
Say as an extreme example you fit an Estamels Invuln to your CNR instead of a CN Invuln, or a plain T2 Invuln - well there's 12b+ on your ship straight away but your resists haven't increased by an amount commensurate with the difference in ISK value. An Estamel Invuln'd CNR will still die quickly and effortlessly to a group of 6-7 Torped up insured Ravens that aggress anywhere in high-sec.
Whilst I agree that WTZ mitigates a lot of the danger, and anyone who AFK autopilots around Empire with anything valuable in their cargo or fitted to their ship is a bit of an idiot, I do think it is a bit unreasonable that you can be ganked on the other side of a gate or outside a station with absolutely nothing you can do about it - you can't tank it, you can't escape. That's not stupidity, that's just "wrong place at the wrong time". Is that fair?
Not sure really where I sit on this - people shouldn't be invulnerable in high-sec, but with suicide gank mechanics what they are and the fact that faction/officer module do not confer an a bonus commensurate with their ISK value it does seem skewed in favour of the gankers. 7 overloaded-torp Ravens have a very low cost of operation after insurance is taken into consideration.
I don't see a problem here. Cost-benefit analysis is done on everything you do. Sometimes it's just stupid to fit anything above a certain price range on your ship/clone. The stupidity isn't that someone got ganked. It's that he didn't do the cost-benefit calculation or ignored it. Considering risks is a part of that calculation. Don't fly anthing you can't afford to lose applies to everyone all the time. If you can afford to fit billions on a single ship with very little benefit in actually doing it, you had more isk than you had use for anyway.
I would say that if you got ganked in your uber fitted mission ship, it isn't going to be just because of random bad luck. Someone scanned you to make sure it would be worth the cost. They planned to kill you. It has very little to do with "wrong place at the wrong time". Fair is that the gankers get something for all the work they did and penalties they got and fair is that the ganked person had many options to avoid and minimize his chances of being a target. He took the risk and it didn't pay off. It happens.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2009.01.06 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel Say as an extreme example you fit an Estamels Invuln to your CNR instead of a CN Invuln, or a plain T2 Invuln - well there's 12b+ on your ship straight away but your resists haven't increased by an amount commensurate with the difference in ISK value. An Estamel Invuln'd CNR will still die quickly and effortlessly to a group of 6-7 Torped up insured Ravens that aggress anywhere in high-sec.
You can't fly Titans or Motherships in empire, so I fail to see how your point is relevant.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.06 12:03:00 -
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I just noticed that you can squeeze 275,000 EHP (omni) out of an Orca, combined with a shield regen to rival a mid-range mission ship, and still be able to carry more cargo than an Itty V…
Maybe you should try that — it just might be enough to let you AFK with some piece of mind… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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