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Venetian Tar
SkillzKillz United For 0rder
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:26:00 -
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Ok, everytime I get disconnected, which is a lot, I lose my drones! Every damn time!
Do we see any other race's losing their main weapon when they disconnect? No.
As a Gallente (half) I request that you do something about drones, so that they automatically return to your drone bay, or stay with your ship when you disconnect. It's starting to get expensive replacing drones.
If you agree, please sign!
-Venetian Tar. |
Mifter Hogdido
Amarr The 0ri Cute Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:29:00 -
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Would be kind of nice for carriers as well, those fighters get expensive en'mass .
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:30:00 -
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Right after you compare your "main weapon" to other races "main weapon", the discussion moves from "Hmm, interesting" to "Oh for f..." territory.
They are different systems, they have positives and negatives, but PLEASE don't compare them
About loosing them to disconnects, well, you loose other stuff with disconnects too so, no special treatment i guess.
It's not like they cost that much.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:32:00 -
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I suggest a high slot mod for maintaining a link to drones, one mod per drone, which would come in small, medium and large sizes for controlling small, medium & large/sentry drones. It would be an active mod with significant CPU and PG requirements, require cap to run, and require a T2 version to maintain a link to T2 drones.
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Venetian Tar
SkillzKillz United For 0rder
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
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It's not like they cost that much.
No, but when you lose 35 Hammerhead II's in a day, trying to raise your security status, it get's a tiny bit expensive.
As for carriers, that is a different story, I suppose. As I don't actually fly one, and have no intentions of flying one, i'm not sure what happens there.
-Venetian Tar. |
Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:35:00 -
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An autorecall order on disconnect would be nice. If the drones are close enough to reach you before you enter emergency warp you keep them if not then well thats just the luck of the draw.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Venetian Tar No, but when you lose 35 Hammerhead II's in a day, trying to raise your security status, it get's a tiny bit expensive.
Aye, but then again, if you disconnect 7 times..well...something else should be done
In any case, i don't think it's a bad idea for an auto-recall. Wouldn't hurt really.
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Kembla
Shed Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:40:00 -
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/signed
I have lost a few drones due to being disconnected, so I can sympathise. Not everyone has a stable connection.
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Shigsy
Independent Traders Ignition.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:43:00 -
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You dont lose fighters if you disconnect.
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Venetian Tar
SkillzKillz United For 0rder
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Posted - 2009.01.02 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Shigsy You dont lose fighters if you disconnect.
You learn something new everyday, I suppose.
o/ Shigsy btw.
-Venetian Tar. |
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Yelan Zhou on 02/01/2009 14:04:22 You also lose your missiles en route when disconected...
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Rivqua
Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 14:23:00 -
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So, the correct solution is infact, fix your damn internet connection, or computer, or whatever-your-problem is that makes you not stay connected.
So much easier on us and CCP and let them focus on good stuff :)
/Riv
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Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.02 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 02/01/2009 14:30:21 I call this 'The Drone Tax'
Other races spend little bits of ISK continuously as they pewpew with their guns. If you use drones mostly, you spend lots of ISK when you DC (or BSOD, which is usually what happens for me) and very little otherwise.
And yes, it sucks, and it's bull****, but it'll never get changed, because it would be exploited and this is somehow game breaking.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.01.02 14:32:00 -
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Why are your drones warping away from the place you last left them?
Personally I think 'lost' is the wrong word for what happens to drones/fighters. You know roughly where they are. Actually in the case of drones you know exactly where they are. In the case of fighters you know the system. Drones/fighters are not 'lost'...they are 'disobedient bastards that can't be bothered to follow simple orders and try to escape the moment the chance arises'. Much like the Minmatar, oddly enough.
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2009.01.02 14:36:00 -
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Well... strictly speaking, Caldari pilots lose their 'primary' weapon type as soon as they start warp; missiles stop once warp is engaged. Drones continue to fight until you actually leave the grid, so I would hazard a guess and say that Caldari have it worse.
But then, are Blasters and Railguns not the 'primary' weapons (for better or worse) for Gallente and Caldari respectively.
Actually now I think about about it, would other ships not suffer more? For example, the Typhoon (drones - lost, missiles - abandoned, turrets - ok), Arbitrator (drones - lost), etc, etc. And further more, Gallente have the largest drone bays of all the races (generally speaking) so they should be able to feel the pain less, since they should have backup drones.
I think I've just opened a can of worms, oh god, how do I put them back
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Lord Istari
Gallente Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2009.01.02 14:55:00 -
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Yes but when a Caldari Pilot logs back in and rejoins the fight or mission he only lost one volley of missiles. Once out of warp re-engage enemy. When a Gallent pilot warps back in to fight/mission they have to fly to within 2000m of the drone to put it back into the hanger. Not to mention if they were in a mission the NPC's probably destroyed them.
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Venetian Tar
SkillzKillz United For 0rder
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rivqua So, the correct solution is infact, fix your damn internet connection, or computer, or whatever-your-problem is that makes you not stay connected.
So much easier on us and CCP and let them focus on good stuff :)
/Riv
I'm guessing you don't fly Gallente
There is nothing wrong with my internet connection, it's a bug with the client, that some of us get.
Ever since the QR patch... :(
But yeah, anywho. Drones are getting more and more expensive, and I really don't like losing my drones everytime I disconnect because of something CCP side.
Either stop the NPC's shooting the drones, or find some way to autorecall them on a disconnect.
-Venetian Tar. |
Kessiaan
Minmatar Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Khemul Zula Why are your drones warping away from the place you last left them?
If you DC with your drones out it's because you're fighting. PvP isn't an issue because, well, if you DC in a pvp fight you're screwed and drones are the least of your issues.
Which leaves shooting NPCs. Not glamorous but we all do it. If you don't have drones out, and you DC, you warp away, reconnect, warp back, keep shooting, no problem.
If you DC with drones out, depending on how far away they are and how many / what kind of rats you're shooting at, you *might* get back in time to scoop them. If you completely crashed (BSOD) they'll be dead by the time you can get back in.
T2 light drones cost 200-300K a pop. Mediums run about a mil. I don't use heavies 'cause I'm one of those freaks that likes smallish ships. But you get the idea.
I think there should be some sort of E-warp settings for drones. Basically, you'd have options of:
- E-Warp immediately (current behavior) - Recall drones when E-Warp is initiated, wait X seconds for them to return. (strike a balance between GTFO and saving your expensive toys) - Recall drones, wait for them to return, then E-Warp (you'll get your non-sentry drones back but you might explode in the process)
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Venetian Tar
Originally by: Rivqua So, the correct solution is infact, fix your damn internet connection, or computer, or whatever-your-problem is that makes you not stay connected.
So much easier on us and CCP and let them focus on good stuff :)
/Riv
I'm guessing you don't fly Gallente
There is nothing wrong with my internet connection, it's a bug with the client, that some of us get.
Ever since the QR patch... :(
But yeah, anywho. Drones are getting more and more expensive, and I really don't like losing my drones everytime I disconnect because of something CCP side.
Either stop the NPC's shooting the drones, or find some way to autorecall them on a disconnect.
-Venetian Tar.
Have you, by chance, bug reported this? If it's as widespread as you're implying, it would be good to get what information we can, so that we can fix it...
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Well... strictly speaking, Caldari pilots lose their 'primary' weapon type as soon as they start warp; missiles stop once warp is engaged. Drones continue to fight until you actually leave the grid, so I would hazard a guess and say that Caldari have it worse.
But then, are Blasters and Railguns not the 'primary' weapons (for better or worse) for Gallente and Caldari respectively.
Actually now I think about about it, would other ships not suffer more? For example, the Typhoon (drones - lost, missiles - abandoned, turrets - ok), Arbitrator (drones - lost), etc, etc. And further more, Gallente have the largest drone bays of all the races (generally speaking) so they should be able to feel the pain less, since they should have backup drones.
I think I've just opened a can of worms, oh god, how do I put them back
Caldari can relock and continue firing once back in the fight.
The drones are completely abandoned and have to be recollected to be used again. In the middle of a fight, you really don't have the time to do this. Fair enough, in say a Ishtar, Dominix or Vexor, you could easily. In a Thorax, Deimos or Brutix, you need those drones to stay competitive.
Granted, if you disconnect in PVP, you're usually dead anyway. And in missions the rats will quite happily blitz your drones. (Ouch 600k per T2 medium is painful). But the basis of it stands the same, a missile user can easily just relock and start pewing again, Drones are buggered.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:17:00 -
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How often do you disconnect? The Ghost-training vote thread |
sliver 0xD
exiles. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos ... Drones continue to fight until you actually leave the grid...
actualy after +- 200km u lose drone control.
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Brep
Gallente eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Brep on 02/01/2009 15:26:51 while i dont think that drones are all that expensive to make this an issue, it does become a problem when you have a limited drone bay and no means to get replacements. if disconnected it would be very nice if drones would be back in your bay after you log on again. this shouldnt apply of course for when you deliberately leave drones behind by warping off yourself.
this shouldnt be an arguement about missiles or drones but rather that a disconnect can really screw you over in some ships.
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Meha Mott
Minmatar Carebear Research and Produktion Agency
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Well... strictly speaking, Caldari pilots lose their 'primary' weapon type as soon as they start warp; missiles stop once warp is engaged. Drones continue to fight until you actually leave the grid, so I would hazard a guess and say that Caldari have it worse.
But then, are Blasters and Railguns not the 'primary' weapons (for better or worse) for Gallente and Caldari respectively.
Actually now I think about about it, would other ships not suffer more? For example, the Typhoon (drones - lost, missiles - abandoned, turrets - ok), Arbitrator (drones - lost), etc, etc. And further more, Gallente have the largest drone bays of all the races (generally speaking) so they should be able to feel the pain less, since they should have backup drones.
I think I've just opened a can of worms, oh god, how do I put them back
First of all, sorry for my bad English.
This makes me really speechless, a def trolling the forum
If it is to hard, to give a serious and worth able answer,(as an official ccp employee) it is better to say nothing.
If you only answer to that problem, because you feel bored, better go an try to do some mission to see and feel what the op mentioned here.
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Niana Aadlan
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Venetian Tar
Do we see any other race's losing their main weapon when they disconnect? No.
Ctrl-Q is not the insta-pwn shortcut. Stop using it.
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Tabare Vazquez
Uruguay Forever
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Posted - 2009.01.02 15:36:00 -
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I'd like to see larger drone bays in general, to allow for more variety and spare flights. All other weapon types can easily change their optimal range and damage type (well not all but yeah) by loading a different type of ammo, drone users are generally stuck with their one flight of drones and when it's lost it's lost, no more drone DPS. ---- Selling Setele PDU and EANM! (also lots of SS items) |
BruisedMoon
Amarr Power Seed Enterprises A.X.I.S
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Posted - 2009.01.02 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Venetian Tar
Originally by: Rivqua So, the correct solution is infact, fix your damn internet connection, or computer, or whatever-your-problem is that makes you not stay connected.
So much easier on us and CCP and let them focus on good stuff :)
/Riv
I'm guessing you don't fly Gallente
Not to thread jack or anything, but yeah this is a pretty wide spread bug haha. If CCP played the game alittle more they would hear people *****ing about it all the time.
Peoples clients are just crashing for no reason now.. everytime they do a session change. My self I am fine, so I dont know it might be a simliar chip set or something.
There is nothing wrong with my internet connection, it's a bug with the client, that some of us get.
Ever since the QR patch... :(
But yeah, anywho. Drones are getting more and more expensive, and I really don't like losing my drones everytime I disconnect because of something CCP side.
Either stop the NPC's shooting the drones, or find some way to autorecall them on a disconnect.
-Venetian Tar.
Have you, by chance, bug reported this? If it's as widespread as you're implying, it would be good to get what information we can, so that we can fix it...
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Venetian Tar
SkillzKillz United For 0rder
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Posted - 2009.01.02 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Venetian Tar
Originally by: Rivqua <snip>
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Have you, by chance, bug reported this? If it's as widespread as you're implying, it would be good to get what information we can, so that we can fix it...
I haven't bug reported it, but I know others have. The last bug report I did got "lost"... And now, you are reading my signature.
-Venetian Tar.
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Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2009.01.02 16:08:00 -
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Larger drone bays will not happen, just think of it as lag prevention.
Maybe, if you are prone to run into this often, this might help: set your drones to passive. I have now twice being able to get my T2 drones back after the dreadful "sockets loss", which btw, disappeared after I reset (turn off/ wait/ back on) my router. And when I get back into the mission 5 unharmed drones just float there waiting to be collected.
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2009.01.02 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tabare Vazquez I'd like to see larger drone bays in general, to allow for more variety and spare flights. All other weapon types can easily change their optimal range and damage type (well not all but yeah) by loading a different type of ammo, drone users are generally stuck with their one flight of drones and when it's lost it's lost, no more drone DPS.
I would like you to name the ship in EVE that uses drones as its primary weapons system, but still only fits one flight please?
Also, to the guy who Dc'd 7 frickin times, no, its just you, there is no client side problem, that "some of us are having".
If your crashing 7 times, you, your ISP, or your CPU are doing something terribly wrong. If there was a decent percentage of people crashing out of game, there would be a giant flame fest on these very forums crying for CCP to be burned at the stake.
Fix your junk
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