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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.15 05:47:00 -
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Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are not the blue loot NPC buy orders getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which should be balanced with the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents. LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
Derth Ramir
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:04:00 -
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Can you please explain what this blue loot is? |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:10:00 -
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death to incursions |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
993
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:14:00 -
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Incursions finally got nerfed? |
T' Elk
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
363
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:16:00 -
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Ubad, mro?
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno is coming // The Beard is Back, Ladies and Gents! |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:20:00 -
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Are you suggesting that a buff to miners and a nerf to high sec income are in the same line as wormhole pilots?
Yes, yes you are.
Because you're stupid. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:21:00 -
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Derth Ramir wrote:Can you please explain what this blue loot is?
------UNIWIKI QUOTE JUNE 2011 :-----
Sleepers leave wrecks containing Sleeper Components (called 'blue loot' because of the color of the items' icons) which can be sold to some NPC stations. The wrecks can be salvaged for Ancient Salvage Materials, which are used in Tech 3 production and can be sold to other players. The blue loot can be sold to some NPC Stations and some regions may not contain any of those stations. So be wary when you sell the Blue Loot and check the prices carefully since in those regions often other players have set up buy orders for the loot at much lower prices.
Neural Network Analyzers can be sold for 50,000 ISK and drop in all Sleeper ship classes. Sleeper Data Libraries can be sold for 200,000 ISK and drop in all Sleeper ship classes. Ancient Coordinates can be sold for 1,500,000 ISK and can drop from cruisers and battleships. Sleeper Drone AI Nexuses can be sold for 5,000,000 ISK and drop mostly from battleships.
Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:24:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis
1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners 2) there is infinitely more risk in wormholes than in welfare incursions |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:36:00 -
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Who do I have to give a blow job to to escape the Escalation nerfs like the Worm hole residents did to escape getting pissed on like the rest of Eve? An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's-á crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'-á |
Endeavour Starfleet
803
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:37:00 -
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There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho. |
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Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
175
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:43:00 -
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1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around. 2. wormholes make butt loads of money because they help produce a lot of good. Mostly because it is a dangerous environment. And because some people don't like living in only a few solar systems for long periods of time. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Grumpymunky
Super Monkey Tribe of Danger
95
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:49:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:There is one thing that needs to be nerfed if all these others go into effect.. AFK Cloaking. Not sure about Wormholes tho. AFK cloaking doesn't earn anything, so it needs a buff.
Digital Messiah wrote:they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around. Pretty sure money from NPC buy orders was not already "floating around."
Post with your monkey. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:49:00 -
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Digital Messiah wrote:1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.
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bull crap SLEEPER BLUE LOOT is a ISK faucet pure & simple because it injects ISK into Eve through NPC buy orders! To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
145
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:54:00 -
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Nerf Jove space too. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
3
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Posted - 2012.04.15 06:59:00 -
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maybe because wh offers REAL risk |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:00:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Nerf Jove space too.
Its my understanding Jove space was nerfed when CCP laid off a bunch of co-workers after the Incarna fiasco late last year & WiS & WoD got axed To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
483
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:01:00 -
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i don't know much about wormhole but w/e this blue loot is could go or get changed to something else to make it not an isk faucet. but wormholes don't need a nerf i would like to see more jspace though maybe new effects as well. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:08:00 -
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Lanasak wrote:
1) there's a lot more people cashing out blue loot than there are incursion runners
Not according to Dr E at Fanfest both are around 5%, no? I bet those cashing out blue loot is alot less then 5% & WH residents on top of that get nano ribbons which are worth ALOT more then crappy Concord LP which can only be worth while with overpriced 6% 'plants & Capitol faction modules unless you convert it at a 20%+ reduction to non faction warefare LP. Hey CCP how about allowing Concord LP to be traded to faction LP at a 70% rate to even things out more? To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
593
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:41:00 -
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They earn it by taking extraordinary risk. You, not so much. Enjoy your nerf, and U MAD BRO? http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
122
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:41:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Derth Ramir wrote:Can you please explain what this blue loot is? ------UNIWIKI QUOTE JUNE 2011 :----- Sleepers leave wrecks containing Sleeper Components (called 'blue loot' because of the color of the items' icons) which can be sold to some NPC stations. The wrecks can be salvaged for Ancient Salvage Materials, which are used in Tech 3 production and can be sold to other players. The blue loot can be sold to some NPC Stations and some regions may not contain any of those stations. So be wary when you sell the Blue Loot and check the prices carefully since in those regions often other players have set up buy orders for the loot at much lower prices. Neural Network Analyzers can be sold for 50,000 ISK and drop in all Sleeper ship classes. Sleeper Data Libraries can be sold for 200,000 ISK and drop in all Sleeper ship classes. Ancient Coordinates can be sold for 1,500,000 ISK and can drop from cruisers and battleships. Sleeper Drone AI Nexuses can be sold for 5,000,000 ISK and drop mostly from battleships.
Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis Between 8-10 trillion ISK 1/3 or less of what bounties inject. Difference between Incursions & sleeper income: sleeper income also on top of that gives ribbon salvage which DWARF'S incursion income ( no appreciable salvage in incursions )
You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases. In some cases it is a Wormhole Corps primary means of immediate income for its members as the real Sleeper loot gets used in manufacturing as do the majority of other materials aquired in Wormholes.
Not speaking for the wormhole raiders here, just the Corps that actually live there. As for those other chaps, I'm sure they get what they get based on what class of Wormhole they are raiding and how long they spend there.
You also have to consider time investment here. Wormholers probably have one of the highest time requirements placed on them with regard to managing their POSs, mining Gasses, Scanning, and running Sleeper sites which aren't exactly as common as missions or even remotely frequent spawners. Then there is just general time spent scouting and watching and spying/surveiling, which accounts for almost half of any wormholers time in game provided they actually make an effort and don't just show up to blow up Sleepers.
In all, it has a high burnout factor for anyone that actually invests in it actively in game, and you want to take away the one relatively guaranteed payout for all that time invested. Good job. TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
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Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
19
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:48:00 -
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I don't even know wtf is being said up in here yo |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
548
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Posted - 2012.04.15 07:50:00 -
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I think the plan is to run some incursions in some wormholes, then when all the big shiny 5 billion isk incursion ships are all in those wormholes, they will sut. Permanently. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:20:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases. Good job.
Ummm it is injecting the same amount of ISK into EVE as Incursions are so no I am not exagerating. Same amount of players are doing them as incursions & WH palyers are making much more bank in ribbons on top of the blue loot.
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
476
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:21:00 -
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Yes, all bounties should be removed and turned into "blue loot", like tags that you need to sell to NPCs to receive any ISK .
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:32:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote: You also have to consider time investment here. Wormholers probably have one of the highest time requirements placed on them with regard to managing their POSs, mining Gasses, Scanning, and running Sleeper sites which aren't exactly as common as missions or even remotely frequent spawners. Then there is just general time spent scouting and watching and spying/surveiling, which accounts for almost half of any wormholers time in game provided they actually make an effort and don't just show up to blow up Sleepers.
In all, it has a high burnout factor for anyone that actually invests in it actively in game, and you want to take away the one relatively guaranteed payout for all that time invested. Good job.
-OK I agree granted there is ALOT more investment time in WHs NO ARGUEMENT THERE!! But NULL SEC too has that investment time & they are getting screwed in the drone regions... why are WH residents being exempted from the need to reduce inflation ( is Hilmar getting handy's from all yous on the sly? :) -Believe it or not Incursions have a big BURN OUT FACTOR TOO. - Remeber not all incursions are HI SEC incursions & especially lo sec incursions should not be seeing these nerfs too -Why are WH residents not participating in the reduction of ISK faucets?!?!?! again: ... why are WH residents being exempted from the need to reduce inflation ( is Hilmar getting handy's from all yous on the sly? :) - I STILL HOLD THAT : The WH peeps have been sheltered too long though IMHO they got thier game down now & the ISK infusions are unnecessary anymore
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
572
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:33:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Mars Theran wrote:You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases. Good job. Ummm it is injecting the same amount of ISK into EVE as Incursions are so no I am not exagerating. Same amount of players are doing them as incursions & WH palyers are making much more bank in ribbons on top of the blue loot.
Have you ever been in a WH for some time?
WH players are actually sacrificing a lot and doing a lot of hardship to earn that. It's like Far West minus (often times) the railway to get back home.
Blue loot could be turned into something craftable and sold to players instead of NPCs, but nerfing WHers income is certainly NOT the way to go. You can't even begin to compare WH to incursions. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
302
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:34:00 -
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Darth, I likes your points BUT I VEHEMENTLY PROTEST THE RACIST IDIOM IN YOUR THREAD TITLE. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:38:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:Darth, I likes your points BUT I VEHEMENTLY PROTEST THE RACIST IDIOM IN YOUR THREAD TITLE.
A SCOT is a racist idiom? As an american I need explaination of that if true I am sorry honestly ! ( or are you just trolling? ) Scot free is a term I used in elementary school w/o a frown... is it a bad term else where? Then again we used the term Inidian givers in school w/o punishment & today I guess I'd get a tongue lashing for that To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
147
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Posted - 2012.04.15 08:46:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Blue loot could be turned into something craftable and sold to players instead of NPCs
Ummm no it can't you are talking about something else.
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Rimase
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
22
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Posted - 2012.04.15 09:06:00 -
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Please lock this thread and incinerate it. (Why CCP no improve Shareholding?): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=71032#post71032 |
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