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Prophet Avater
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:41:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
Because CCP want's people to move away from high sec into WH space, if null sec is like the wild west, wh space is hell for the average high sec care bear. |
Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:51:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house
If wormhole systems are so great, why aren't you in there raking it in? Hmm, let's see, because of the risk. I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |
Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
205
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Posted - 2012.04.26 14:07:00 -
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On the plus side, OP, you've created a massive thread full of good arguements.
On the negative, all the arguements are against you, revealing you for the moron you are.
To keep it fair and inline with wormholes, OP, let's make every system that spawns an incursion 0.0 Let's also remove local and gates. Hey whilst we're at it, we should make each system only have 1 or 2 sites respawn a day. Oh AND we should make it so that people can enter that system from any part of space.
Once we've done that, lets make you have to find and carry your loot for several jumps before you can sell it. Don't worry though, we'll make it so that when you find a way out of your system with no gates that the exit has a chance of collapsing via mass or time.
If that isn't fair enough, how about we make you keep all of your ships inside a structure that can be destroyed. Hey, let's make you pay for that structure too AND FUEL IT! Let's also make it so that other people have access to your stuff.
There are a whole lot more fun things we have to do to make incursions = wormholes but then incursions would = wormholes.
Wait, why are we comparing these two again?
Dumbass. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
165
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:31:00 -
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Must be nice to be let alone from CCP in Wormhole space ... I guess I should make it my mission to go where ever CCP is ignoring to carve out my own happy niche in Eve. To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
792
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:55:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Must be nice to be let alone from CCP in Wormhole space ... I guess I should make it my mission to go where ever CCP is ignoring to carve out my own happy niche in Eve. By all means, please, move in to wormhole space. Especially since we know this your main.
I would be happy to take a few t3s off your hands, I hear they drop good loot and salvage pretty well too.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2012.04.27 09:58:00 -
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He doesn't even read what other people post, just rants on inane.
Should be banned. ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
792
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:24:00 -
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Roime wrote:He doesn't even read what other people post, just rants on inane.
Should be banned. Yeah, but this thread is making an epic case for buffing wormholes so I say let it be.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2012.04.27 10:28:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Must be nice to be let alone from CCP in Wormhole space ... I guess I should make it my mission to go where ever CCP is ignoring to carve out my own happy niche in Eve.
You could but are your really cut out for it?
Wormhole life comes with real (well real virtual) risks attached unlike HiSec Incursions. We don't have the soft fluffy cushions of station living with infinite and theft proof storage, easy repair, cloning facilities or easy risk free access to the market.
Every post of yours I've seen has failed to look past the cash that could be earned and to take into account the underlying costs (both ISK and time) and risks of the lifestyle. |
Tasiv Deka
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.27 12:46:00 -
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this thread has been quite the read and i hope to get many more days of enjoyment out of it
also adding that just because someone lives outside a wormhole they dont raid them on occasion... ( i've watched a many of people do just that and have heard the testimonies) CCP add another race of ships into the game... Not even the people just the ships... now i know there would be all sorts of copyright issues to iron out... but i want to fly an Irken Titan known as the "Massive"... Invader Zim is an amazing show. |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.04.27 13:36:00 -
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Yes, it is nice that CCP isn't needlessly nerfing W-space.
I do hear that sleeper dreadnoughts might be introduced because they don't like capital escalations the way they are. I take that as a buff though, gotta keep that bearing top notch in the best part of EVE. One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
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Tasiv Deka
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:27:00 -
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Michael1995 wrote:Yes, it is nice that CCP isn't needlessly nerfing W-space. I do hear that sleeper dreadnoughts might be introduced because they don't like capital escalations the way they are. I take that as a buff though, gotta keep that bearing top notch in the best part of EVE.
while my wormhole experieince at the time of this post is mostly randomly spying on others wormholes and doing a couple c1 (or 2s i cant really remember) i can say i would love the oppurtunity to fight a sleeper dread... CCP add another race of ships into the game... Not even the people just the ships... now i know there would be all sorts of copyright issues to iron out... but i want to fly an Irken Titan known as the "Massive"... Invader Zim is an amazing show. |
Helen Nearning
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.27 17:45:00 -
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Must be nice to live in la-la land. The OP needs to look at all the ships lost getting the blue loot. If WH loot is roughly the same isk faucet as wh's you are only looking at half of the equation. WH isk - all the poor ships that are blown up in wh sites = way less than incursion isk.
Given that, it would seem they either need to buff wh isk or nerf incursion isk. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
166
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:48:00 -
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Helen Nearning wrote:Must be nice to live in la-la land. The OP needs to look at all the ships lost getting the blue loot. If WH loot is roughly the same isk faucet as wh's you are only looking at half of the equation. WH isk - all the poor ships that are blown up in wh sites = way less than incursion isk.
Given that, it would seem they either need to buff wh isk or nerf incursion isk.
You are incorrect WH sleeper ISK injection is slightly greater then Incursion ISK for every month of Incursions existance except possibly 1. WH sleeper nano ribbons on top of blue loot more then make up for ship losses from what I hear ( tuff to find any hard numbers on that though ) To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.04.27 23:57:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Helen Nearning wrote:Must be nice to live in la-la land. The OP needs to look at all the ships lost getting the blue loot. If WH loot is roughly the same isk faucet as wh's you are only looking at half of the equation. WH isk - all the poor ships that are blown up in wh sites = way less than incursion isk.
Given that, it would seem they either need to buff wh isk or nerf incursion isk. You are incorrect WH sleeper ISK injection is slightly greater then Incursion ISK for every month of Incursions existance except possibly 1. WH sleeper nano ribbons on top of blue loot more then make up for ship losses from what I hear ( tuff to find any hard numbers on that though ) Sleeper isk injection is slightly higher than Incursion Isk injection, and done by more people (i think we proved that earlier) with way higher risks.
That's why WH's aren't being touched, and you know it.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
167
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:20:00 -
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CCP I'm still asking why there is no Inferno in the worm hole? To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
167
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:22:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:[quote=DarthNefarius][quote=Helen Nearning] Sleeper isk injection is slightly higher than Incursion Isk injection, and done by more people (i think we proved that earlier) with way higher risks.
. You didn't prove jack shite To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
876
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:26:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:You didn't prove jack shite
DarthNefarius wrote:Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are). This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them.
People scan down sites in high sec, jump in and run c1/c2 wormholes in their drakes or overpriced tengus. Similarly, people scan down C3s in low sec and do the same, a lot of major null sec alliances scan down c5/c6 whs and have entire capital ops where they jump in and clear capital escalation sites. In fact recently I think -A- took over a few WH systems for this very purpose.
None of these people live in wormholes, they live in high sec, low sec and null sec, yet they likely contribute just as much to the total amount of blue loot farmed as any WH dweller. And this is why your stats are completely useless, because the number of people living in wormholes, which is hard to calculate accurately anyway, is not even remotely related to the number of people raiding wormholes for PvE content.
DarthNefarius wrote:If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space. If you're talking about the graph showing the number of incursions runners that is fairly useless for your purposes for the reason stated above. But, assuming it was useful, that looks like ~17,000 people running incursions, right?
How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?
400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600
So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?
Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
167
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:27:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.
You talking tome about statisics?!?!? lol You've never ever shown one & crude outta your arse
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
890
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:29:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:You talking to me about statisics?!?!? lol You've never ever shown one xcept crude outta your arse
DarthNefarius wrote:Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are). This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them.
People scan down sites in high sec, jump in and run c1/c2 wormholes in their drakes or overpriced tengus. Similarly, people scan down C3s in low sec and do the same, a lot of major null sec alliances scan down c5/c6 whs and have entire capital ops where they jump in and clear capital escalation sites. In fact recently I think -A- took over a few WH systems for this very purpose.
None of these people live in wormholes, they live in high sec, low sec and null sec, yet they likely contribute just as much to the total amount of blue loot farmed as any WH dweller. And this is why your stats are completely useless, because the number of people living in wormholes, which is hard to calculate accurately anyway, is not even remotely related to the number of people raiding wormholes for PvE content.
DarthNefarius wrote:If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space. If you're talking about the graph showing the number of incursions runners that is fairly useless for your purposes for the reason stated above. But, assuming it was useful, that looks like ~17,000 people running incursions, right?
How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?
400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600
So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?
Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:35:00 -
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Only if you were in a high position at CCP stuffing up the game sure. Even then I'd think CCP with all their mistakes would notice how bad an idea Wormhole stabilizers would be.
Please go back to getting kicked from Incursion fleets and dying to the rats, we really don't need more crappy suggestions on these forums. One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
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Kassandra Thiesant
Plastic Knives
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:11:00 -
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I agree with this thread. Wormholes need higher payout.
I've been in WH space a little bit and I get chased out by people constantly trying to drop on me and kill me.
It's hard to make money in WH space when this sort of stuff is happening. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
185
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:28:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Derth Ramir wrote:
Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis Between 8-10 trillion ISK 1/3 or less of what bounties inject. Difference between Incursions & sleeper income: sleeper income also on top of that gives ribbon salvage which DWARF'S incursion income ( no appreciable salvage in incursions ) You're exagerating. Blue loot isn't really worth that much considering all the costs associated with aquiring it and the number of players it gets spread around to in most cases. .
-I am not exagerating. Blue loot is a bigger ISK injector then Incursion payouts.
-CCP's Escalation to Inferno NERFing b!tch slapped HI SEC (thru Incursion site time increases) & Lo SEC (Drone poo anhilation& Incursions NERF) PvE Incomes yet left W-Space scot free. Expect a mass migration there over the summer.
CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
32
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:56:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:
-I am not exagerating. Blue loot is a bigger ISK injector then Incursion payouts.
-CCP's Escalation to Inferno NERFing b!tch slapped HI SEC (thru Incursion site time increases) & Lo SEC (Drone poo anhilation& Incursions NERF) PvE Incomes yet left W-Space scot free. Expect a mass migration there over the summer.
I love your raging all over the forum.
all CCP did is putting incursion into its right place. stop blaming them |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:04:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:
-CCP's Escalation to Inferno NERFing b!tch slapped HI SEC (thru Incursion site time increases) & Lo SEC (Drone poo anhilation& Incursions NERF) PvE Incomes yet left W-Space scot free. Expect a mass migration there over the summer.
>Mass migration >Wormhole space
I wouldn't count on it, mate. |
Tasiv Deka
Ganked And T Bagged
37
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:12:00 -
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Takseen wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
-CCP's Escalation to Inferno NERFing b!tch slapped HI SEC (thru Incursion site time increases) & Lo SEC (Drone poo anhilation& Incursions NERF) PvE Incomes yet left W-Space scot free. Expect a mass migration there over the summer.
>Mass migration >Wormhole space I wouldn't count on it, mate.
it would be nice though its fun to harass people that come into our wormhole
Nathan Jameson: "Are we playing the same game? You do **** in EVE because you can. " way to go ccp making me have to change things around just to get a good signature |
Letrange
Chaosstorm Corporation
46
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:38:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Digital Messiah wrote:1. they are not a faucet, because they do not bring in more isk as a number they simply use what is already floating around.
. bull crap SLEEPER BLUE LOOT is a ISK faucet pure & simple because it injects ISK into Eve through NPC buy orders!
As much as I hate to agree with a whiny butt hurt incursion pilot - he's right they are a semi-pure faucet. (semi-pure since they can be destroyed en route). Mainly because they have no other use than to turn into NPCs for iskies. Incidentally I'm not against removing them from wormhole drops per see, but you'd see a large reduction in wormhole population rather quickly as the only reason to then live in wormhole space would be sleeper salvage and mining gas clouds. And I thought incursion pilots didn't like to mine?
I think the net effect of such a move would be to send melted nanoribbon prices thru the roof. Which would seriously increase the price of Tech 3 ships. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1619
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:55:00 -
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Everything that creats ISK in the game is an ISK faucet. Mining is an ISK faucet. Salvaging. ISK faucet. Ratting is an ISK faucet...
Sleeper loot is also an ISK faucet. WH's aren't getting nerfed because...
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM! The risk vs. reward in WH space is balanced.
And no...WH sleeper loot does not generate more ISK than Incursions. CCP has already stated this. Stop trying to say otherwise. Just because you keep saying it does not make it any more true. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
185
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:18:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Everything that creats ISK in the game is an ISK faucet. Mining is an ISK faucet. Salvaging. ISK faucet. Ratting is an ISK faucet...
Sleeper loot is also an ISK faucet. WH's aren't getting nerfed because...
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM! The risk vs. reward in WH space is balanced.
And no...WH sleeper loot does not generate more ISK than Incursions. CCP has already stated this. Stop trying to say otherwise. Just because you keep saying it does not make it any more true.
Everything is not an ISK faucet... there are also materials faucets that create wealth too yes but unlike the ISK faucets the materials are getting destroyed in large numbers threw the mineral sink known as ship destruction. The ISK sinks are hugely dwarfed in the game by the materials sinks.
CCP has stated that more ISK is generated by the WH NPC sleeper buy orders then incursion. Here is a breakdown by a CSM o a stat for a single month provided by CCP Diagoras: Tuesday, March 13, 2012It's the economy, stupid So I started wondering a bit about the state of the economy in EVE right now. There were some posts on FHC musing about the amount of ISK flowing into the economy right now, and since CCP Diagoras was kind enough to tweet a bunch of stats, I decided to do some math and add it all up. Here it is:
Item Source/Sink Monthly Amount Wormhole blue books Source $10,430,000,000,000 Incursions Rewards Source $8,566,015,400,900 Mission Rewards Source $2,470,815,985,076 Misson Bonuses Source $2,346,410,541,970 Insurance Payouts Source $3,366,455,121,035 Insurance Costs Sink -$1,618,888,782,680 NPC Bounties Source $32,083,329,999,805 NPC Sell Orders Sink -$13,000,000,000,000 Transaction Taxes* Sink -$2,375,100,000,000 Broker Fees* Sink -$2,607,100,000,000 LP Store* Sink -$6,331,570,000,000 PI Construction* Sink -$627,850,000,000 Clones* Sink -$910,600,000,000 Office Rental* Sink -$488,650,000,000 War Fees* Sink -$149,350,000,000 Repair Bills* Sink -$287,100,000,000 PI NPC Taxes* Sink -$741,820,000,000 Sov Bills* Sink -$809,100,000,000 Contract Brokers Fee* Sink -$301,600,000,000 Contract Sales Tax* Sink -$324,800,000,000
Total $28,689,498,266,106
Anything with a * is based on a single day for February, everything else is a full month's data from Diagoras.
Since there were 29 days in February this year, this comes out to almost exactly 1 trillion ISK per day entering the economy. Because CCP no longer publishes QENs, we don't have any recent data to compare this to, but in the last published QEN (for the 4th quarter of 2010), the rate was 0.38 trilion ISK per day, or a little over 1/3 of the current rate. Subscriber numbers were lower then, but not by much. The QEN puts the monthly NPC bounty amounts at about 24 trillion ISK, compared to 32 trillion now. This accounts for about 0.27 trillion ISK per day, or about half of the difference. The rest is accounted for by Incursions.
http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html
CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
38
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:28:00 -
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That looks pretty good to me. Wormholes require more effort and risk, so we should get more isk out of it. Nothing to see here. Move along. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
184
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:14:00 -
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are you sure some of those numbers weren't from a full year?10 trillion? 8 trillion? I'm pretty certain the fanfest video listed those off as last years annual influx from those sources.
Let me check. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
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