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Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.09 20:16:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:BTW, I thought you guys weren`t doing WH anymore since that thing with ARHAM and KnR
Again, there is no "you guys", just me. So I'm free to **** off much of W-space "community" by arguing for reduced isk and increased difficulty of operating large blobs, nobody else will suffer for my forum whoring
PS. Assuming you mean RnK I wasn't aware ccres had had a "thing" with them. But I've been away for almost two years so who knows. Don't really care either, mind. |
Diego Sarmoti
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
0
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Posted - 2012.06.09 21:45:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote:Again, there is no "you guys", just me. So I'm free to **** off much of W-space "community" by arguing for reduced isk and increased difficulty of operating large blobs, nobody else will suffer for my forum whoring
First you say you've been doing cap escalations by yourself for years, then in the next sentence you've been away for two years. And yet you proclaim to have the current 411 on wh life.
Self-destruction is still a ship loss = risk. You, being from CCRES are familiar with this function of the game, yes? Caps are lost all the time in w-space.. bunches of them are recorded... I'm guessing at least half aren't.
I don't know what la-la land you were in during your 2 year "omg we got rolfcurbstomped so bad we didn't want to show by aharm, now I'm quitting" hiatus, but wow CCRES talking about how non-risky wh space is... just too rich to bother with.
If anything you are just making the argument that there should be MORE isk and risk in wh's not less, so self-righteous four-account care-bears have everything to worry about each time the roll out their "bling" If they have one tower in a C5+, it should be worthwhile for people to kick them out. As it stands, it's marginal at best.
If you haven't found small gang warfare in (or from) wh's you simply aren't looking. There is no arguing that, it's just a fact. There are real risks and real rewards. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
77
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Posted - 2012.06.09 22:00:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:BTW, I thought you guys weren`t doing WH anymore since that thing with ARHAM and KnR
Again, there is no "you guys", just me. So I'm free to **** off much of W-space "community" by arguing for reduced isk and increased difficulty of operating large blobs, nobody else will suffer for my forum whoring PS. Assuming you mean RnK I wasn't aware ccres had had a "thing" with them. But I've been away for almost two years so who knows. Don't really care either, mind. Darth V2.0 |
Ryoken McKeon
Monoideism Annex Group Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
10
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Posted - 2012.06.09 23:42:00 -
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OP, if WH income is so good why don't you try your hand? No balls. |
rofflesausage
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.06.10 01:41:00 -
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No local No hotdrops No easy jump freighter logistics No easy gate camps No station docking games Actual effort required to get back in once you've been podded
Lets leave the holes to the pros, eh?
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1201
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Posted - 2012.06.10 01:48:00 -
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rofflesausage wrote:No local No hotdrops No easy jump freighter logistics No easy gate camps No station docking games Actual effort required to get back in once you've been podded
Lets leave the holes to the pros, eh?
Oh for the love of god especially that one.
Jump freighters have to have been one of the silliest things ever to be implemented in this game. I also quite like the way WHs tend to encourage fighting in space, rather than on gates or stations.
Either way, the "look at the shiny kills" argument used above is silly. Shiny fits like that are common in null sec, low sec and high sec. The main difference is that in null sec, low sec and high sec those ships very rarely actually die. Hence, no kill mails.
And no, I don't live in WH space. I live in low sec, and it's pretty damn safe.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.10 06:23:00 -
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Diego Sarmoti wrote:Qui Shon wrote:Again, there is no "you guys", just me. So I'm free to **** off much of W-space "community" by arguing for reduced isk and increased difficulty of operating large blobs, nobody else will suffer for my forum whoring First you say you've been doing cap escalations by yourself for years, then in the next sentence you've been away for two years. And yet you proclaim to have the current 411 on wh life.
Lol, not been doing them continuously ofc (mind staggers at the trillions I'd have if I had been doing w-space PvE constantly), but did 'em for the first couple years, and been doing them again after coming back. Soon I shall have amassed enough isk to never need to do PvE again, and it'll be all pew from there on.
Quote:You, being from CCRES are familiar with this function of the game, yes?[ No, me, being me, am familiar with the game. Why do you want to drag my old corp into it all the time?
Quote:I don't know what la-la land you were in during your 2 year "omg we got rolfcurbstomped so bad we didn't want to show by aharm, now I'm quitting" hiatus, but wow CCRES talking about how non-risky wh space is... just too rich to bother with.
Ahahaa, now I know why you want to drag the corp in, you lack angles to attack me personally with, so you think attacking ccres will win you forum pvp points, as if this was coad or you knew anything about it. PS. if you're still too stupid to get it, it isn't "ccres" talking, it's me, Qui Shon.
But okay, I'll give your silly flames some fuel, it might be fun. I "quit" before aharm and their merc horde kicked us out. but I came back for that last stand, and it felt like quite some effort just to move my ships and alts back in. It was perhaps my greatest disappointment in game so far when there was no fight to be had, but that doesn't bother me anymore.
CCRES had already gone from winning every engagement vs aharm and almost everything vs other corps and being on top of w-space during the first year, to losing half the fights and to finally becoming a corp where I couldn't stay in home system for a day without raging at some ******* who failed at copying bookmarks (only to have an later-to-be-discovered-as aharm spy defend them, further pissing me off and driving me away from home). When aharm and their merc horde finally kicked us out, they achieved parity in isk destroyed/lost vs CCRES (all those faction towers), and then went on to become one of if not the top corp of w-space, while ccres continued dying a slow death. And now it's officially dead, so your no doubt continuing attacks will be against a corpse
Quote:If they have one tower in a C5+, it should be worthwhile for people to kick them out. As it stands, it's marginal at best. Lul, I used to kick out small corps like that all on my own, back in the good old days. It was always worthwhile, because I enjoyed it, even when they sd:d everything. |
Diego Sarmoti
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
2
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Posted - 2012.06.10 08:10:00 -
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You have yet to make a valid point as to why wh blue isk needs to be nerfed. So far is been bitter vet diatribe against bling, lame (faulty) logic mixed with a dash of contradiction... so yeah I feel it's fair game to point out some history for other readers (poor souls) of this awful thread so they can have a point of reference.
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Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.10 09:02:00 -
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Diego Sarmoti wrote:You have yet to make a valid point as to why wh blue isk needs to be nerfed. So far is been bitter vet diatribe against bling, lame (faulty) logic mixed with a dash of contradiction... so yeah I feel it's fair game to point out some history for other readers (poor souls) of this awful thread so they can have a point of reference.
Backpedaling already? It's too late for you to appear as a non-flamer now. I expected better flaming tbh. Or none at all if it was discussion you wanted, but on page 20+ almost nobody will want that. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
78
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Posted - 2012.06.10 09:16:00 -
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whiny old hag can't keep up with the game anymore wants everyone plays the game his way
sound like those risk-adverse carebears whining about complete safety in hisec |
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Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.10 09:38:00 -
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Lol, now that's more what I expected yeah. But maybe it was unfair to Diego to expect the same **** from him as you spew out in every thread Apo |
joes Bazooka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.06.10 10:15:00 -
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You guys need to get a room and have free hugs. |
Mallak Azaria
193
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Posted - 2012.06.10 13:21:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Blue loot is a ISK FOUNTAIN that injects as much ISK into the EVE economy as incursions do on a monthly basis
Except there's a major difference to them. Wormholes are a high-risk venture, running incursions in highsec was not.
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Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
12
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Posted - 2012.06.10 14:39:00 -
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I remember two years ago Mr. Bigwinsky tought me a lesson how not to lose a badger II with 700mill worth in loot while doing a chain of TWO w-system to hisec in his nice proteous (if I remember correctly). Tell me if that is no risky environment or not suited for the dumb? |
Diego Sarmoti
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
2
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Posted - 2012.06.10 18:42:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote: Backpedaling already? It's too late for you to appear as a non-flamer now. I expected better flaming tbh. Or none at all if it was discussion you wanted, but on page 20+ almost nobody will want that.
I told you why nobody takes you (and the op) seriously, if that is backpedaling in your book, fine by me. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1206
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Posted - 2012.06.10 20:19:00 -
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Good news guys, Darth is finally unsubbing this week.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1454100#post1454100
It seems adapting is too hard, he's going to leave because he can't make any ISK. Everyone be sure to add him to watch list and mock him if he's still online in 7 days.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
11
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Posted - 2012.06.10 22:00:00 -
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Ceeeeeeeelebrate good times COME ON! Dudu du du Shook Eelm's hand at Fanfest 2012 |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
742
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Posted - 2012.06.11 03:16:00 -
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I canGÇÖt see why the fuss about GÇÿblue lootGÇÖ. They are simply the sleeper analogue of the other ratsGÇÖ bounties. Rather than CONCORD, or whoever, paying you a bounty when you kill a pirat you get the grab those blue things from the wrecks and later various NPCs in empire space will buy them from you for a fixed amount. Just like other rats you also get to salvage the wrecks and, unlike most other rats, you can get some pretty nice salvage items GǪ subject to the incessant GÇÿCCP nerfed melted dropsGÇÖ moans.
Making your isk from Sleeper-PvE is a whole different game to hisec missions or incursions, or even lowsec / nullsec plexes. Not only are you GÇÿrattingGÇÖ in a very hostile environment (no-sec and no-local) but you do not realise a single milli-isk in income until you also haul your takings to empire space and to a system where you can sell it on the market. My biggest single loss in eve was around 5 billion GǪ hauling a few weeks of sleeper takings thru hisec to market. IGÇÖd got it safely out of w-space, thru an adjoining C2, but stupidly ran the 4-jump hisec route in my hauler rather than 20+ jumping a fenrir / orca / prowler over to pick it up. It was an expensive lesson, and a major delay for the get-subs-a-jump-freighter program.
Obviously the nerf-everything brigade are gonna want to nerf w-space too GǪ but IMO being a bear in w-space is a whole different thing to PvE anywhere else in eve. You can certainly earn a lot of isk, but not without surmounting some pretty major risks GǪ even during the hisec phases of converting your PvE to isk.
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1206
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Posted - 2012.06.11 04:09:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:I canGÇÖt see why the fuss about GÇÿblue lootGÇÖ. They are simply the sleeper analogue of the other ratsGÇÖ bounties. Rather than CONCORD, or whoever, paying you a bounty when you kill a pirat you get the grab those blue things from the wrecks and later various NPCs in empire space will buy them from you for a fixed amount. Just like other rats you also get to salvage the wrecks and, unlike most other rats, you can get some pretty nice salvage items GǪ subject to the incessant GÇÿCCP nerfed melted dropsGÇÖ moans.
Making your isk from Sleeper-PvE is a whole different game to hisec missions or incursions, or even lowsec / nullsec plexes. Not only are you GÇÿrattingGÇÖ in a very hostile environment (no-sec and no-local) but you do not realise a single milli-isk in income until you also haul your takings to empire space and to a system where you can sell it on the market. My biggest single loss in eve was around 5 billion GǪ hauling a few weeks of sleeper takings thru hisec to market. IGÇÖd got it safely out of w-space, thru an adjoining C2, but stupidly ran the 4-jump hisec route in my hauler rather than 20+ jumping a fenrir / orca / prowler over to pick it up. It was an expensive lesson, and a major delay for the get-subs-a-jump-freighter program.
Obviously the nerf-everything brigade are gonna want to nerf w-space too GǪ but IMO being a bear in w-space is a whole different thing to PvE anywhere else in eve. You can certainly earn a lot of isk, but not without surmounting some pretty major risks GǪ even during the hisec phases of converting your PvE to isk.
Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
742
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Posted - 2012.06.11 04:14:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs.
LOL, Ahhh, ok, serves me right for not reading everything. I'll leave that polytickling to others. Thanks. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
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Qui Shon
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.06.11 06:26:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs.
Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's. |
chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
19
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Posted - 2012.06.11 07:02:00 -
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Oh dear, some highsec carebear is crying in the wormhole forum again..
Carebear cleanup on isle 5! |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1207
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Posted - 2012.06.11 07:46:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs. Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's. Posting to confirm I both live in wormholes and am "bound to my flock". What can I say, I just love blobbing so much.
So basically your complaint is that you are more space poor than the people around you, and they won't let you make loads of money like them because they keep engaging you in ~surprise PvP~.
Welcome to Eve Online.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
45
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Posted - 2012.06.11 12:25:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs. Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's.
"flies around with as much bling as I always did, or even more"
So what you're saying is that now a few more people have toys as nice (or nicer than) yours it's time to throw a tantrum
Hahahahahahaha |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
17
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Posted - 2012.06.11 12:27:00 -
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Less QueueQueue moar PewPew please!
One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
corbexx
Aperture Harmonics K162
17
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Posted - 2012.06.11 16:03:00 -
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Well if darth doesnt quit i am sure i can find a nice c6 for him and his incurions mates to move in and farm in to get the easy isk he is after. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
80
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Posted - 2012.06.11 17:00:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs. Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's. so because of
1. I can no longer pwn ppl with my army of alts because they have more ppl than the number of alts I have 2. ppl earn as much isk as I used to.
conclusion, nerf wh |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1207
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Posted - 2012.06.11 18:02:00 -
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corbexx wrote:Well if darth doesnt quit i am sure i can find a nice c6 for him and his incurions mates to move in and farm in to get the easy isk he is after. Oh god I would love to see a bunch of incursion runners in a wormhole.
Is it possible to get low sec statics in C6s? Because I'd hate to think that Darth is going to be running around in a WH and I'm never going to get the chance to pop in and kill the crap out him say hi.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
69
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Posted - 2012.06.11 21:59:00 -
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Qui Shon wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs. Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's.
Is there something stopping you from joining another wh corp, so you can partake in the fun? As it stands now, there are lots of good fights in wh space. It's not just AHARM and CCRES anymore. It's super competitive, so people make more isk to fly nicer ships to inflict more damage on someone else. Sounds good to me! Alliance Diplomat, Recruiter |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
308
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Posted - 2012.06.12 06:02:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Qui Shon wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Tbf there is no fuss about blue loot, its 20 something pages of people who think whs are fine. Versus Darth, and some random guy who's gone all bitter vet coz his corp got kicked out of whs. Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's. "flies around with as much bling as I always did, or even more" So what you're saying is that now a few more people have toys as nice (or nicer than) yours it's time to throw a tantrum Hahahahahahaha
Pretty much this. Qui Shon, it really is a shame to see you become THE wh bittervet... You need to either move on or stop commenting on things you really have no idea about anymore.
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