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Patrick Estemaire
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:10:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:
Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm
Nerf me? Nerf you!
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
114
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:14:00 -
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Patrick Estemaire wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm
Nerf me? Nerf you!
Nerfing me, nerfing you (ah-haa) There is nothing we can do! Nerfing me, nerfing you (ah-haa) We just have to face it, this time we're through
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
153
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Posted - 2012.04.16 23:09:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts,
Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm So you want WH space to be nerfed, because no one is complaining about it being imbalanced? :/ I don't really see the logic in that.
Actually I want to see the ISK faucet there ( blue loot ) to be equally cut 10% just as all other bounties & payouts which CCP Soundwave says needs to be done. Fewer peeps participate in W-space then incursions yet they are an eqaully sized ISK faucet plus on top of the NPC buy orders they are making larger bank in nano ribbons. Theres more logic to wrap your mind around. Beyond that is Escalation & Inferno just about balancing? I see maybe 2 additions ( a de/buf status bar & Char customization ) that are not nerfs. When was the last time W-Space was shaken up anyways? Isn't Inferno supposed to be a WAR expansion? What war mechanics are affecting the J-space? To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
338
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:20:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: What war mechanics are affecting the J-space? The fact that every day is a state of war, no telling who you connect to and no way to totally "lock out" a dedicated attacker?
If you had a clue you would be dangerous and kittens would be cougars.
They aren't and you don't.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
470
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:30:00 -
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Quote:They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts, so it's pointless rage poasting about it. But in all honesty even if they don't bother wormhole space is probably the only space in Eve at the moment that deserves to keep it's current payouts.
ESPECIALLY wspace bounties.
If they nerf those I am rage quitting so ******* hard... We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
176
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Posted - 2012.04.17 00:47:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Abraxas666 wrote:Mission reward and bounties are an isk faucet too, should they be nerfed as well? CCP Soundwave in his Ten Ton Hammer interview announced that we should expect to see a 10% nerf to ALL bounties due to inflation concerns. He said Incursion payouts would be the first to get nerfed w/o stateing how much they'd get cut & BAM the magic 10% number. CCP Soundwave ommitted that NPC buy orders would get a 10% nerf too but maybe that is because he already considers them a de facto bounty?
can I get a link to that?
DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts,
Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm
YEAH youd think they were making WH space look better than regular space and give incentives to go there Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
153
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:00:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Abraxas666 wrote:Mission reward and bounties are an isk faucet too, should they be nerfed as well? CCP Soundwave in his Ten Ton Hammer interview announced that we should expect to see a 10% nerf to ALL bounties due to inflation concerns. He said Incursion payouts would be the first to get nerfed w/o stateing how much they'd get cut & BAM the magic 10% number. CCP Soundwave ommitted that NPC buy orders would get a 10% nerf too but maybe that is because he already considers them a de facto bounty? can I get a link to that?
http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve-online/interviews/inferno-part-one
To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:19:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Abraxas666 wrote:Mission reward and bounties are an isk faucet too, should they be nerfed as well? CCP Soundwave in his Ten Ton Hammer interview announced that we should expect to see a 10% nerf to ALL bounties due to inflation concerns. He said Incursion payouts would be the first to get nerfed w/o stateing how much they'd get cut & BAM the magic 10% number. CCP Soundwave ommitted that NPC buy orders would get a 10% nerf too but maybe that is because he already considers them a de facto bounty? can I get a link to that? http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve-online/interviews/inferno-part-one
sweet ill go read it thx
er what time frame -. I hate watching vids rather than reading articles Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Trading Unknown
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:58:00 -
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Quote:YEAH youd think they were making WH space look better than regular space and give incentives to go there
What, wormholes giving more isk than players know what to spend on isn't reason enough? |
Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
209
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:23:00 -
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The thing I enjoy about wspace is that literally anything can happen. Group of ships jump in, hank, and on their way out get ganked by a totally different fleet. Found a pos? if its badly defended, you can just remove it from space. Feel the need for a good challenge? Solo run a site toy technically shouldn't be able to, grab the salvager, and loot everything.
It's fun because we made it that way. And I wouldn't play any other way. |
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
249
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Posted - 2012.04.17 04:37:00 -
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I'd be quite happy to see High Sec Incursions keep it's ridiculously high payouts if the systems it occurs in loses CONCORD and Local Chat like Worm Hole space. ..oh and make the payouts like Wormholes as well so you have to transport most of it, can even make it 'blue' so DaftNefarious no longer envies WHers. |
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ISD LoneLynx
Community Communications Liaisons
1
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Posted - 2012.04.17 10:20:00 -
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Thread had been slightly cleaned from excessive rudeness. ISD LoneLynx Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
484
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Posted - 2012.04.17 10:25:00 -
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LoneLynx, could you be so kind and clean the OP from the user registry?
EVE players would appreciate that.
Thanks!
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
464
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Posted - 2012.04.17 10:34:00 -
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Wormholes are an enigma. They're special. Hell, the WH dwellers already have sort of a hard life as it is, leave 'em alone.
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
456
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Posted - 2012.04.17 10:50:00 -
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with WH space. The potential to die is like anywhere else in EVE that is dangerous Whether that be from volatile NPC's or volatile players.
@Op - You're looking for things to do in order to resolve your own frustrations. There's always motive behind forum posts like yours and those motives are never well thought-out or constructive in any way.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
MisterAl tt1
Pretenders Inc W-Space
6
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:34:00 -
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I smell terrific hurting butt here.
And I wonder, did the original poster ever noticed that prices for the "blue loot" never changed, while PLEX prise at least doubled in the period of that loot existance? Farming just for "blue loot" is already not very worth the time for big corporations. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
615
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:41:00 -
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Cleansing the thread won't cleanse the butthurt from their soul. Now just remove them from empire completely. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
19
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:19:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote: They haven't said anything about whether or not they are nerfing the w-space bounty payouts,
Exactly they have not said anything. Every other space has had an announcement of changes & it seems they're being adversly affected and being ignored by CCP is what all should strive for if they like playing the game in thier respective niches. Sounds like to me since the peeps living in W-space are not complaining about anything maybe that means they should get a shake up in the ant farm So you want WH space to be nerfed, because no one is complaining about it being imbalanced? :/ I don't really see the logic in that. Actually I want to see the ISK faucet there ( blue loot ) to be equally cut 10% just as all other bounties & payouts which CCP Soundwave says needs to be done. Fewer peeps participate in W-space then incursions yet they are an eqaully sized ISK faucet plus on top of the NPC buy orders they are making larger bank in nano ribbons. Theres more logic to wrap your mind around. Beyond that is Escalation & Inferno just about balancing? I see maybe 2 additions ( a de/buf status bar & Char customization ) that are not nerfs. When was the last time W-Space was shaken up anyways? Isn't Inferno supposed to be a WAR expansion? What war mechanics are affecting the J-space?
I would agree with you IF wormholes were as risk-free as incursions.
Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it." |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
155
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Posted - 2012.04.17 23:27:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote: Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
CCP has been violating the don't break what's fixed rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) makes me laugh To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
627
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Posted - 2012.04.17 23:42:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote: Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS Risk reward balance.
Now HTFU and stop bumping this terrible excuse for a thread.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
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Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
19
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:50:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote: Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS
You keep saying scot free, like they didn't do anything for it. In order to get this isk faucet going, you need to do multiple cap escalations. This means it's not done by some daytripper scanning himself a wormhole from high sec. This is done by DEDICATED wormhole corps, who risk losing their entire fleet everytime they warp into an anomoly. I have been on both ends of this, both ganking and being ganked. IIRC, this isn't much of an issue in most incursions.
The only problem I see with it being the same exact amount is that you get too much isk doing incursions with very little risk. They should cut the amount of isk you make from incursions. Then it will be balanced.
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
334
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:05:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote: Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS
Do you seriously consider high sec incursions to be as risky as wormholes? Have you ever been into whiskey space?
I'm viewing this as you simply throwing a massive hissey fit since the news that there will be changes to incursions and it's pretty sad.
WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
7
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:18:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote: Also, wh space hasn't been shaken up because it's pretty damn close to perfect as it is. As the old saying goes "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."
CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS or CCP should remove 10% more from incursion for its risk-free environment to compensate for the risk in wh |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
20
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:32:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote: or CCP should remove 10% more from incursion for its risk-free environment to compensate for the risk in wh
Exactly. He is comparing wh anoms with incursions like they are on equal ground.
Incursions are like playing tug o' war with a 3 year old.
Escalated wormhole anoms are like stuffing your divesuit full of chopped up fish and jumping into a sea full of sharks, at night. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
156
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:41:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote: You keep saying scot free, like they didn't do anything for it.
Nope I mean neither Escalation nor Inferno did 1 thing to affect WH space HI/LO/NULL all are getting major facelifts. Not 1 thing to shake up J-Space... the rest of the sandbox is getting a shake up & CCP is ignoring wormholers To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
294
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:42:00 -
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worm holes no need nerf swiss cheese is da bomb PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
Olivia Hume
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:50:00 -
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The isk/h of cap escalation is not that high. I don't have precise numbers, but they might generate 600 mil each, you can usually run 2 per hours and needs 7 accounts (2 carriers, 2 dreads, 2 webbers and a scout - but you usually have more people running them). that's 140mi/h per account with perfect number of players when you can run some..
But cap escalation are limited ressources. You can only escalate anoms in your home system and you usually have between 0 to 5 anoms to run everyday. You can spend days or weeks without anoms to run. Compare that to incursions, farmed 24/7. Cap escalation are not a reliable source of income for a good size corp.
You can reroll your static to find anoms to run in other system, but it's quite difficult to beat the ish/h of high security incursion that way.
Also, escalation are run with carriers and dreads which are difficult to bring or to build in w-space and which you need to commit for 5 minutes cycles. Even if you notice a fleet getting ready to jump on you, you will first need to drop siege and triage and kill the battleship sleepers that scram and neut your fleet. |
Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
7
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Posted - 2012.04.18 02:57:00 -
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Incursions are like shooting sleeping fish in a barrel with a 50 caliber machine gun. Wormhole Sleeper sites are like... not that easy.
There, I have now shamefully indulged DarthNefarius in his abhorrent weepfest. |
Patrick Estemaire
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:16:00 -
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DarthNefarius has already gone three days of posting the same argument over and over again. No amount of sensibility and facts are going to convince him. |
Olivia Hume
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
2
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:16:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Yet it would be better for everyone inflation wise if both Incursions and Wormhole dropped more raw materials/modules instead of printing ISK.
Incursion doesn't drop any material or module and doesn't bring anything to the industry/market part of EVE. That's the only PVE activity in EVE that doesn't. |
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