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Neesa Corrinne
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.01.06 00:41:00 -
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Current Situation
The Cyclone is an active shield boosting ship with three utility slots in the highs. This was a perfect combination prior to the NOS nerf. You burned a lot of Capacitor fueling the shield booster, but you were able to recover that loss by NOS'ing your opponents cap.
Neutralizers are not a valid replacement on the cyclone like they are on many other ships, because the Cyclone has the smallest base capacitor of all the tier one battle cruisers to begin with.
It needs every fraction of that capacitor to power the shield boosters, so fitting three neutralizers is not an option unless you gimp your tank even further by fitting two cap injectors.
Switching the extra utility slots from NOS to missile launchers is also not an option. The Cyclone was a close fit with three medium NOS that only take 20 CPU each, and simply impossible to fit with three Heavy Missile Launchers which take 55 CPU each.
When CCP raised the CPU of Invulnerability fields to 44 each, this ship became a nightmare to squeeze anything on it. If you want a halfway decent tank you can only maybe manage 180 AC's and light missiles or maybe assault missile launchers. Of course you might as well be flying a rupture at that point, at least the signature radius will be a lot lower.
What I propose
1) Remove a High Slot (Utility) 2) Give it an extra Mid Slot 3) Increase the base CPU from 425 to 500 ---------------------------------
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.01.06 01:22:00 -
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...Or you could try some other ship :) I had cyclone once, didn't like it, but I really don't see how it's so much worse than most of other ships in a way.
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Neesa Corrinne
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.01.06 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn ...Or you could try some other ship :) I had cyclone once, didn't like it, but I really don't see how it's so much worse than most of other ships in a way.
The EVE community is funny. If I trained for FOTM ships everyone would ***** at me for flying FOTM, but if I stick to the race I love (which I do) then they tell me to fly FOTM.
Can't win for losing. ---------------------------------
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aldarrin
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Posted - 2009.01.06 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn ...Or you could try some other ship :) I had cyclone once, didn't like it, but I really don't see how it's so much worse than most of other ships in a way.
Since they added another turret slot to the ferox the cyclone is the worst BC. It gets crap dps, hard to fit, and the active tank won't stand up to another BCs punishment (well maybe the passive drake, but about anything can tank those). -- Flame on. |
Seiji Hannah
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.01.06 11:00:00 -
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Those utility slots are suppoused to be used for gangmods, however fitting med NOSs should still be viable for sustaining cap coupled with a med capbooster, or assault missiles to shoot drones / frigs perhaps.
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Haakelen
Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.06 11:14:00 -
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The cyclone needs some attention. At the very least more CPU tbh.
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Neesa Corrinne
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.01.06 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Neesa Corrinne on 06/01/2009 17:16:54 Posting to Support.
I realize that this game has moved on from using normal ships and is now fully in the throes of being Capital Ships Online, but a few thumbs ups could bring about some necessary changes for the 2% of us that still prefer to fly non-caps. ---------------------------------
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Grann Thefauto
Divine Insanity
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Posted - 2009.01.06 18:59:00 -
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I'd like a little more love for all the tier one BCs personally. They pretty much only work as noob cruiser killers these days.
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Darwin's Market
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Posted - 2009.01.07 03:26:00 -
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signed
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GoodNDead
Caldari Flaming Fist Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.01.07 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: GoodNDead on 07/01/2009 03:36:05 no ship is perfect.. train for hac?
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Sumara Oooh
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Posted - 2009.01.07 08:55:00 -
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lol so many times i posted here i even asked for devs to throw us a bone i love cyclone beyond healthy amounts, i put faction mods on it to shoehorn **** on it, i'm even in the process of acquiring some LG crystals just to make it viable... i love it, and i't ****. **** **** ****. but you have my vote on this. i'd just add one more thing: make it a bit more agile, it's smaller and lighter than 'cane, it should be atleast more agile (if not faster).
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Neesa Corrinne
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.01.12 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Grann Thefauto I'd like a little more love for all the tier one BCs personally. They pretty much only work as noob cruiser killers these days.
Exactly, that's pretty much the only role they play. Noob cruisers only really, because I can probably take out a non faction Cyclone with my Rupture setup tbqh.
The only Tier 1 BC worth flying is the Brutix, cause that thing is just a beast. ---------------------------------
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Matting
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2009.01.14 05:40:00 -
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I support a change to the Cyclone.
The main issue being all Tier 1 BC's are worse than their Tier 2 counterparts when generally the Tiers are supposed to be "different" not better but I won't go there for this topic.
Removing a high slot (no change to hard points) in exchange for a mid slot would work well for the design of this ship as it mostly benefits the tank bonus while still limiting the damage potential.
Extra CPU would be nice but I feel only a small increase as mid slots generally use more CPU than highs on a BC. I also wouldn't complain with a small boost ~200 to base capacitor.
Most shield tanking ships do function better as a support ship bringing a decent tank/gank ratio while not having as much tackle, at the moment that tank/gank ratio is too low to use it over other ships and that extra mid slot helps bring the tank up to reasonable levels. As a gang ship it falls behind the Hurricane substantially for dps and some what for tank.
At the moment this ship is really only competitive to standard T2 fit BCÆs when using faction gear, that extra money is better spent on a Tier 2 BC while giving better insurance pay back and not too much good loot to your enemy (I know a lot of people care about this).
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Mannliche Frau
Wrongful Appropriation
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Posted - 2009.01.14 09:04:00 -
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All tier one cruisers need looking at.
Problem 1: Bad tank. Battlecruisers (and destroyers for that matter) suffer from having near BS size and speed but only have the ability to equip/power cruiser sized tanking modules. This makes it so only the passive tanked BCs (drake) have good tanks. The tanking bonuses need to either be larger or the ships need to be purely offensive.
Problem 2: Tier 2 superiority. For most races, the tier 2 BC is in every way better than the tier 1 BC while being minimally more expensive and skill intensive.
What I'd like to see: Prophesy and cyclone redesigned from the ground up. Possibly a Khanid style setup for prophesy and a speed and/or typhoon style cyclone. Overall increases to hardpoints/slots/drone bays/capacitor/hit points/PG/cpu on all tier 1 BCs |
Orb Lati
ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.14 22:28:00 -
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The Cyclon does need to be looked at, currently its only use is as a component to make a Claymore and a Slipner.
"We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible" |
Shemmy
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.15 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Orb Lati The Cyclon does need to be looked at, currently its only use is as a component to make a Claymore and a Slipner.
lol. Yes, I support this. -1 utility, +1 med, small buff to cap and cpu. even with all of this the cyclone ain't going to beat a brutix, but it will be more able to hold its own.
Originally by: Mannliche Frau ... prophecy ...
Perhaps for another thread, but yes, the ferox got its buff some time ago, and the brutix is still a viable choice, but both the prophecy and cyclone suck, tbh. |
Mannliche Frau
Wrongful Appropriation
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Posted - 2009.01.16 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shemmy
Perhaps for another thread, but yes, the ferox got its buff some time ago, and the brutix is still a viable choice, but both the prophecy and cyclone suck, tbh.
Should it be put into another thread? Yeah, the ferox got buffed, but it still sucks. The brutix has its uses but is still fairly terrible compared to the tier 2 BCs. The proper fix for the cyclone would be to fix tier 1 BCs rather than just the individual ships one at a time.
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Neesa Corrinne
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.01.17 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mannliche Frau Should it be put into another thread? Yeah, the ferox got buffed, but it still sucks. The brutix has its uses but is still fairly terrible compared to the tier 2 BCs. The proper fix for the cyclone would be to fix tier 1 BCs rather than just the individual ships one at a time.
I hate to derail my own thread but to be honest the Ferox isn't that bad for a Tier 1 battle cruiser. The only reason that people don't like it is because it's a rail boat instead of a missile boat.
Back on topic: It's not possible for the Devs to consider every possible angle in the game that a single nerf might effect and even more impossible for them to forsee how a series of nerfs will cripple a ship until someone raises their hand and points it out.
The Cyclone is the result of a series of unrelated nerfs that have all culminated in the ship being nearly un*****ble, and what is possible to squeeze on it isn't worth taking into combat. |
Johnny mayday
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Posted - 2009.03.05 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Johnny mayday on 05/03/2009 09:58:03 I like this suggestion. Atm i don't really see any reason to use a cyclone since the hurricane does just about anything better (except active shield boost ).
I was thinking of a change of shieldboostamount from 7.5 to 10% and more CPU before i saw this thread but i think your idea is better.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.03.05 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 05/03/2009 11:03:34 I really like the looks of the Cyclone, even more than the Cane <ducks from incoming vegetables> and I wish it was actually any good so I'd fly it and be pimp. I'm not sure on the shielboost bonus tbh, I'd rather have it get resists or shield amount and change it so it can passive tank decently for missions, while at the same tim giving passive defense for pvp. Giving you more fitting options.
And yes, it really does need more cpu and the high slot>midslot would also make sense. So I can't support the changes you propose but I DO support the call for looking into it.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.03.05 11:35:00 -
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Are you kidding?
Cyclone with an XL booster is insane.
You want even better a tank?
How about unfit that oversized xl booster and go with a large. Then you can fit. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
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