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namron 7
1-800-FUBAR
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:34:00 -
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My apologies if this is not the correct channel for this thread.
I want to train just one of the races and use their ships for pvp and pve. naturally all of the races have their strenghts and weakneses when it comes to pvp and all of them have there stand out ships.
1. Amarr long range destruction 2. Gallente short range destruction 3. Minmatar speed tanking short ranged destruction and escape artists 4. Caldari-Drake.......... and Falcon
But within this must also be a way to pve as well for isk. All races can pve but some are better than others caldari/amarr appear to be the best based on their ability to destroy at range. the other two races can do it but its best for them once they get into more specialised ships.
Last and most important point.
Amarr can use faction ammo which lasts for ages and is very cost effective (this are dependant on ammo type but only Angels give them trouble). No other race can do this, they fire their faction/tech 2 ammo and its gone which means that pve with upgraded ammo becomes very costly for non amarr races.
Question-which race in your opinion is best for both pvp and pve if you can only pick one
Question- Which race in your opinion is best for pvp and pve relatively quickly without having to spent a year or two training (i think that the answer there is probably Drake.
MY thanks for your answers Thanks for the help |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:37:00 -
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Obligatory 'Minmatar is OP,NERFZORS!!!! 'Post
e:drakes are easy to get into and good in numbers. But a bunch of Canes are fricking murder! |
namron 7
1-800-FUBAR
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:39:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Obligatory 'Minmatar is OP,NERFZORS!!!! 'Post
lols.
Great for pvp but not so great for pve Thanks for the help |
Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:43:00 -
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I say go Amarr, Drakes are quick and easy to get into but Amarr's worth the time investment as it pays off in dividends for PvE and PvP in a (relatively) short space of time. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:44:00 -
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Well,for pve you'd not go wrong with caldari. Selectable dmg types. Shields. Decently bonused hulls. But m a minny fanboy and would prefer my AC Mael even though it's not top end isk/hr. |
ElQuirko
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:44:00 -
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PVP: Gallente
PVE: Caldari
Solution: Guristas
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
namron 7
1-800-FUBAR
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:52:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:PVP: Gallente
PVE: Caldari
Solution: Guristas
Thanks for the info but im looking for one race and those two races need, shields and armour trained. two seperate races, two different weapon systems with completely seperate back up skills Thanks for the help |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:56:00 -
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If I was a newer player, and only willing to train one race, it would be Amarr. They don't require alot of sp before you can be decent at PvE or PvP. And they are simple to use.
But there really is no reason to box yourself in. Once you've trained the support skills you aren't that far away from another race. You just need the ship and weapon skill. |
Krenalla
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:56:00 -
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Goblin Warlock
Edit: Sorry wrong forum |
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:57:00 -
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Train Minmatar. The vargur is a great pve ship, everything else is a great pvp ship. You've the choice of brawling with autos or sniping with artys, you've speed, a good tank and a sh+¡tton of duck tape. |
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namron 7
1-800-FUBAR
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:06:00 -
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Luba Cibre wrote:Train Minmatar. The vargur is a great pve ship, everything else is a great pvp ship. You've the choice of brawling with autos or sniping with artys, you've speed, a good tank and a sh+¡tton of duck tape.
i agree with you totally on this but the vargur is not a ship that you can get into straight away. Its a long way down the line Thanks for the help |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:12:00 -
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If you are new and have no SP or notions of right and wrong, Amarr ships, Minmatar weapons.
Capless projectiles on a Prophecy is as close to fast track PvE and PvP as it gets in EVE. Just keep in mind, nothing is really "fast track" in EVE. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:23:00 -
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Skydell wrote:If you are new and have no SP or notions of right and wrong, Amarr ships, Minmatar weapons.
Capless projectiles on a Prophecy is as close to fast track PvE and PvP as it gets in EVE. Just keep in mind, nothing is really "fast track" in EVE.
Ship bonuses. The reason that virtually all minmatar ships get damage bonuses is to counteract the fact that projectiles do absolute **** damage by default.
Quote:1. Amarr long range destruction 2. Gallente short range destruction 3. Minmatar speed tanking short ranged destruction and escape artists 4. Caldari-Drake.......... and Falcon
It's more complicated than that. All races have good PVP and PVE ships, as well.
a) Amarr ships generally have very little utility. However, pulse lasers project great damage at the highest optimal of any close range weapon system in the game...And their ships tend to be very tanky. Beam lasers have poor range compared to railguns, but do the highest damage of any long range weapon system making them pretty awesome at mid-range sniping.
b) Gallente have two lines of ships. The blasterboats do exactly as you describe - burn in and melt their face off with absurd damage. They also have droneboats which are supremely versatile though without the pure gank that the blasterboats give.
c) Minmatar do tend to be faster with smaller sig radii (e.g. harder to hit). They have a rather versatile primary weapon system, too - projectiles use no cap (meaning they can never be shut off by neuts) and have good tracking. Additionally, while they have very low optimal, they have very high falloff, allowing them to have a very large breadth of ranges that they can effectively engage at.
d) Caldari have two ship lines - hybrid boats and missileboats. Missiles use no cap like projectiles, and most importantly do not care about angular velocity. A missile ship that hits at 100km will have no more trouble hitting something point blank, and missiles tend to have fantastic range in general. They're very simple to use, as well. The hybridboats tend to get gigantic range bonuses, making them great either for sniping (with railguns, the longest range weapon system by default) or blasters (the optimal bonus negates the major downside of blasters, which is poor range). |
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ISD Grossvogel
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:38:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.04.16 05:42:00 -
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namron 7 wrote:My apologies if this is not the correct channel for this thread.
I want to train just one of the races and use their ships for pvp and pve.
Very bad idea. Why would you shoot yourself in the foot like that?
There is no single best race or best ship. Definitely not if you want it to do several completely different things, such as both PvE and PvP. You should open up as many possibilities as you can, if for nothing else then to figure out which path you like most. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2012.04.16 06:01:00 -
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The notion that Minmatar ships are no good at PVE is very wrong, unless you want to live in Amarr space they can all shield tank just fine and have the damage type selection, ease of use and dps to do it quite well.
Thrasher devours lvl 1s shield regen tanked rupture is great for lvl 2s shield regen tanked Cane does lvl 3 just fine Mael, Mach and Vargur do fantastic in lvl 4
As it stands right now the "Amarr and Minmatar are all you'll ever need" still applies, there's going to be a reshuffle fairly soon though and it's to be expected to be a complete turn around so for now I'd urge you to skill up core skills till the rebalance storm passed. |
Otrebla Utrigas
Space Bastards
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Posted - 2012.04.16 07:32:00 -
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Choose the race you like more, learn the pros and cons of their ship range. Select ships for PvE and PvP accordingly.
Also, don't get fooled by the bandwagon. A drake can be a powerful PvP ship, and a Cane can be an impressive PvE ship. You just need to fit them accordingly, and now how to use them.
Although it is true than that applies when you have enough skills to fit them properly.
Finally if you don't choose missiles and focus on turrets, you can easily cross train ships, but I recommend to first focus on one tank and one weapon system and after that, crosstrain for fun. |
Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
14
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Posted - 2012.04.16 16:24:00 -
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Long answer is "eventually, if you do even a little combat, you'll have all 4 races' frigates to V and probably at least two races' cruisers/BS/BCs to V as well".
The short answer is that the race with the shortest learning curve (in terms of actual training time) is Gallente, you can effectively use their entire ship lineup up to BS size in much less time than any other race and there are a couple ships that are viable for PvP and PvE in each size category.
Do you want to stick with Gallente forever? Maybe, maybe not, but it'll let you learn the basics of each size category faster and then you can train into the other races more fully. |
Jouron
Hadon Shipping
35
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Posted - 2012.04.16 16:42:00 -
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Gallente for pvp and pve.
the gallente have some seriously underestimated and under used PVE boats.
My dominix cranks out 757 dps in missions has never run out of cap and fits an afterburner too boot.
The ishtar Rocks ballz in PVP and PVE fitted properly.
Tripple rep myrmidon in pvp? get out.
Train up some mini frig skills and your in a dram.
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Lost Greybeard
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
14
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Posted - 2012.04.16 17:17:00 -
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Jouron wrote: Train up some mini frig skills and your in a dram.
I read this in the voice of the Old Spice guy.
"No, your frig is not like mine, but it can smell like mine... you're in a dram."
(doo doo doo doo doo dee doo doo) |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2012.04.17 08:02:00 -
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Gallente for sure, if you want to stick to just one race. I stuck with Gallente and love it <3
We have a top of the line ship for every imaginable purpose except current sov 0.0 BC/BS blob doctrines, and even those will be backed by Gal supers and recons. However, that is also about to change with the upcoming Micro Jump Drive module. Soloing C3+ wormhole sites is the sole territory of the Tengu, so if you don't have friends and want to do that with one ship there are no other as efficient solutions.
We even have a viable kiting ship now in the form of Talos.
Downside is that getting the best out of Gallente ships does need quite a bit of SP- you really need T2 Heavy and Sentry drones, along with T2 Large Hybrids plus all the usual support skills. Also perfect fitting skills and implants.
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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.04.17 08:39:00 -
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Why would you pick one race?
Support skills cover all races. Generic gunnery skills cover amar, gal, minmatar. Basic drone skills cover most races.
Getting into a BC takes no time. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Side Effect.
160
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Posted - 2012.04.17 09:37:00 -
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Only 1 race matter.
Go and work for CCP and fly Jovian.
Real answer, if I would start again, I would again stick with Caldari (Missile line) ships as they are very good at PvE (Drake, Tengu, Navy Raven) and also can stand their ground in PvP (Drake, Kestrel, Manticore). Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Brodit
Dark Harlequin
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:36:00 -
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If you are looking for fast results, Minmatar. They are quite robust but get you into and out of trouble fast. If you are going to spend some time on support skills also, then Gallente the domi is the unsung warturd of pve. If for whatever reason you like missile, (and some people do) then train Caldari.
It's all about style, find your style the rest will follow.
Me I like them all, but I've been stalking New Eden forever. |
AstarothPrime
Eternal Profiteers Persona Non Gratis
8
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:51:00 -
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Depends on what you consider pve... and what u consider pvp...
I would definitely look into amarr if i were you. Probably best balanced race. And Em/thermal is good damage type...
I.
Edit:
You mite want to train race called "tengu" as well and be like any other fotm kid on the block, because u know what they saaay -> "there is TENGU for everything" |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.17 23:38:00 -
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Gallente I'd say is a great pve and pvp choice. PvE you have solid options with drones, with the Vexor, Myrm and Domi but the hybrid boats do make for some good pve (Thorax, Brutix and Mega) if your training is leaning towards hitting pvp faster.
As for PvP itself, the Tristan and Incursus are solid choices, the Cat ain't bad. The Thorax is damn fun, while with the Dual Rep Brutix or even the Triple Rep Myrm, you have options on the larger boats to. T2 the Enyo is pure fun on a stick.
So consider Gallente.
For every player ship that blows up, the wheels of the economy turn slightly faster. -áDo your bit today. -áGo out and PEW.
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Nate Nichols
GWA Corp
4
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:00:00 -
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Drew Solaert wrote:Gallente I'd say is a great pve and pvp choice. PvE you have solid options with drones, with the Vexor, Myrm and Domi but the hybrid boats do make for some good pve (Thorax, Brutix and Mega) if your training is leaning towards hitting pvp faster.
As for PvP itself, the Tristan and Incursus are solid choices, the Cat ain't bad. The Thorax is damn fun, while with the Dual Rep Brutix or even the Triple Rep Myrm, you have options on the larger boats to. T2 the Enyo is pure fun on a stick.
So consider Gallente.
Whats a decent and cheap setup for a pvp Incursus? I've been thinking of taking one out and trying pvp for the first time. I know I'll die a bunch, but I Just want to get out there!
I don't have millions of isk to spend yet on ships I know I'm going to lose. |
Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:02:00 -
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Nate Nichols wrote:Whats a decent and cheap setup for a pvp Incursus? I've been thinking of taking one out and trying pvp for the first time. I know I'll die a bunch, but I Just want to get out there!
I don't have millions of isk to spend yet on ships I know I'm going to lose.
Have a look here, this only works against other frigates but if you do it right you'll **** them, it NEEDS T2 guns and Null ammo. All you need to do is set your "keep at range" button to 5000m and hit it as you engage another frigate. You're low on tank but at 5km normal frigs (not counting missile ships obviously) frigs do crap dps and by the time they realise they need to switch ammo (if they even brought it) the outcome is already a done deal.
[Incursus, PVP] Damage Control II Overdrive Injector System II
1MN Afterburner II J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S Light Neutron Blaster II, Null S
[empty rig slot] Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hobgoblin II x1 Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Nate Nichols
GWA Corp
4
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Posted - 2012.04.19 18:48:00 -
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Those guns are 2 million a pop. Considering I myself am going to get destroyed constantly, thats 6 million isk per ship, looking at just guns alone. Is tech II the only way to go? |
Liam Mirren
452
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Posted - 2012.04.19 21:41:00 -
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2 mil each is way too expensive, shop around. Still, a fit is about strategy and this strategy is about kiting within scram range and thus it requires null ammo which means T2 guns. If you forego on T2 guns and ammo that means you can't do the kiting strategy which means you have to add more tank, the problem is that an incursus can't really fit a tank of note and suddenly stops being awesome unless you start adding rigs which up the price more. The incursus doesn't do "lets tank and duke it out", for that you might be better off with a Tristan but downside to that one is its split weapon system.
Honestly, I'd pony up a little and use that incursus fit because against normal frigs (and some faction ones as well) you'll win 4 out of 5 matches (not counting kestrels, merlins and T2 pulse fitted Punishers). Given that most ppl fly rifters you just KNOW you can pull the range game on them as you're faster, especially if they're MWD fit, so against most frigs it's a "sure win", or rather; against most pilots it is. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
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