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Syrias Bizniz
Dei Mudda GmbH
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Posted - 2012.04.15 18:39:00 -
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Okay, topic says it.
I'm looking for a good Drone Boat i can utilize to do L4 and possibly some exploration. I do fly a legion as of now, have Gallente Cruiser to 4 and Caldari Cruiser on the way to 4. I also have the HAC skill at 4.
So i can see right now 2 ships. One is the Gila, the other one is the Ishtar. I'd say my Shield-Skills are 'decent', my armor skills however are better. As i am able to fly a Amarr HAC, read: both, i also have some missile skills, however not incredible well. I do not have Tech II Hybrids. I can sit into a Gila right now, and within a couple of minutes i'd be able to scoop the first sentry drones into my drone bay. Gallente Cruiser to 5 however is nescessary, as i'd like to pimp my Drone DPS anyways and i'm also planning on being able to fly all recons. So, should i save my moneeez for an ishtar and wait the 17 days it takes me to sit into one, or should i put myself into a gila?
What are the advantages of one over the other? Example fittings for L4?
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Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:35:00 -
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Save yourself a fortune and use a Domi.
Lots of mission fits around for them. |
madsamo
HyberNation.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:43:00 -
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[Ishtar, Faction Passive Shield Ishtar] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Caldari Navy Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Caldari Navy Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Salvager I Empty
Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I
[Gila, Gila: PvE L4] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II Domination Thermic Dissipation Amplifier Domination EM Ward Amplifier Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher Drone Link Augmentor I Small Tractor Beam I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Hammerhead II Ogre II Hobgoblin II Garde II
Battleclinic both of them
Notice the massive tank on that Ishtar, you can run lvl 5 missions and just about any sanctum in it. |
Syrias Bizniz
Dei Mudda GmbH
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Posted - 2012.04.15 19:55:00 -
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The Dominix is a superb drone boat, of course, but i dont have gallentean battle ship skill yet, nor do i have large hybrids yet, and i'm also looking at exploration, both, high and possibly low sec, and i'm not quite sure wheter or not a dominix fits into a 3/10 or 4/10. But i'd say... nah, it doesn't.
I clearly see the resistance advantage of the Ishtar over the Gila. But i'd really like to hear from pilots, who, in optimal case, have expierience with both ships, which they favor and why. Cause tbh, even i can just hurl a massive tank onto those 2 hulls without knowing much about it. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.15 20:17:00 -
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Never flown an ishtar, but loved my Gila. The extra rig slot allows you to put a sentry rig and I had an omni in the mids.. will have to look for my fit though as I now use a tengu. I also never faction fit it or used T2 rigs and it worked just great.. A little slow for level 4's tbh, but great for exploration in HS and LS. Only difference I had between HS and LS explorations was a cloak for LS. |
FT Diomedes
Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:22:00 -
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I have flown both extensively. Both are tight on CPU. I used the Gila as a Heavy Drone + HML w/passive shield tank. Worked well for L4s. The Ishtar is a much better sentry boat. I'll dig up my fits for them in a few. |
Ildryn
The Inf1dels GIANTSBANE.
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Posted - 2012.04.15 22:41:00 -
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If you decide on the Ishtar. (much better ship) The gun is for pulling aggro so your drones don't have to.
[Ishtar, Passive Shield Ishtar] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Passive T2 resist Passive T2 resist
Medium Pulse Laser II Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I Salvager I Empty
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Drones should be sentries, mediums, and lights. |
Syrias Bizniz
Dei Mudda GmbH
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Posted - 2012.04.15 23:41:00 -
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Thanks for those fittings, it shall be the armor Ishtar :
Few questions, though: Theres a DCU II fitted. Is it for the case that you will bleed into hull, or why exactly is the DCU used instead of a EANM or even a Adaptive Nano Plating? Cause at least with the last one i can save a big chunk of cpu for only a few million isk and still have better resists than with a dcu II. Which brings me to the next point: Spare CPU used for a medium NOS II. Or aren't you ever going to have enemies within those 20 km range? |
Belshazzar Babylon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.16 01:16:00 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:The Dominix is a superb drone boat, of course, but i dont have gallentean battle ship skill yet, nor do i have large hybrids yet, and i'm also looking at exploration, both, high and possibly low sec, and i'm not quite sure wheter or not a dominix fits into a 3/10 or 4/10. But i'd say... nah, it doesn't.
If you have Gallente Cruiser 4, a Domi will only take 20 minutes or so to get into. If you're gunnery skills are alright you can always just use META guns until you can fit T2. As was noted before, a Domi is pretty cheap. A Dual LARII Mission specific hardners Domi is pretty much AFK. |
FT Diomedes
Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:06:00 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:Thanks for those fittings, it shall be the armor Ishtar :
Few questions, though: Theres a DCU II fitted. Is it for the case that you will bleed into hull, or why exactly is the DCU used instead of a EANM or even a Adaptive Nano Plating? Cause at least with the last one i can save a big chunk of cpu for only a few million isk and still have better resists than with a dcu II. Which brings me to the next point: Spare CPU used for a medium NOS II. Or aren't you ever going to have enemies within those 20 km range?
I fit a DCU II on almost everything - but especially on Gallente ships. I use that Ishtar in 0.0 anomalies now. There have been several times it has made the difference in having to warp out or not. Yes, it takes a big chunk of CPU, so you could certainly fit something else there.
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Ildryn
The Inf1dels GIANTSBANE.
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:22:00 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:Thanks for those fittings, it shall be the armor Ishtar :
Few questions, though: Theres a DCU II fitted. Is it for the case that you will bleed into hull, or why exactly is the DCU used instead of a EANM or even a Adaptive Nano Plating? Cause at least with the last one i can save a big chunk of cpu for only a few million isk and still have better resists than with a dcu II. Which brings me to the next point: Spare CPU used for a medium NOS II. Or aren't you ever going to have enemies within those 20 km range? I fit a DCU II on almost everything - but especially on Gallente ships. I use that Ishtar in 0.0 anomalies now. There have been several times it has made the difference in having to warp out or not. Yes, it takes a big chunk of CPU, so you could certainly fit something else there.
Or you could use my fit and not worry about warping out at all because the passive regen is almost that of a drake....but whatever. |
FT Diomedes
Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:36:00 -
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Yes, I am very familiar with the passive shield Ishtar. Mine does more drone damage at longer range. That means I spend less time sitting in an anomaly where someone could jump in on me at any time. Damage with just barely enough tank is what I am going for. I also like to be able to overheat my MAR II and not worry about dying instantly as my Garde IIs chew down enough DPS for my tank to recover. |
Dyniss
BloodLust Enterprises Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2012.04.16 02:51:00 -
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Ishtar IMO is trash only good for use against guristas and serpentis missions. Terrible CPU/PG worthless bonuses besides the drone dmg and hp and ship resist bonuses. You cannot fit neutrons or a neut without seriously hurting your tank if you armor tank it it's slow as hell only 375 drone bay (at level 5 heavy assault skill) IMHO its the Gila all the way way better CPU/PG 3 rig slots very good bonuses I can get 80% resists across the board almost 13k shields and a 200dps passive regen and still be able to fit 3 heavy missile launchers a medium neut mwd and a large shield extender. Also the Gila has 400 drone bay and costs actually less then a Ishtar. |
Dyniss
BloodLust Enterprises Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2012.04.16 03:13:00 -
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Gila fit I use
High slot 3x Heavy missile launcher II 1x Salvage 1x Medium unstable power fluctuator Med slot 1x Caldri Navy large shield extender 1x Caldari Navy EM ward field 1x 10nm Prototype micro warp drive 1x Small cap booster II (Navy cap booster 400 1x Adaptive invulnerability field II 1x Faint epsilon warp scrambler I Low slot 3x power diagnostic system II 1x Damage control II Rig slots 1x Thermal screen reinforcer 2 x Medium core field extender Drone bay 6x Ogre IS 5x Heavy shield maintenance bot II 10x Warrior II 5x Hamnerhead II 5x Hobgoblin II
The faction mods total cost comes out to about 80 mil not really bad IMO and it lets you fit the heavy launchers too. I also have a nice fit with Rapid light missile launchers too. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2012.04.16 05:07:00 -
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FT Diomedes seems to understand the ship and posted good fits. OP, listen to him.
And for the others, no, 11-slot tank is not a good fit.
Quote:You cannot fit neutrons or a neut without seriously hurting your tank if you armor tank it it's slow as hell
My Ishtar has neutrons, and is much faster (614 m/s vs 516 m/s) than Gila. Even in a PVP fit with two armor rigs and 800mm plate, Ishtar is faster than Gila.
[Ishtar, Motherfn Neutrons!]
Core Probe Launcher I /OFFLINE Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Prototype Cloaking Device I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Imperial Navy Cap Recharger 10MN Afterburner II Medium 'Gattotte' Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800
Shadow Serpentis Medium Armor Repairer Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener Dark Blood Armor Thermic Hardener Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Damage Control II
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Hobgoblin II x5 Garde II x1 Hornet EC-300 x5 Curator II x5 Garde II x5
Yes, PVE, and against Serp/Guri, but it's a superb ship for that purpose. |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.16 05:34:00 -
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Just for a future reference in case you get interested on training gal BS this is how far you can go with a PvE-Domi:
Not too shabby for a "low DPS drone boat", though tracking is nowhere near enough for incursions (well my mega neither even with gal bs V and 3x tracking comps with blasters, unless someone has webs on those sanshas first ... )
[Dominix, L4 domi] Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener Damage Control II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I [empty rig slot]
Ogre II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Garde II x5
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Tenga Halaris
Exit Strategies Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.04.16 08:48:00 -
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An Ishtar is nice for exploration, but not satisfying for level 4 missions. The real DPS with Drones are okay 'ish, but a well skilled drake will do the same for less. You will also need a truckload of SP in Drones.
The Ishtar can have an outstanding tank against all Kin/Therm NPC. Where do you fly?
BUT:
Watch out with the passive shield tank! If you lost cap from warping or NPC neuts, it will recharge extremely slow. I prefer using one PDU + four SPRs. It happened that I had to warp 170 AU and drained all the cap. It barely came up and I had to put some SPRs offline. Active Armor tank works well and I would recommend that for you, since your shieldskills aren't that good anyway.
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