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Embarcadero
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Posted - 2009.01.08 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Allen Ramses To hell with DX10 and DX11. Where's my OpenGL 3.0?
What you gonna do about OGL 3.0? Play Tetris 3D version 4081? ;P
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Indiano Arko
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.08 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: CyberGh0st Vista 64 is the future with native support for 4GB+ RAM, actually being able to use 4GB RAM and 1GB+ video RAM ...
Any 64bit OS has "native" support for 4GB+ RAM/video RAM.
It's because the memory manager is, wait for it... 64 BIT!
In fact 32 bit server OS's like Win2003(8) Server do support 4GB+ too because of 36 bit addressing.
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Antimony Noske
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Posted - 2009.01.08 08:16:00 -
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Anyone buying Vista right now is a fool.
Windows 7 [AKA Vista Service Pack 2] is coming out soon, and should be full of improvements over Vista. There's no point in buying Vista when you'll just be buying 7 in a year's time.
But the point of this topic isn't Vista or Windows, it's Direct X. I don't really have much to say on that matter either.
To put it bluntly: There isn't much that DX10 can do, that DX9 can't. So why upgrade for it?
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: stadshage
Originally by: Lothris Andastar DX10 eve will fail for many reasons: 1) Vista sucks 2) Vista Sucks 3) Not everyone has DX10 cards, nor will they ever because Vista Sucks 4) Vista Sucks 5) DX10 is rubbish 6) Vista SUCKS
yea vista sucks had it on my comp for 2 weeks but removed it and installed windows xp again think im gone try the windows 7 when it comes out but from what i hears its just a vista copy so no no dx 10 and may it never come
True since the 'kernal' from vista is being used, what that means to me is the core of 7 will be Vista. With some enhancement, mostly likely user friendly type of things. If in fact the whole 'core' of 7 doesn't change to much, I'll have a good laugh at all the nay sayers of Vista, considering it would be almost the same product with a different name. Then again I could be wrong and drastic changes deep within could be made.
Take that as you will. ...
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ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: AleRiperKilt Better switch to OpenGL
/signed this is a mudbox render in opengl
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Lothris Andastar
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: AleRiperKilt Better switch to OpenGL
/signed this is a mudbox render in opengl Pic
That is clearly a shoop. I can tell by the pixels and from the fact that i have seen many shoops in my time.
Also I dont think anyone said Widnows 7 was gonna be good, if its just the same as vista but with a different name all that will happen is people will stay with XP :)
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Asestorian
Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: AleRiperKilt Better switch to OpenGL
/signed this is a mudbox render in opengl http://images.autodesk.com/flashassets/image_gallery/mudbox_gallery/images/imageLarger4.jpg
That's worthless unless we see a comparison of the same image with the same amount of love and care rendered with DX :| (assuming it's possible to do that for a still image like that).
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Destiny Balls
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ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:52:00 -
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i dont know if that image can be rendered in DX :S mudbox work in pipeline whit maya and maya run on pc/mac/linux i dont know if have a DX render option in win anyway the future is on OpenGL M$ can compete whit that if use allot of money but i dont know for how long |
Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.01.08 17:57:00 -
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Last I heard and I havent been able to confirm the source yet, is that they are trying to get another graphics update done in eve to make it look like the last 15 seconds of the empryan age trailer and transfer the current prenium graphics to run on classic client using classic client requirements. However Im not putting any bets on that, they seemed more worried to get prenium on linux and mac first and get the rest of the graphics current update done first. |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: CyberGh0st Vista 64 is the future with native support for 4GB+ RAM, actually being able to use 4GB RAM and 1GB+ video RAM ...
Any 64bit OS has "native" support for 4GB+ RAM/video RAM.
It's because the memory manager is, wait for it... 64 BIT!
Exactly, and since Vista 64 is supported alot better amongst hardware manufacturers then XP 64, the choice is obvious ... thank you for making my point.
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Indiano Arko
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: CyberGh0st Vista 64 is the future with native support for 4GB+ RAM, actually being able to use 4GB RAM and 1GB+ video RAM ...
Any 64bit OS has "native" support for 4GB+ RAM/video RAM.
It's because the memory manager is, wait for it... 64 BIT!
In fact 32 bit server OS's like Win2003(8) Server do support 4GB+ too because of 36 bit addressing.
Yes, but that is not as performant as native 64 bit, plus server applications are better tested so they are not imcompatible with this hack, cause thats what it is, a hack to circumvent the limitations of a 32 bit OS.
Either way, you can't do it under XP, thats what this debate was about, XP being "better" then Vista ...
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:50:00 -
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And sorry for derailing this thread :p
DX10 is not supported by EVE Online
It will be eventually tho :)
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: AleRiperKilt Better switch to OpenGL
/signed this is a mudbox render in opengl
This discussion is moot unless OpenGL is as easy to develop for as DX10
It is not about the technical superiority anymore, but about how much a developper can do with it in certain amounts of time.
Cyberwiz aka CyberGh0st aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Favorites : DAoC-SI/SWG Pre CU-NGE/Ryzom Retired @ WoW/LOTRO/WAR/Planetside/Entropia/UO/Lineage/GW/EQ/Jumpgate/Dofus/AoC |
CyberGh0st
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.08 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 08/01/2009 19:01:15
Originally by: Antimony Noske Anyone buying Vista right now is a fool.
Windows 7 [AKA Vista Service Pack 2] is coming out soon, and should be full of improvements over Vista. There's no point in buying Vista when you'll just be buying 7 in a year's time.
But the point of this topic isn't Vista or Windows, it's Direct X. I don't really have much to say on that matter either.
To put it bluntly: There isn't much that DX10 can do, that DX9 can't. So why upgrade for it?
If you are buying Vista to replace your XP on your current system? Yes that is not advisable ... But if you buy a new Gaming System, then the only smart choice is Vista 64, but buying a new gaming rig is not a good idea either I bet?
And lol at you buying Windows 7 in a year, 1st of all, I wanna bet it wont be released by then, secondly, if you don't even know how to properly run a computer with Vista 64, how are you going to cope with all the bugs of a newly released OS?
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Embarcadero
Originally by: Allen Ramses To hell with DX10 and DX11. Where's my OpenGL 3.0?
What you gonna do about OGL 3.0? Play Tetris 3D version 4081? ;P
this :p
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Brayiel Vista x64 here with Eve cache in a Ram disk, works flawlessly.
Sweet !
Hmm, I'll need an extra 4GB RAM NOW ! :)
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Feilamya
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:13:00 -
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DX10 will remain a marketing buzzword until either
a) Microsoft makes it available on Windows XP, b) Microsoft releases a new version of Windows, which doesn't suck or c) the marketing buzzword for high-end gfx becomes "OpenGL 4.0"
(c) will happen, unless either (a) or (b) happens very soon...
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Indiano Arko
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: AleRiperKilt Better switch to OpenGL
/signed this is a mudbox render in opengl http://images.autodesk.com/flashassets/image_gallery/mudbox_gallery/images/imageLarger4.jpg
That's worthless unless we see a comparison of the same image with the same amount of love and care rendered with DX :| (assuming it's possible to do that for a still image like that).
Both DX and OGL is just an interface for programmers to get access to GPU features.
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Indiano Arko
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
And lol at you buying Windows 7 in a year, 1st of all, I wanna bet it wont be released by then,
Actually on 31 december 2008 beta 1 of Windows 7 was released. So it's not that long to wait until first retail release, I reckon.
Originally by: CyberGh0st
secondly, if you don't even know how to properly run a computer with Vista 64, how are you going to cope with all the bugs of a newly released OS?
Afaik, MS had optimized Win7 so it's more performant than Vista and XP. Hard to say anything about bugs... if you really want to know you can download Win7 beta 1 and install it into VirtualBox (or any other virtualization software).
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Indiano Arko
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.08 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st
Yes, but that is not as performant as native 64 bit,
You hardly will notice any difference (most likely you won't notice at all, tbh) and besides unless I missed something EVE Online is 32 bit or were there 64 bit releases?
Originally by: CyberGh0st
plus server applications are better tested so they are not imcompatible with this hack, cause thats what it is, a hack to circumvent the limitations of a 32 bit OS.
It doesn't matter as long as EveExe.exe process won't reach 2GB limit (in 32bit OS's process memory is limited to 2GB for process and 2GB for kernel, and can be reconfigured to 3GB/1GB mode using a switch in a boot.ini). Only if it will be in need of that large amount of memory it will need to be PAE-compatible (its very easy to accomplish). Oh, and besides it's a hack of course, but it's a hardware-level hack - all present x86 CPUs (starting from Pentium Pro if I recall correctly) support PAE mode to address more than 4GB. So there is no performance hit at all.
Originally by: CyberGh0st
Either way, you can't do it under XP, thats what this debate was about, XP being "better" then Vista ...
True.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.01.08 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ordais There is only one reason not to use Vista: DRM!
Ever worked with Windows Server 2008? Its Vista without all the crap noone needs. So it is possible for MS to do it, they just think ppl are stupid enough to use every crap they get delivered with their computers, and they are right.
Enjoy your Windows 8 (in 2-3 years) where you have to pay MS every 30 days for different parts of your OS, because thats where they want this to go. You can see this trend already start in the gaming industry.
what has the purpoted drm in vista stopped you from doing, watching or playing?
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.01.08 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Antimony Noske Anyone buying Vista right now is a fool.
Windows 7 [AKA Vista Service Pack 2] is coming out soon, and should be full of improvements over Vista. There's no point in buying Vista when you'll just be buying 7 in a year's time.
But the point of this topic isn't Vista or Windows, it's Direct X. I don't really have much to say on that matter either.
To put it bluntly: There isn't much that DX10 can do, that DX9 can't. So why upgrade for it?
anyone BUYING any os is a fool :)
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Ravenja
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Posted - 2009.01.08 20:13:00 -
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Actually WinME is still laughed at today. Even MS's own spokesmen refer to it as toy-OS. Vista will never be popular like Win98SE was or WinXP is. Companies skipping Vista altogether, MS holding tight to their "everything is super" mantra but offering free downgrades and soon future upgrades to Win7 just to get Vista out the door.
Win7 is actually supposed to run better on Netbooks than Vista, that can only be good. And with DX11 there will be enough benefits over DX9 to actually make a reasonable amount of developers write software for it. Me guesses CCP will skip DX10...
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MaxPower 519
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Posted - 2009.01.08 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: MaxPower 519 on 08/01/2009 21:29:58 Ive been using Vista X64 for over 7months with no problems. What kind of problems have you people had with vista? Personally i had my doubts about it too but after i tried i never looked back.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 13/01/2009 10:05:41
Originally by: Indiano Arko Edited by: Indiano Arko on 08/01/2009 19:47:21
Originally by: CyberGh0st
And lol at you buying Windows 7 in a year, 1st of all, I wanna bet it wont be released by then,
Actually on 31 december 2008 beta 1 of Windows 7 was released. So it's not that long to wait until first retail release, I reckon.
Originally by: CyberGh0st
secondly, if you don't even know how to properly run a computer with Vista 64, how are you going to cope with all the bugs of a newly released OS?
Afaik, MS had optimized Win7 so it's more performant than Vista and XP. Hard to say anything about bugs...
Sure, Win7 will probably be an improvement on Vista, after the 1st Service Pack most likely :p
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Indiano Arko
You hardly will notice any difference (most likely you won't notice at all, tbh) and besides unless I missed something EVE Online is 32 bit or were there 64 bit releases?
I'll agree to that
Originally by: Indiano Arko
It doesn't matter as long as EveExe.exe process won't reach 2GB limit (in 32bit OS's process memory is limited to 2GB for process and 2GB for kernel, and can be reconfigured to 3GB/1GB mode using a switch in a boot.ini). Only if it will be in need of that large amount of memory it will need to be PAE-compatible (its very easy to accomplish).
Except that alot of people run more then 1 client on the same system. Try running 2 clients with extreme ( 512MB ) caching. Then add internet explorer, evemon, EFT, antivirus, antispyware, firewall ...
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenja Actually WinME is still laughed at today. Even MS's own spokesmen refer to it as toy-OS. Vista will never be popular like Win98SE was or WinXP is. Companies skipping Vista altogether, MS holding tight to their "everything is super" mantra but offering free downgrades and soon future upgrades to Win7 just to get Vista out the door.
Win7 is actually supposed to run better on Netbooks than Vista, that can only be good. And with DX11 there will be enough benefits over DX9 to actually make a reasonable amount of developers write software for it. Me guesses CCP will skip DX10...
Companies are skipping Vista, agreed, but we here are gamers, and the best PC gamer system atm is Vista 64. Vista 64 is a stable and performant OS, hardly comparable to the fiasco of WinME.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.13 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 13/01/2009 10:24:32
Originally by: Feilamya DX10 will remain a marketing buzzword until either
b) Microsoft releases a new version of Windows, which doesn't suck
Obviously you have no clue and no facts to back it up.
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Gabriel Karade
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.01.13 10:58:00 -
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Quote: After some investigation we found that the regular process heap on Windows XP was not optimal for our resource loading needs. We needed to replace it with a specialized Low Fragmentation Heap. This change made the time spent in loading resources much more consistent. Also, the resource object heap is now separate from the other process heaps which allows the memory manager to better manage the blocks for its needs.
The performance on Windows Vista in this regard is still considerably better than on Windows XP but the performance on Windows XP should now be better and much more uniform than before.
From the last dev blog. Pretty much all I need to know when building a new gaming rig... *shrug* --------------
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Max Mem
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.13 11:10:00 -
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humm funny why everyone waiting for the stripped down version of Vista I just don't get it
windows 7 will be full off peeps going how do I add this I want that how do I get this where's my task bar
lol
they cry because all the bells and wisles then cry because they can figure out how to add them
shall we say willy goes round in circles :) now sing after me...Willy goes round in circles.........
lol
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