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Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
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Posted - 2012.04.16 14:51:00 -
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Because of the versatility of our fair MMO, the Eve universe is one where there are many niche or concept corporations which provide specialist services and so on and so forth. At the moment, advertising these services (or even entire corporations) is limited to naming cans and anchoring them on gates, spamming local, or futilely hoping someone will read your bio.
I think the corporate landscape would infinitely benefit from some way of advertising. I'm not proposing any specific method, I just want to get everyone's opinions on how Eve players and corps could advertise services.
A few examples; - Adverts on CONCORD billboards. - Limited slots (per system) for anchorable billboards. - Adverts on the CQ screen. - New shiptype (holographic billboard projector). - And many many more.
How would you want to advertise? |
Rimase
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
24
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Posted - 2012.04.16 15:17:00 -
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First: Iterate on Shares. - Have them securely transferred to other characters. - Bring a Shares market.
Why? to Attract investors.
Next: This thread's idea, maybe. (Why CCP no improve Shareholding?): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=71032#post71032 |
Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:11:00 -
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Hmm...
Hesitantly supported.
So long as restrictions are applied. I don't want to see as many billboards as there are cans floating around. |
Teshania
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.19 19:52:00 -
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Total Supported,
Buy eve time on the big screen TV in station!! To will advertise your corporation/alliance. Can be done via isk/plex Think about CCP The money you could generate.
Secondly Advertising on CONCORD Billboards in High Sec.
Place Name on Products Built by Corporations.. So if i build a rifter, it will say BUILT buy Teshania. If i built it with as a Corporation Job it Will say Built by Aliastra/Gallente Federation, also it will skin the Ship with the Corperation/Allaince Logo!!
Go if you want to trade mark a Logo Charge us 1 plex for Every 3 Months and the Ship skinning is free every time we build something.
This is a World of Corporations trying to make a living, by providing some form of services with inside your sandbox. Gives us ways to Advertise outside of the forums and Spamming different Chat Channels!
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Robert Saint
Luminaire Trading Company
35
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Posted - 2012.04.23 20:47:00 -
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This is a fantastic idea in general.. Since the general mood in EVE is to let players work it out themselves.....whatever "it" is. Let us advertise our very cool ideas to the rest of EVE respectfully.
PS... how does one advertise on the login screen?
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Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
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Posted - 2012.04.24 11:03:00 -
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Something I saw today has compelled me to post.
I was in Dodixie and saw some chap advertising a "Salvaging Service" in local for level 4 mission runners. After watching him futily talking in local for a little while I was leaving the system and noticed he had cans up on the gates advertising aswell. He was offering a very competative rate a 60-40% split in loot and salvage ISK in the mission runners favour. Everything about the idea was pretty good (except the fact he was advertising in a trade hub, not a mission hub), except I couldn't help but feel like it was futile and slightly pathetic.
Now imagine this same chap had a billboard, which he could somehow link to a webpage advertising it, plus an add on the CQ screen in a major mission running hub. He would be rolling in it. I hear people advertising salvaging services all the time, but I've never heard of anyone earning good ISK out of it. It seems a shame that such a basic and potentially profitable service is limited as a business because there is no way to get people to want to use it. CCP says that salvaging is a career path, but it isn't. Not on its own, but it would be if you could advertise yourself.
Rant over. Also, thanks everyone for the support. Criticism is welcome. |
Teshania
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 11:15:00 -
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Davon Mandra'thin wrote:... CCP says that salvaging is a career path, but it isn't. Not on its own, but it would be if you could advertise yourself.
Agreed. If you allow us to advertise on billboards.. On the Big screen, in the station environment. It would cut down on the number of cans floating in space o.O?
Plus it would give these fine corporations/Alliances out there to get their name spread around. And increase business. |
AFK Hauler
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.24 20:36:00 -
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Possible source for an isk sink based on traffic through the system much like the cost of offices in a station.
10 billboard max, and it costs more the longer it's occupied.
Anything is better than those cans. |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.04.26 06:10:00 -
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I see a vanity isk sink for highsec space, which is of course where the majority of players live and recruitment happens. |
Teshania
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.26 12:17:00 -
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It could turn into 'Vanity' isk sinks. But when over 70% of the eve population lives in highsec, your ad will be seen by most!
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Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.04.27 21:58:00 -
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I could actually see some benefits to the Eve community as a whole from this idea. At the moment, newer players who don't keep up with eve politics, blogs, external sites, etc etc, don't get much in-game exposure to the community side of eve.
If there were billboards about, or adverts, then all the new players would see ads for alliances, etc. Some of the big alliances could even use the billboards for propaganda, to talk about their recent wins, or their enemies recent losses, or to link blogs supporting or naysaying CSM internet politicians. The slightly less enthusiastic players who don't necessarily troll the forums like I do, would actually be able to see the effects of Eve politics in a real and meaningful way without leaving the game. To me, this is more exciting than the prospect of people advertising salvaging services.
I would also like to bring up a potential problem for CCP. How would they regulate what ended up on these billboards? If these ads could have links to external sites then links to lewd sites all over Eve wouldn't do CCP any favors. But I suppose the same can be said of local chat, I guess. |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.04.28 07:33:00 -
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Being able to put ads on the billboards would be cool. It would also make a good ISK sink. |
Rimase
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:18:00 -
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Complimentary services:
- Office location, free Walking in Station advertisement.
- Discount or free advertisements in Office location's solarsystem.
Vanity services:
- Commercial ships warping around solarsystems.
- Stationary structures (Billboards) across along the spacelanes.
- Targeted advertisements in selected locations or whole locations.
- Propaganda: Mass media coverage. Headline news. (Accumulation of paid services rewards bonus)
- BIG: Propaganda: Login screen advertisement.
- BIG: Spot in E-ON Magazine.
(Why CCP no improve Shareholding?): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=71032#post71032 |
Corian Teranos
Among the Shadows Ex umbra.
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:22:00 -
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Honestly i have been thinking of getting together a group of noctis pilots and offering professional salvaging services. the advertising billboard would make it easier to start a more specialized company such as freight salvage or services rendered
while i support the above post i absolutely refuse to have targeted adverts eg Popups |
Teshania
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:36:00 -
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Corian Teranos wrote:Honestly i have been thinking of getting together a group of noctis pilots and offering professional salvaging services. the advertising billboard would make it easier to start a more specialized company such as freight salvage or services rendered
while i support the above post i absolutely refuse to have targeted adverts eg Popups
I agree Popup adverts are the worst type of advertising out there. But i don't think that is possible in space. They would be billboards or On the Screen in your Captains Quarters. So if you don't want to see ads, turn off captains quarters and/or piv your camra angle so you don't see it ;)..
So other thoughts of how to advertise IN Game besides billboards, Logos on ships, and Captains Quarters Big Screen? |
Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:43:00 -
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Well, I had considered a mod that created a floating hologram above your ship. The hologram could just show the alliance logo holograms in the same way that the Territorial Claims Unit does.
Hopefully soon we will have "Walking in Stations Corporate Office Quarters" (I've seen the signs!), and so other corps or players could pay to have posters up in other corporations offices.
Ps; I am updating the original post to include some current pros and cons. Thanks everyone for your input, keep it coming.
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Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:48:00 -
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The more I think about this idea the more I like it.
A feature like this could change the political landscape in Eve immensely. At the moment, only the large sov holding, war mongering, havoc causing corps get any attention or fame. But with something like this Industrial corps and alliances could gain their fair share of the attention through the use of advertising.
I've changed my "hesitantly supported" to "enthusiastically supported".
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Lost True
Paradise project
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:14:00 -
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No.
i'm seeing more than enough ADs out of EVE already.
As long as i'm not searching for a new corp ingame for some reason, i don't want to see anything about it. |
Uronksur Suth
Viziam Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:01:00 -
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Davon Mandra'thin wrote:Because of the versatility of our fair MMO, the Eve universe is one where there are many niche or concept corporations which provide specialist services and so on and so forth. At the moment, advertising these services (or even entire corporations) is limited to naming cans and anchoring them on gates, spamming local, or futilely hoping someone will read your bio. I think the corporate landscape would infinitely benefit from some way of advertising. I'm not proposing any specific method, I just want to get everyone's opinions on how Eve players and corps could advertise services. A few examples; - Adverts on CONCORD billboards. - Limited slots (per system) for anchorable billboards. - Adverts on the CQ screen. - New shiptype (holographic billboard projector). - Alliance logo hologram mods. - Posters in Corporate Offices (Once we can walk around them). - And many more. How would you want to advertise? Pros and Cons wrote: Pros; - Greater corporate flexibility. - Greater versatility/availability of services offered. - Less people in NPC corps (possibly). - More community exposure to those who don't see much of Eve outside of the client. - Potential for propaganda and all the awesomeness that follows. - A powerful ISK sink. - More potential for player created/emergent careers.
Cons; - Would require regulation to prevent excessive ads. (Not really a con if accounted for) - Would require regulation to prevent inappropriate content being advertised. (Not really a con if accounted for)
Sure. There is really no way to now, except for dropping jetcans around gates that have been named with recruiting blurbs.
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Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.05.07 10:06:00 -
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Lost True wrote:No.
i'm seeing more than enough ADs out of EVE already.
As long as i'm not searching for a new corp ingame for some reason, i don't want to see anything about it.
No you dont. You see renamed cans, people's bios, spam mail, local spammers, and people putting bounties on themselves to show up on the bounty board.
If you give people a way to officially advertise, it can be limited and regulated so that the annoyance you convey can be kept to an all time low. If anything, you should be supporting this thread to get rid of all the damn spam. |
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Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:18:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:If you give people a way to officially advertise, it can be limited and regulated so that the annoyance you convey can be kept to an all time low.
Updated OP to include this as a pro. |
Natyrius
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 01:16:00 -
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Supported. +1 |
Ezekiel Delacroix
Solar Horizon Directive
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:31:00 -
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I really like this idea. If those little TV's in space had some actual relevant information, rather than just bounties, it'd make the game feel more like a comunity environment. +1
there is one thing i would like to bring up though. Even if these adverts make it into the game, why would it stop people who already use cans to advertise? It would definitely cut it down, i know that, but the most optimal way of advertising would be to use all forms of advertising wouldn't it? |
Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:04:00 -
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Ezekiel Delacroix wrote:I really like this idea. If those little TV's in space had some actual relevant information, rather than just bounties, it'd make the game feel more like a comunity environment. +1 there is one thing i would like to bring up though. Even if these adverts make it into the game, why would it stop people who already use cans to advertise? It would definitely cut it down, i know that, but the most optimal way of advertising would be to use all forms of advertising wouldn't it?
Well, it wouldn't get rid of people advertising that way completely, but if you give people a respectable looking alternative, it will make the cans look more pathetic or desperate in comparison. Who's going to put an ad can next to a massive shiny billboard? |
Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
110
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Posted - 2012.05.26 12:08:00 -
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Why is it that good ideas are so difficult to keep in the first page of the Assembly Hall?
It seems to me like they are just drowned out by bad and controversial threads. There is something wrong with a system where bad and controversial ideas spend all their time in the spot light, and everything else is just ignored. |
Dyvim Slorm
MNU Operations Luna Sanguinem
12
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Posted - 2012.05.26 18:09:00 -
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Sounds like a good idea.
Perhaps have extra screens or holograms at stations with variable costs, so a market hub system would be much more expensive than a 0.5 backwater |
Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen Infernal Creations
229
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Posted - 2012.05.26 20:27:00 -
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Supported.
Also, maybe price can be dictated by average number of peeps in system a day diviided by some funky other math?
E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us
Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzles. |
Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.06.02 21:32:00 -
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Dragging another thread back to the front page of the Assembly hall. |
Ayn Randy
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.06.03 16:00:00 -
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Perhaps 1 billboard at each gate/station.
You pay to display it so many times an hour. Rates go up depending on jumps in system. |
Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
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Posted - 2012.06.03 19:27:00 -
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Ayn Randy wrote:Perhaps 1 billboard at each gate/station.
You pay to display it so many times an hour. Rates go up depending on jumps in system.
I'm very much for the idea of advert prices scaling with the average populations of systems. Either that, or some kind of bidding system like the buy order system, where your adverts display a certain amount depending on how far down the auction rank you are. With either of these two options, imagine the ISK sink from the adverts in Jita. We would really see who the 1% were that way. |
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Teshania
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.04 14:51:00 -
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Bidding on time slots for the boards i like that idea. It would make it an isk seek but keep it competitive at the same time. Also set a the base bid price by the average traffic in the same system over a set time frame. |
Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive
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Posted - 2012.06.07 10:47:00 -
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You could make the billboards destructible in lowsec and null and then corps could replace them with their own billboards like the new Customs Offices.
It would be marvelous. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
665
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Posted - 2012.06.10 22:36:00 -
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Supported. Nice idea. "Eve isnGÇÖt some welcoming online utopia: itGÇÖs cut-throat, cruel, atavistic despite the futuristic setting. Give people a sandbox, and theyGÇÖll throw the sand in a rivalGÇÖs eyes before kicking them in the shins and destroying their sandcastle." -Keza MacDonald, IGN. |
Servjen
Industrial and Mining Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.06.11 12:34:00 -
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I'm In support of this idea. It will make it easy for people/corp/alliances to promote their service, products or propaganda. And it makes it a good isk sink. |
Teshania
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:49:00 -
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Now all we have to do, is grab the dev attention or csm to hound the devs about it ;) |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:33:00 -
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If this is what it takes to make billboards actually update regularly, and get rid of all those ad-cans. I mean, those cans alone show you there's a need for that kind of stuff. Supported. Join in game channel/mailing list: New Eden Racing Sub-warp racing event thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107164 |
Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive Blue Nation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:26:00 -
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Teshania wrote:Now all we have to do, is grab the dev attention or csm to hound the devs about it ;)
I contacted the CSM, and was evemailed by Alekseyev Karrde, who let me know that CCP are aware of the idea and that we should look out for -
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:corp visibility opportunities during the new player experience in the CSM7 minutes
Not exactly sure what the new player experience has to do with it, although I supose they would benefit more than most from a change like this.
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Teshania
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:32:00 -
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At least they are looking at this idea, its going to be interousting what they do if they are incorperating it into
Quote:corp visibility opportunities during the new player experience in the CSM7 minutes
I can see this truly going a lot further then just new player experience IMO. cause it could not just be corp/alliance recruitment but advertisement for services as will. |
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