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Ticondrius
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Posted - 2009.01.10 12:10:00 -
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So, 10 days into 2009, no dev blogs since the 11th of December last year, 1 day shy of a month.
Where'd the Monday morning dev blogs go to? Where's the blog info on the March 10 expansion? Come on guys, I take a year break from EVE and the most open and transparent development team in MMOs today just goes and clams up like the best dev from WoW.
Even before December, you guys were getting very sparse with the blogs. Hop to it! |
Caiman Graystock
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.10 12:12:00 -
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10 days into the year is a bit early to call the death knell. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.01.10 12:12:00 -
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Perhaps devs have christmas holidays too. |
Gankus Maxiumus
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Posted - 2009.01.10 12:14:00 -
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Meh, I gave up checking the player "news" centre a long time ago. When I started playing eve I used to like the player news bit at the bottom. Then I realised it will frequently go weeks without change. Get used to it I guess.
There is no news. |
Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2009.01.10 12:14:00 -
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Crieps!
Ain't you an impatient one! |
Ticondrius
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Posted - 2009.01.10 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ticondrius on 10/01/2009 12:15:27 In the space of 11 Dec to 10 Jan last year, there were *5* blogs. Don't tell me something isn't up.
Also, over 2007, the average blogs per month was around 8. 2008 was around 4. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.01.10 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ticondrius Edited by: Ticondrius on 10/01/2009 12:15:27 In the space of 11 Dec to 10 Jan last year, there were *5* blogs. Don't tell me something isn't up.
Also, over 2007, the average blogs per month was around 8. 2008 was around 4.
Yes, something's up. They hate you. Personally. They won't write any more devblogs until you give me all your stuff and quit eve forever.
Considering 2009 is almost over (pnly 11 months and a few days left) you are right in that they most likely won't write a devblog this year anymore no matter whether you quit or not.
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CCP Atropos
C C P CCP
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Posted - 2009.01.10 12:41:00 -
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Just watch this space. |
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Tyr Vaantau
Amarr Disorder.
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Posted - 2009.01.10 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Just watch this space.
I am. Nothing is happening..... |
Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.01.10 13:12:00 -
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My prediction: Februari to March will be jammed full of blogs. After the expansion, 1 or 2 months of silence and when we're nearing winter expansion/fan fest/etc, blogs pick up again.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Andreya
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2009.01.10 13:16:00 -
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as we've all seen before, dev blogs cause cause an unwelcome response in the client base. BUT even if devs posted news having ANYthing to do with eve, i think we would feel less alienated. hell throw up pics from the CCP xmas party or something, or of the tour area of the facility... ideas for next tournys... or even about an Eve novel., who cares. just communicate with us (i sound like a clongy girlfriend... ewww) _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected]) |
Furphist
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Posted - 2009.01.10 14:20:00 -
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Quote: clongy girlfriend
Clingy girlfriend.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.10 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Just watch this space.
No, Watch here instead. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.01.10 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Furphist
Quote: clongy girlfriend
Clingy girlfriend.
I think he actually means clongy, as in she's got, you know, the AIDS...
As for Dev Blogs, yeh more would be nice, but they actually have to work too you know.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.10 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth Perhaps devs have christmas holidays too.
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.01.10 15:29:00 -
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Well they seem to have settled into a pattern since Trinity of only blogging immediately before expansions to cover the major new features or nerfs.
To be honest I think they effectively decided to stop blogging when the carrier-nerf blog was published and got such a hysterical reaction.
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2009.01.10 15:35:00 -
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As someone who is actually currently working on a devblog perhaps I can throw some light onto the matter. A devblog is a lot more than one person sitting down and spewing out a couple of paragraphs about work that has gone on. Most of us who are writing them (and yes, there are more of us writing them in the run-up for Apocrypha) tend to take a bit more time because we do the following:
1. Refine the language to try and cut out ambiguous statements as much as possible. Mainly to cut down on wild speculation, word twisting and omg-rabble-rabble-wtf panic attacks as much as possible. For me this means I write something and then let it sit for a day and then re-read it while getting two or three other people to also go through it with fine-toothed combs. You may disagree about the neccessity of this process but experience has shown us time and time again that it is needed.
2. Show what you have written to the people who are actually implementing the features and get feedback. Doesn't help to claim we're doing something in a certain way when in fact that got changed and is now wildly different. Yes, the rate at which we develop would mean that religiously sticking to this rule would mean we never publish, but still you want to be as accurate as possible. And who knows, while you were writing your dev blog the programmers may have finished the key component and you'll be able to put up a screenshot of something awesome. Never hurts to check.
3. Get feedback from Marketing and PR. At this point many of you are no doubt rolling your eyes but the simple truth is that our Marketing and PR people work long and hard at getting press exposure for EVE with many different media outlets. Part of that process may involve promising exclusive coverage for some new feature. If some dev then goes ahead and broadbands the details ahead of time this puts a bit of strain on the relationship between us and the press, which can result in EVE getting less coverage. Dev blogs are public news pieces and we have to treat them just as carefully as any other media piece.
That's just the top three. There's plenty of other to-ing and fro-ing involved in producing this sort of news piece which can delay publication or require re-writes. And of course there's all the other things we need to get done in an average working day. So while we do want to produce dev blogs, the process is a bit more involved than just hammering away at a keyboard for an hour and hitting 'upload'.
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fairimear
Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.10 15:44:00 -
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OOOO FFFSSSSSSSSSS
E-ON = Death blog death. FFS guys get in gear they ain't gonna give you info for free when they can milk you for money by putting it in e-on.
Seriously the days of good dev blogs died with the launch of that magazine.
Bringing a type of class to PL. |
Maria Kalista
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Posted - 2009.01.10 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Maria Kalista on 10/01/2009 15:50:40
Originally by: CCP Whisper Blogs don't fall out of the air.
So, what got in the way of the (legendary, 'I is writing it') Mac/Linux dev blog was (perhaps) 2 and then 3?
Couldn't you just have said so? Or got 3 in the way?
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Anyway, thanks for clearing a few things up. Bookmarked for future reference. |
Breaker77
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Posted - 2009.01.10 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ticondrius Edited by: Ticondrius on 10/01/2009 12:20:21 In the space of 11 Dec to 10 Jan last year, there were *5* blogs. Don't tell me something isn't up.
Also, over 2007, the average blogs per month was around 9. 2008 was around 6.
Also the number of whines over dev blogs is up over all of 2008 in just 10 days. |
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Helison
Gallente GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2009.01.10 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear Seriously the days of good dev blogs died with the launch of that magazine.
This together with all marketing considerations were the death to good DevBlogs. Some time ago DevBlogs were a good tool for getting info and giving feedback (before everything is set into stone). Now DevBlogs are only another marketing tool and it¦s normally better to search 3rd-party sites instead of waiting for a DevBlog. |
MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2009.01.10 16:25:00 -
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In all honesty, i think we need devblogs with shinys to complement the info-heavy ones we have now
Let's say a nice render of what one of the modelers are working on together with a small comment, perhaps about what was hard about making it
A sample of the interface beeing reworked with a few comments on new fetures that might potentialy be implemented, but again nothing above 2-3 sentences
A picture of random devs outside/inside fishtank with accesories that could be conciderd awsome
Simple stuff like that would be awsome |
Tellenta
Gallente Invicta. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.10 16:42:00 -
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It's only 10 days in to 2009 and already something is dead.
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Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.01.10 16:45:00 -
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hmm
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2009.01.10 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ticondrius Edited by: Ticondrius on 10/01/2009 12:20:21 In the space of 11 Dec to 10 Jan last year, there were *5* blogs. Don't tell me something isn't up.
It isn't comparable. 11 Dec 2007 was shortly after the release of Trinity on 5 Dec 2007. This year we released Quantum Rise a month earlier, on 11 Nov 2008, and if we look at the month after that date we find *8* blogs. |
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2009.01.10 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ticondrius So, 10 days into 2009, no dev blogs since the 11th of December last year, 1 day shy of a month.
Where'd the Monday morning dev blogs go to? Where's the blog info on the March 10 expansion? Come on guys, I take a year break from EVE and the most open and transparent development team in MMOs today just goes and clams up like the best dev from WoW.
Even before December, you guys were getting very sparse with the blogs. Hop to it!
could it be that the devs (developers: guys making the game) are busy on the expansion?
say it ain't so sherlock?!? |
Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.01.10 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 10/01/2009 17:17:27 Ho hum
The reason *I* see whines is because the dev blogs often relate to issues that (by my daily lurkage) do not address many issues that the CSM has passed on, such as refining the missile nerf, the POS flogging, sov issues, lowsec woes, stealth bomber and bomb worthlessness, skill training queues, falcons, minnie caps, etc.
But hey we'll get wormholes and the ability to play space flutes soon.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.10 18:44:00 -
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Less slacking, moahr writing! *cracks whip* ----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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masternerdguy
Gallente Gate Control Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.10 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth Perhaps devs have christmas holidays too.
yeah but devs can take their work home P:
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Jove X
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.11 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper .. Snip ..
Would a dev blog on which CCP Valar is better have to go through Marketing and PR too?
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Xailia
Unsteady Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.11 02:32:00 -
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I for one demand dev blogs about what was served for breakfast and/or lunch and/or dinner and/or midnight snack at CCP.
We want office gossip!
"The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel." |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.11 02:46:00 -
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how about a dev journal page? where each dev can upload non important imformation or something?
less strict dev blogs?
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.11 04:06:00 -
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And thank christ, they were getting out of hand. Talk about loving the sound of one's own voice, for ****'s sake. |
Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.11 04:22:00 -
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Maybe there should be like a CCP twitter channel or whatever they call it, so that the devs can post stuff so we can see it.. |
DasDizzy
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.11 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Xailia I for one demand dev blogs about what was served for breakfast and/or lunch and/or dinner and/or midnight snack at CCP.
We want office gossip!
i am a follower of this idea! |
Malthros Zenobia
The Cold Wind Foundation
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Posted - 2009.01.11 04:39:00 -
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So if the devs just post random blogs, whether useful, interesting, or not, you'll be happy?
I'm all for dev blogs, be it "Here are epic details on something new" or "how I spent my christmas vacation", but if I see neither, I'm not going to panic.
These forums get depressing more and more as the player base grows. |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.11 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia So if the devs just post random blogs, whether useful, interesting, or not, you'll be happy?
Yes, and if they post a link to their entry I'd appreciate it, too.
kthxlatzor (please, kill me for writing that) |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.01.11 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper omg-rabble-rabble-wtf panic attacks
That's how we in this corporation like to think our victims react. Both ingame as well as one EVE-O.
Ps. Thanks for the free advert! Ds.
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Xailia
Unsteady Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.11 05:36:00 -
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More like this.
and this
oh!
especially this, this, this, and I swear there was a blog about having a huge ¦orramatur feast... maybe it was during beta?
"The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel." |
Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2009.01.11 06:46:00 -
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There's lots of sparse bits of information about the march patch (apocwhatnow?) littered through out the forum already. You just need (a few forum *****s who can direct your attention to every crumb of information) look hard enough...
Personally, all I want at this time is a firm we will have this, this and this in that patch as so I know what to look forward to, instead of the news clips usually found on external sites.
A thorough explanation of how on earth t3 would work would be nice though, proceeded by 3 months of testing starting yesterday... |
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.11 08:21:00 -
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NO VACATIONS FOR DEVS THE PLAYERBASE HAS SPOKEN
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CCP Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2009.01.13 09:59:00 -
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I¦m preparing a blog, no idea when it will be released. I feel it is somehow related to my coffee in take and general mood. Unless you want me to write a blog in emo poetry. I could try haiku though hmmm choices choices.
Pink Dread has been hijacked
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.13 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Ticondrius Edited by: Ticondrius on 10/01/2009 12:20:21 In the space of 11 Dec to 10 Jan last year, there were *5* blogs. Don't tell me something isn't up.
It isn't comparable. 11 Dec 2007 was shortly after the release of Trinity on 5 Dec 2007. This year we released Quantum Rise a month earlier, on 11 Nov 2008, and if we look at the month after that date we find *8* blogs.
I think the word i'm looking for here is...
Is...
Now what is it...acquired..no no...possession...no...damnit...ah hell.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Xailia
Unsteady Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.13 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia I¦m preparing a blog, no idea when it will be released. I feel it is somehow related to my coffee in take and general mood. Unless you want me to write a blog in emo poetry. I could try haiku though hmmm choices choices.
All of the above please!
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
3. Get feedback from Marketing and PR. At this point many of you are no doubt rolling your eyes but the simple truth is that our Marketing and PR people work long and hard at getting press exposure for EVE with many different media outlets.
Hey, I'm rolling, turning and twitching
I do understand all this and it's a necessity and I know for a fact that it's also tediously slow process. One thing I don't understand is that PR relationship with the playerbase is completely FUBAR and pretty much non-excistent (unless they are stealth beavers lurking in the shadows of the forum). You (CCP) just informed us of a new PCU and guess what... Those people are advertisers also! I would imagine that a small amount of PR towards the playerbase would be beneficial. |
Pesadel0
Minmatar Rytiri Lva R.U.R.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Helison
Originally by: fairimear Seriously the days of good dev blogs died with the launch of that magazine.
This together with all marketing considerations were the death to good DevBlogs. Some time ago DevBlogs were a good tool for getting info and giving feedback (before everything is set into stone). Now DevBlogs are only another marketing tool and it¦s normally better to search 3rd-party sites instead of waiting for a DevBlog.
Word. |
Chruker
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper 3. Get feedback from Marketing and PR. At this point many of you are no doubt rolling your eyes but the simple truth is that our Marketing and PR people work long and hard at getting press exposure for EVE with many different media outlets. Part of that process may involve promising exclusive coverage for some new feature. If some dev then goes ahead and broadbands the details ahead of time this puts a bit of strain on the relationship between us and the press, which can result in EVE getting less coverage.
I find this part horrible. I would want the customers to be the first to get their hands on new information. Its horrible that current subscribers are prioritized less than some damn media chumps
All information must be published in some way accessible to subscribers at the same time or before any other media. You can then prioritize all you want for the rest of the damn media circus. But dont **** on your existing users!!! |
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.15 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Chruker
All information must be published in some way accessible to subscribers at the same time or before any other media. You can then prioritize all you want for the rest of the damn media circus. But dont **** on your existing users!!!
/signed. Stop whining. |
Commander Azrael
Three Shades of Brown
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Posted - 2009.01.15 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Chruker
Originally by: CCP Whisper 3. Get feedback from Marketing and PR. At this point many of you are no doubt rolling your eyes but the simple truth is that our Marketing and PR people work long and hard at getting press exposure for EVE with many different media outlets. Part of that process may involve promising exclusive coverage for some new feature. If some dev then goes ahead and broadbands the details ahead of time this puts a bit of strain on the relationship between us and the press, which can result in EVE getting less coverage.
I find this part horrible. I would want the customers to be the first to get their hands on new information. Its horrible that current subscribers are prioritized less than some damn media chumps
All information must be published in some way accessible to subscribers at the same time or before any other media. You can then prioritize all you want for the rest of the damn media circus. But dont **** on your existing users!!!
It's called PR. It's a business at the end of the day so certain things are provided as exclusives to the media. You still get to hear about it when it's published, what difference does it make? You can't use these 'features' until there implemented anyway. CCP give us a LOT more information than other MMO's but some people are never happy unless they're whining about something which seems to be more and more of the player base these days. This is an opt in service, nobody forces you to play.
People might want to start enjoying what we have than wildly speculating about CCP's apparent hidden intentions to **** the player base off every chance they get.
Lighten up and enjoy the game, and failing that; Cancel your subscription.
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MyOwnSling
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.15 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: MyOwnSling on 15/01/2009 14:28:46
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Ticondrius Edited by: Ticondrius on 10/01/2009 12:20:21 In the space of 11 Dec to 10 Jan last year, there were *5* blogs. Don't tell me something isn't up.
It isn't comparable. 11 Dec 2007 was shortly after the release of Trinity on 5 Dec 2007. This year we released Quantum Rise a month earlier, on 11 Nov 2008, and if we look at the month after that date we find *8* blogs.
I think the word i'm looking for here is...
Is...
Now what is it...acquired..no no...possession...no...damnit...ah hell.
I believe you are looking for owned. |
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2009.01.15 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rakshasa Taisab on 15/01/2009 14:53:18
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia I¦m preparing a blog, no idea when it will be released. I feel it is somehow related to my coffee in take and general mood. Unless you want me to write a blog in emo poetry. I could try haiku though hmmm choices choices.
冬の島 解けてる言葉 コーヒの味
fuyu no shima toketeru kotoba aji wa ko-hi
Island of Winter Thawing words Taste is coffee
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.15 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: MyOwnSling I believe you are looking for owned.
Thank you my good man
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Raymon James
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.15 15:56:00 -
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when your suffering from blog withdrawl its time to admit you have a problem.
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Andromaner
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Posted - 2009.01.15 16:09:00 -
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Still nothing actually relevant to gameplay
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Haral Reimo
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Posted - 2009.01.15 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
冬の島 解けてる言葉 コーヒの味
fuyu no shima toketeru kotoba aji wa ko-hi
Island of Winter Thawing words Taste is coffee
Not bad! Looks like you changed one of your japanese representations and not updated the other though, the romaji doesn't match the kana. For what it's worth, I prefer the way you have it in the romaji and English. "Taste of coffee" doesn't have quite the same ring.
For those who can't read Japanese, that's a proper Haiku. It's got a season, a theme of change as well as the correct syllabic structure.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2009.01.15 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Haral Reimo Not bad! Looks like you changed one of your japanese representations and not updated the other though, the romaji doesn't match the kana. For what it's worth, I prefer the way you have it in the romaji and English. "Taste of coffee" doesn't have quite the same ring.
For those who can't read Japanese, that's a proper Haiku. It's got a season, a theme of change as well as the correct syllabic structure.
冬の島 解けてる言葉 味はコーヒ
... Is what it was supposed to be. I did the initial version in kanji, then forgot to change it when i edited the romanji version. |
MailDeadDrop
Globaltech Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.15 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: MailDeadDrop on 15/01/2009 18:22:06 Edited by: MailDeadDrop on 15/01/2009 18:21:55
Originally by: CCP Whisper Show what you have written to the people who are actually implementing the features and get feedback.
Huh. From the name "devblog" I would have assumed that they were written by people who were actually, y'know, the devs. What you describe sounds entirely like a marketing activity, which would imply that the name would be "marketingblog". Maybe it's time your forum tag was updated to be more accurate. *shrug*
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Yuko Anekohji
Quatidion Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:27:00 -
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+1 for moar dev blogs!
MOAR!!!!
I seriously don't care if its about oveur's drunken hysteria or sumthing useless like that, It's a devBLOG, those aren't supposed to be newspost. I want the crazy devblogs from before back!
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F90OEX
F9X
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:50:00 -
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Problem with Dev blogs is there not spread out over time, like the last batch of blogs came 1-2days after each other. IE means lots of info to read switching from one blog to another = overload in information |
MyOwnSling
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.15 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: MailDeadDrop Edited by: MailDeadDrop on 15/01/2009 18:22:06 Edited by: MailDeadDrop on 15/01/2009 18:21:55
Originally by: CCP Whisper Show what you have written to the people who are actually implementing the features and get feedback.
Huh. From the name "devblog" I would have assumed that they were written by people who were actually, y'know, the devs. What you describe sounds entirely like a marketing activity, which would imply that the name would be "marketingblog". Maybe it's time your forum tag was updated to be more accurate. *shrug*
MDD
That quote is Whisper talking about the actual coders, i.e. developers. So, the blogs are indeed written by devs. If you read the post, the marketing guys just say when the devs can't write about a certain feature. |
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