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Hikaru Kai
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Lashar 1. Please stop supporting SM2 by the end of 2009. Geforce 6-7 series are already archaic by today's standards and they can support SM3. You can get an SM3 compatible card for 20-40 bucks, or find people giving them away for practically nothing. The biggest problem its going to cause is for people who want to log in and play or change skills from their laptops that have ****ty Intel chipsets. Unfortunately, there's probably a ton of those. Players will just have to blame Intel, and then blame themselves for trying to game on an Intel graphics chipset.
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3. DirectX9.0c is getting old itself,
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This.
To all you cheapskate laptop owners who think gaming on a laptop is elite, because you can do it poolside while sipping an Appletini, grow a pair. |
Kazella
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:49:00 -
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HP nx6325 Laptop here with an ATI Radeon Xpress 1150 graphic chipset. So I guess I am in my final days...
As a single Dad EVE is the only game I have little scraps of time to play.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Hugh Ruka on 13/01/2009 21:51:49 CCP is making my wife realy happy this and last year ... I am considering quiting the game for the 3rd time or so in the last 10 months...
I mean one more such a crap announcement and I'll defo quit ...
(supporting SM2/3 and actualy offering good performance is not the same CCP, don't **** off your subscribers even more) |
clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Miz Cenuij Genius LOL.
Whilst im relativley well off, you have to laugh at a company that chooses to force a large portion of its customers to upgrade in the middle of a financial crisis. Dont you guys employ an actual financial expert? Arnt you based in a bankrupt country?
The irony of it all.
This.
Fine, get rid of SM1, huge advantage there. But getting rid of SM2 doesn't seem to offer you any advantage.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.01.13 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kaya Divine "making ShaderModel 2 (GeForce FX (5 series) or ATi R300 series cards or compatible) the minimum requirement and discontinue the "Classic client" version of EVE, replacing it with "Premium Lite""
Yet another CCP failure. I do hope that you will get alot of new players, because you will for sure lose huge chunk.
Seriously if you dont have a sm2 card in your pc by now you should upgrade from the 286 or quit trying to play games. |
M1AU
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:00:00 -
[126]
Yea, how about Linux?
Plenty of users already stated that they want to know what Linux plans do you have and I want to know that too.
Thanks in advance. |
Beebopa Lula
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:01:00 -
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I currently have a GeForce 4200 Ti graphics card, which when I bought it in Q4/2002 was pretty much the best card available. Anyway, it seems this will not be supported.
Problem is, all the newer cards seem to require a PCI Express slot, which I don't have - only PCI and AGP. So it's not just a case of a new card, but a whole new PC.
However, my PC (1800 GHz Pentium 4 running XP with 1 GB RAM) is absolutely fine for everything else I use it for, and it can also run two clients satisfactorily as well. So I won't be upgrading it just to play EVE.
This is a real shame, but the hassle and cost of setting up a new PC do not justify it. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:02:00 -
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my desktop supports sm3 (nvidia 7600 gs) that I got for somewhere between $50-90 almost 2 years ago now (spring 07). although it kinda coughs at running premium clients. although that probably has something to do more with my system in general. I'm wondering what running premium light will be like, currently run 2 classic clients at a time.
my laptop, supports sm2 (ati mobility radeon x700), purchased a bit over 3 years ago (fall 05). it wasn't exactly purchased for gaming, but well it ended up playing a lot of games.
I was planning on buying a new comp over summer, but right now I don't know if that will happen. |
Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kaya Divine My subscription plan will last up to April. After March because of graphic card which will not support Premium Lite I will not be able to play. For those which subscriptions are even longer, and because of change of minimum requirements I hope that CCP will offer reimbursements.
It's not ccp's fault you have a crap computer. |
Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:05:00 -
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I've got some kind of NVDIA 6800, so I am safe, but I think a better benchmark of exclusion-of-existing-players would be the year-of-purchase.
I bought my computer in late 2005, and as far as I knew the graphics card in it was farly high-end at that time.
So what users are you excluding? Probably those that bought their computers in 2003, and maybe also most of those that bought their computers in 2004. I think this is the more important figure to look at: How old is one's computer allowed to be, in order to still be able to play EVE, assuming that one purchased a mid-range computer in that year.
Do you want EVE to be able to run on computers that are 3 years old? 4.5 years old? 6 years old? What?
One nice feature of MMOs is that they can run on fairly weak computers. The system requirements for both World of Warcraft and EVE have always been low. With the recent Wrath of the Lich King expansion, it became possible to crank the graphics quality up so high that the game simply froze on my computer, so I had to alt+tab out and close down the program, then log in again and reduce the settings (mostly view distance). But WoW still can run on fairly low-end computers, with the graphics quality set to lowest.
Why not do the same with EVE?
Excluding players who can't do ShaderModel 2, this spring, might be a good idea, but excluding players who can't do ShaderModel 3 at the end of this year? That might be a year too early...
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
It's not ccp's fault you have a crap computer.
Otoh it isn't our fault they are increasing the minimum specs just to make their life easier. |
LeonTaki
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Kaya Divine "making ShaderModel 2 (GeForce FX (5 series) or ATi R300 series cards or compatible) the minimum requirement and discontinue the "Classic client" version of EVE, replacing it with "Premium Lite""
Yet another CCP failure. I do hope that you will get alot of new players, because you will for sure lose huge chunk.
Seriously if you dont have a sm2 card in your pc by now you should upgrade from the 286 or quit trying to play games.
Well, not everybody can affort the run the client. Its not only the graphics card but also the rest. I still wanne know how i can upgrade my Laptop.. so stop the stupid remarks...
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Rillek Ratseye
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:07:00 -
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My normal eve machine will run all this without problems...I got an ATI x3850.
My concerns are big though. The last 2 years I have introduced 3 new people to EVE (all still play ).
They were introduced to eve on my secondary machine - my old primary. Its an Athlon XP 2800+ with a Radeon 9700. (Supports SM2) Its old, yes. But it runs alot of the games I love to play with my friends. - Civ3, Starcraft, Age of Empires 2 etc. If my secondary machine couldn't run eve back when I showed my friends EVE, they would never have started.
I fear I'm not the only one who have an "old secondary" computer that is used or will some day be used to introduce new people to the game.
Also any hardware statistics run from the client wont really catch these "old secondary computers" - so they might be overlooked.
-- Ratseye |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Meat Missle Why doesn't CCP form a list of everyones system specs?
Build a small second program that will automatically take the DirectX Diagnostic output and place it into a .txt file that dumps to the users desktop. Then either have them email the contents or have the same program send the data to a server for processing?
If you want an example, the Guild Wars game client has a debug button that, when clicked, gathers a massive report on all system specs to send to ArenaNet. The client is available for free download off www.guildwars.com ( no im not trying to advertise another game, just providing help ).
valve system survey anyone? |
Furb Killer
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:08:00 -
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Laptop with X700M here. When i bought it, it was pretty much the best graphics card for laptops (performance/power consumption), and it runs classic without any issues at all. Only reason it cant run premium is because ati introduced SM3.0 one generation later than nvidia.
I can fully understand why you would drop SM1.0 support, but while i probably got another laptop before end of the year, i think it is early to drop SM2.0 support.
When premium graphics were introduced, eve online was on many IT news websites because they kept supporting classic graphics for old computers, instead of screwing them. It would be a bit strange to screw them anyway now. |
Al Mine
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:12:00 -
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I'm running on a Intel GMA 950 Laptop which is able to run SM2.0. I will not get a desktop just for better graphics while mining, as they are real energy suckers. It IS a big difference if you have a 35W Notebook or a 350W desktop running 16h/day!
If I will find out, that one day I cannot run eve anymore and still have gametime left, I want a refund. |
Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
It's not ccp's fault you have a crap computer.
Otoh it isn't our fault they are increasing the minimum specs just to make their life easier.
No but do you expect a reimbursement from every company that improves its users experience? |
Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Otoh it isn't our fault they are increasing the minimum specs just to make their life easier.
Whilst a valid point, as a dev myself I can empathise with the attitude that says 'stop asking us to make the client better and less laggy and better looking, unless you let us update the damn thing properly'.
In other words, one could equally argue this is some of the players' fault for asking for an improved client. It's all swings and roundabouts. |
Banni Vinda
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:19:00 -
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According to the latest Steam Hardware Survey, the distibution of graphics cards looks something like this:
DirectX 10 GPUs 48.84%
DirectX 9 Shader Model 2b and 3.0 GPUs 29.23%
DirectX 9 Shader Model 2.0 GPUs 7.83%
DirectX 8 GPUs and below 14.10%
I'd guess that Steam users are amongst the most leading-edge when it comes to keeping their hardware up-to-date, so I'm pretty confident EVE's userbase statistics wouldn't exceed these. Therefore at least 21% of players would be forced out by the dropping of SM2.0 (possibly as high as 51%, depending on where the line between SM 2b and SM 3.0 falls). I'd be very interested to find out how Zulupark came up with his numbers, since they seem significantly different from the Steam results.
I second the motion to keep SM2.0 support as long as possible. My main PC is a gaming laptop, so that wouldn't have a problem, however my backup/travelling laptop (EEE 1000H) could be negatively affected. Quite disappointing, since its EVE-ability was at worth at least 50% of my decision to buy it (the other half being its awesome battery life and its ultra-portability) |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
No but do you expect a reimbursement from every company that improves its users experience?
Premium and Classic are two very seperate beasts, and together they allow for the best of both worlds. However, CCP want to drop Classic to make less work for themselves, it will do nothing to improve the experience of the people who already run Premium.
Your arguement is flawed. This isn't about making Eve better for the players. |
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Glassback
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue If we could just render the inside of a station with environment loading disabled it would be useful. That way people relying on slightly crappy laptops can still chat to friends from their hotel room and change skills.
Just turn off station environment under display & Graphics? |
Morgan La'Chance
Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Beebopa Lula I currently have a GeForce 4200 Ti graphics card, which when I bought it in Q4/2002 was pretty much the best card available. Anyway, it seems this will not be supported.
Problem is, all the newer cards seem to require a PCI Express slot, which I don't have - only PCI and AGP. So it's not just a case of a new card, but a whole new PC.
However, my PC (1800 GHz Pentium 4 running XP with 1 GB RAM) is absolutely fine for everything else I use it for, and it can also run two clients satisfactorily as well. So I won't be upgrading it just to play EVE.
This is a real shame, but the hassle and cost of setting up a new PC do not justify it.
Now, while I'm all for keeping SM2, this really does scream "upgrade".
I'm not trolling you when I'm saying that you can get a computer that has four or five times the performance of your current one for 100 USD. |
IonHammer
Minmatar Black Avatar Lost Sheep Domain
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:22:00 -
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like the first guys i have an old amiga and old zx spectrum how about an old trs 80 will that play it j/k
I must say i have been looking for an excuse to upgrade my PR 3 ghz amd 64 agp 1950 pro box now i guess i can since i like to run 4 clients and use folding@home while running prime sequence search's with matlab.
out with the old in with the new.
still thing you might loose some custoemr's though if the RL E keeps burping many upgrades will be put on the bac burner along with food and beer in eve cups. |
Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Avon This isn't about making Eve better for the players.
Read the dev blog again. Yes it is. Time is saved not maintaining an entire separate client - it doesn't take a genius to work out that more time for other features does improve EVE, albeit indirectly. |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Originally by: Avon This isn't about making Eve better for the players.
Read the dev blog again. Yes it is. Time is saved not maintaining an entire separate client - it doesn't take a genius to work out that more time for other features does improve EVE, albeit indirectly.
No, it just means you can maintain the current levels with less staff.
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Groox
noli turbare circulos meos
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Groox on 13/01/2009 22:25:25 So I can't play with my laptop later this year :( I bought it Intel dual core rig year ago. Only supports SM2.0 graphics.
btw. are there any budget class laptops aviable with SM3.0+ support these days?
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Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:24:00 -
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I was one of the major whiners about SM3 only support when the Premium content was released, and I would just like to say this:
Thank you CCP. You make a great MMOG for us to immerse ourselves in, and you do listen to your client base (from time to time/when it suits you! ). Keep up the excellent work! |
Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:26:00 -
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Ummm .. its not always about the hardware.
I have an nVidia 7900 and a dual/dual core but run Linux. I don't run your linux client, I run everything thought wine.
But not all of the graphics issues have been worked out in Linux. Every time I've upgraded to premium its stopped working for me in linux. This is likely (I believe) because OpenGL doesn't have full support for the features you're taking advantage of in Premium.
I suppose Premium-lite may fix things, but I'm not going to hold my breath. I will dread this change, because more likely than not I expect it to prevent me from playing EVE.
.. I guess I'll have to stay tuned ...
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Beebopa Lula I currently have a GeForce 4200 Ti graphics card, which when I bought it in Q4/2002 was pretty much the best card available. Anyway, it seems this will not be supported.
Problem is, all the newer cards seem to require a PCI Express slot, which I don't have - only PCI and AGP. So it's not just a case of a new card, but a whole new PC.
Whilst I don't know what country you're in, this 6200 AGP for sale for 30 pounds is illustrative that you can still get AGP cards. That one according to Nvidia's own site will support Shader Model 3. |
Demme
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:27:00 -
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Adapt or Die?
SM2 - I adapt
SM3 - I die
Preparing emo rage quit for late 2009
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