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Belliana
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Beebopa Lula Problem is, all the newer cards seem to require a PCI Express slot, which I don't have - only PCI and AGP. So it's not just a case of a new card, but a whole new PC.
You can buy an agp card that will run eve just fine for cheap. You really should look at hardware a little before starting the tears and going emo on everyone.
Here's a PCI video card that's more than you'll need to play eve for years to come. Why on earth you're complaining about having to replace your whole pc is beyond me. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187041
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Shirley Serious
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:29:00 -
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ok, I think this machine will cope through to winter 2009. Fair enough.
But, what about Vista? or Windows 7? Will I have to purchase a machine with those installed? Or can I continue with XP?
Yes. Yes, I am. |
Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 13/01/2009 22:32:36
Originally by: Avon No, it just means you can maintain the current levels with less staff.
You know something about CCP's staff plans? Do tell. I'm sure everyone would be keen to know about the redundancies planned as a result of this Shader Model decision.
Originally by: Shirley Serious But, what about Vista? or Windows 7? Will I have to purchase a machine with those installed? Or can I continue with XP?
They dropped support for Windows 2000 in March 2008 (if memory serves). Given that and the apparent resistance of a fair few to upgrade to Vista and I suspect there's plenty of life in XP yet. I sure hope so too ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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yunger
Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:30:00 -
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Both my current computer and the old rig can use sm 3.0 but i think the december 2009 part should be reconsidered, Give it atleast 6 more months.
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Eraggan Sadarr
Phoenix Tribe
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:33:00 -
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I really wish i COULD run it on my Amiga. Now that's a wonderful piece of equipment
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Xori Ruscuv
Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:33:00 -
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Nono... nononono... nooo.
I run premium client on my primary machines. Can run two clients in big fights easily, etc.
However, when I'm out of town on vacation, business, etc. I just take my old Sony Vaio with me, load up the classic client in order to switch skills and get BPOs in my labs.
Unless you give us a training queue, this is a bad idea. I'm not sure many players are going to want to buy some $2500 alienware PC replacement just so they can train skills and do mundane database crap when they're on the road, etc.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:34:00 -
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http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-095-OK
That's a GeForce 6 series card, right? AGP, SM3.0, and ú35.
OK so that's a whole 2 months EVE sub, but I'm not sure the sky is falling here. -- 249km locking? |
Reean Takari
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:34:00 -
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Okay Guys... This change from to SM2 minimus will delegate my lap top to the trash heap, for the purpose of Eve. Well.. even though the old gal is a still doing the job, sooner or later it was bound to get beyond it's usable life. And 9 months or so later. minimum SM3 presents problems. Compatability problems with older codec output formats for me.
However, by your own estimates, you'd better go talk to the Economists you have consulting you before dropping the axe on 2.0.
Your thought that - By the third quarter the current ninty five percentile will run out and buy new cards to bring you total base to 97%? I know we gamers are on the bleeding edge of technolgy.. but there's another bleed going on.... cash.
Get some advice on the amount of available cash (disposable funds)predicted as "available" by the last quarter of 2009 "world wide"... you may want to "drag" the 3.0 minimum out a bit.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-095-OK
That's a GeForce 6 series card, right? AGP, SM3.0, and ú35.
OK so that's a whole 2 months EVE sub, but I'm not sure the sky is falling here.
How do I install that in my laptop? Got a guide or HOWTO?
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:35:00 -
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Here is a question, if you are going to kill off SM2 support, why develop Premium Lite at all if all you are only gona get 9months payback? Why in that case would you not let classic exist until winter expansion? I am just trying to grasp the logic of the move in winter. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box |
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Girabaldi D'Protagonist
Minmatar In Theory.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:35:00 -
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The one ting that I really want to see.. is implementation of SLI / Crossfire support so that those of use running dual cards of whatever flavor can take full advantage and run 6 accounts if we want to on 3 or 4 monitors..
Well maybe not that crazy but allow me to run three on a pair of monitors without bogging down.. utilize the awesomeness of the cross connected Video cards.. 2GB of video mem cut in half cuz y'all (thats one of those down south words for all you yankees and foriegners)won't support the SLI / Crossover stuff.
Thanks..
PS. Can't wait to see what Tech 3 has to offer and (insert pipedream here) would really love to see astroid belts moved to exploration / scanned out..
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Darth Felin
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:36:00 -
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SM 1.0 have to be scrapped long time ago even if it will cost me a laptop that unable to support 2.0, but second step is too harsh imho.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:37:00 -
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CCP should do a survey to determine exactly how many people run PS 2.0 and whether they are just lazy desktop users that fail at upgrading or are laptop users that cannot upgrade easily.
Personally I'm all for axing PS 1.0 and 2.0 today. Out with the ancient, in with the almost ancient! --
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
It's going to cost a **** ton of money. I've been preparing for an update, so I'll be fine. The issue is that you can't just buy a new graphics card and call it a day. Almost any part I upgrade in my current PC would require buyin a new PC. Other parts of my rig just would not be compatible. Lets not pretend, that it's not going to hurt a lot of people with low-end machines and hard RL situations. CCP can have good, well justified reasons for doing it, but I want them to make the decitions with their eyes open and not to pretend it's all sunshine and lollipops for all involved.
I was in a similar situation some years ago. I had a computer less than 4 years old, which had been high-end at the time of purchase (Voodoo 2 card for 3D graphics, 333 MHz Pentium II, and so forth), and there was this game coming out, Morrowind, which just had minimum system requirements that my computer couldn't match. I asked around in newsgroups if it was possible to upgrade to a graphics card, but the replies were negative. I'd have to buy a new computer, in order to be able to meet the specs.
"You can always just upgrade your graphics card" is a myth[1], and if CCP don't understand this, they might cause themselves some trouble, even though I'm well in the green with my 38 months old computer (6800 GT card does support SM 3).
[1] Even though I do believe it is more feasible now, in more (desktop) cases, than it was in early 2002. Also the computer buying situation now is quite different from what it was like in 2002 or even in 1998.
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ggibblets
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:42:00 -
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My main concern is Linux, what does this mean for it? SM2 might run OK in WINE, but SM3 I'm not sure about...
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LordRyan77
Gallente Ooops Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:42:00 -
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I run 4 clients on 2 networked PC'S. One premium one classic. The classic shuts down when taking into combat so I just use it monitor chat and set training skills. So I can imagine how this is gonna go. Two of my accounts are due for renewal in 12 days, I'm just gonna go ahead and cancel those. No reason to wait, I already know it won't work. LordRyan77 |
Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 13/01/2009 22:49:27
Originally by: clone 1 Here is a question, if you are going to kill off SM2 support, why develop Premium Lite at all if all you are only gona get 9months payback? Why in that case would you not let classic exist until winter expansion? I am just trying to grasp the logic of the move in winter.
Very good question. Going from what the blog says, Lite is implied to be the exact same underlying client as Premium or at least very similar, with lower resolution textures and different shaders - otherwise they'd still be maintaining two clients and have gained nothing at all beyond a rename. Thus they won't be developing that much - however you're right, it does beg the question, if they drop SM2 in December, why have a few months of developing and maintaining SM2 shaders for the Lite version at all.
My gut says that given the feedback so far, they won't drop SM2; it's clear quite a few laptop users posting are not yet using SM3 cards. |
Blazde
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:48:00 -
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My card supports SM3 but running Premium causes freezes and glitches a lot so I don't. The Classic graphics engine is mature and rock solid judging by lack of complaints now, and it took years to get that way.
In all honesty I don't care about Beautiful very much. Stable I care about a lot. Though I can see it's an important selling point and EVE needs to stay current |
qrAq
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: qrAq on 13/01/2009 22:55:37 i have a 1 year old laptop with gma950 and it has serious problems running classic eve faster than 20fps(which is fine for me, but it is more like 5-10fps in a BIG serious battle - all effects off!) If there will be problems running "premium lite" on my spec I assure you, CCP, that I will NOT buy a new one. Not for one game (eve is pretty much only game i play on pc). qrAq out
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Lord Timelord
Point of No Return Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:53:00 -
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My Main Account is running a BFG GeForce 7800 GS OC 8x AGP Video Card. This card is currently running the EVE Premium Client at 40-60 FPS most of the time, and performance is adequate. It looks like this card will be able to run things down the road, however it'll be at a worse frame rate. This system will have to be downgraded to my 2nd accounts box at the end of the year, no doubt due to the horrid performance of the 'new and improved' eve client.
Now about the laptop users that have sounded off toward you CCP (count me as one of them)!
I have a 1 1/2 year old Acer Aspire Laptop that came with the ATI Radeon Xpress 1100 Series Video Card. This card supports (Full DirectX 9.0 Support (Vertex Shader v2.0 and Pixel Shader v2.0). This laptop can't run the Premium Client due to this limitation, so it runs the classic client for my 2nd account.
If Shader v2.0 is dropped from support, it will no longer be able to play EVE. I would NOT be happy with the fact that I spent considerable time looking for a laptop that could play the EVE Classic Client FOR THIS SPECIFIC PURPOSE! Being able to log onto your accounts and run stuff in the classic client is extremely useful. I can even pvp on the laptop, which gets a respectable 40 fps running the classic client. It isn't stellar, but it gets the job done. If Shader 2.0 is dropped from support, I can foresee this laptop getting sold.
It's a shame that CCP thinks that a $600.00, 1 1/2 Year old Dual Core Laptop with 2GB of Ram isn't new enough for them (GRUMBLE)! |
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brakespear
Minmatar Heaven Up Here
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:54:00 -
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How will this affect those currently unable to use Premium due to trinity.dll / blue.dll issues? Has a fix been identified? Or will Premium Lite not cause these errors? |
Cybele Lanier
Amarr The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.13 22:58:00 -
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I'm going to miss the swirly blue things on the Prowler. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 13/01/2009 23:03:00
Originally by: clone 1 Here is a question, if you are going to kill off SM2 support, why develop Premium Lite at all if all you are only gona get 9months payback? Why in that case would you not let classic exist until winter expansion? I am just trying to grasp the logic of the move in winter.
I really want to see a comment on this. Why put money into something your going to get rid of in 9 months. keep it in, or at least get rid of it, but allow users to TURN IT DOWN to SM2.
In other words let us as players turn off normal maps and advanced lighting and other things. Putting money and time into a system where we can barebone the cilent down to SM2 and back up to SM3 would be awesome.
Originally by: Cybele Lanier I'm going to miss the swirly blue things on the Prowler.
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Delphen Gruss
Gallente BlazingAngels
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:01:00 -
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As a person who uses 2 computers and 2 accounts (1 per PC) I have one card supporting Shader Model 2, and one that supports Shader Model 3. The card in the PC with shader model 3 was purchased just for Premium, but I cannot afford to go out an upgrade the other PC just to play eve, and I dislike dual-boxing my accounts, as that is to much of a pain. I prefer to have it all in front of me at the same time.
Please don't remove Shader Model 2 support. |
ArmyOfMe
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:01:00 -
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i can run it in premium fine, unless i run dual accounts. so ive actually hardly every ever had the premium graphics activated.
I hope you make damn sure that i can run dual accounts with premium light just as fine as i can on classic now or i have at least one account i dont need anymore.
but removing classic client is a bad idea with the regards of the graphic cards in a lot of laptops anyhow. this is one thing you really should reconsider. |
Random Incarnate
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Random Incarnate on 13/01/2009 23:06:18
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Leeham I hate to disturb the argument here regarding people being excluded but will Premium Light graphically represent prenium or classic?
Premium Light will be an "auto-generated SM2 version" of the current Premium art content (which is SM3).
So - if it's auto-generated, is it that much harder to maintain an SM2 client as well as an SM3?
I definitely like the idea of Premium Light, but don't give me the shinies just to say you might take it away 6 months later. :(
I may be able to upgrade by that time, or, I may be a poor uni student. =/
P.S. Running an X600 in a laptop - impossible to upgrade. Desktop only has AGP support.
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CCP Zulupark
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:05:00 -
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It's good to see that people are giving constructive feedback. The biggest concerns appear to be with the SM3 change, especially in regards to laptops.
Please keep commenting, we're reading this thread and gathering info and data to see what concerns you have. The only way for us to make and revise plans about these sorts of things is by having an open and honest discussion with the players and that seems to be working fine :-) |
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Xori Ruscuv
Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 13/01/2009 23:06:53 Global economic recession = really bad time to "force" people into new hardware. Yes, the recession is global, and yes, it will likely last over a year.
Besides, a lot of people use notebooks to do non combat Eve activities while on the road, work, vacation, etc. Eve is a game that DEMANDS that you log in every X days. That's fine, and hardcore Eve fans don't mind that. But it's going to be a huge crimp in the plan when you essentially keep people from logging in (while they're away from home) by forcing a high lower bound in hardware requirements. |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: James Lyrus http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-095-OK
That's a GeForce 6 series card, right? AGP, SM3.0, and ú35.
OK so that's a whole 2 months EVE sub, but I'm not sure the sky is falling here.
How do I install that in my laptop? Got a guide or HOWTO?
No, but I hear laptops aren't designed to upgrade. I figured you probably knew that when you bought it. |
keepiru
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:07:00 -
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I think you're misguided about the 2.0 dropping.
There's plenty of players (I know a number of them ingame) that have no plan to upgrade an SM2.0 machine because they do everything that's necessary, and will keep doing so for the next 2-3 years. Certainly, I have no plan whatsoever to upgrade my SM2 desktop purely to run EVE Premium.
While by the end of this year dropping 2.0 support will probably not be an issue for desktop users - SM3 cards will be cost a couple of coffees at starbux by then - the laptop users, and there's a heck of a lot of them, will just give EVE the finger instead, and that's the group with the largest number of SM2 machines.
There's still low-end SM2 boxens being sold with vista premium right now, and a huge installed base. Do your reasearch very, very carefully when it comes to what those people will be doing, because they're not going to go "oh heay, eve wont run anymore, ill just drop hundreds of dollars on a new machine i dont need". |
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