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Von Druid
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:10:00 -
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I guess the Winter 2009 change is related to Ambulation... all the advanced lighting is pretty much impossible to implement on SM2.0.
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Cyb3r D3ath
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:11:00 -
[182]
9800GT wit directX 10, Shader Model 4.0.. no prob here. :)
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:13:00 -
[183]
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please don't! I can't resist these ugly coarse-skin looking ships with spanking idle animation! If you going to deny us from classic client, give us ability to turn off the nasty dock animation in "premium" at least! And do something to Amarr ships to make them as shiny in "Premium" as they are in Classic. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:15:00 -
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posting from my acer aspire one, while lying in bed and just before i quickly change a skill over.
am i going to be able to skillchange with my netbook once you do this, or are you considering allowing us to change skills via api if not? |
Lar'san
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:16:00 -
[185]
CCP ---- Go for it
Upgrade , Upgrade , Upgrade I say
Over the years, I've had to buy 2 new computers because of Eve Online. I'm happy to do so, even though money is tight. It's not hard to get sub-$400.00 computers to run multiple accounts... all the while on a dial up connection.
I'm passing out mops for those that wish to collect those salty tears of others. There's simply too much for me to enjoy alone.
Adapt or Die
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Xessej
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:17:00 -
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My home box is no problem. However my work machine, which I log in to change skills during the work day, has no graphics card and uses an intel GMA 3100 GPU which is shadermodel 2.0. So without a skill queue I would be losing a lot of training time simply because I can't run evemon and log in and set new skills which is a big enough deal to make me consider spending my money elsewhere. Either support shadermodel 2.0 or give us a skill queue.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
No, but I hear laptops aren't designed to upgrade. I figured you probably knew that when you bought it.
Which is exactly why I spent a lot of money buying (at the time) the top of the range laptop which easily surpassed the minimum requirement of Eve (in fact, it was better than my desktop machine at the time). What annoys me is that CCP are removing my ability to use it for the reason I bought it simply to make things easier for themselves. I don't really accept that the removal of SM1 support for their 3D database front-end is anything to do with improving Eve, rather than just reducing workload. Removing Classic does nothing to make Eve better. |
Borgholio
Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark It's good to see that people are giving constructive feedback. The biggest concerns appear to be with the SM3 change, especially in regards to laptops.
Please keep commenting, we're reading this thread and gathering info and data to see what concerns you have. The only way for us to make and revise plans about these sorts of things is by having an open and honest discussion with the players and that seems to be working fine :-)
Yes that's the general consensus that I see here. Most people have no issues dropping SM 1, since those cards are ancient anyways. SM 2, however, is still quite common and should be kept for at least a few more years. |
Rosa Gladius
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:23:00 -
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Who cares if your computer can run the game if the game is still run by those that cheat. Need names and corps to add transparency to the CCP/ Player exploit scandals |
Random Incarnate
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: James Lyrus
I don't really accept that the removal of SM1 support for their 3D database front-end is anything to do with improving Eve, rather than just reducing workload. Removing Classic does nothing to make Eve better.
Removing Classic reduces time spent creating new art assets, etc for Classic, so that time can then be dedicated to Premium. I see their logic here, but it sucks if you're running SM1, and might suck if you're running SM2. |
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Els Sim
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:25:00 -
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Well, i had already wanted to upgrade to premium in time for my shiny t2 ships :D
my only question with this is , when will you decide about the second, Winter expansion, min req raisings?
i have shading 2 so im fine for now, but for example:
someone else buys a brand new card for spring expo(say a shading 2 one for the sake of this example), then u go and raise reqs a second time(in winter), then they need another new card, 2 in the same year?
it would be nice if you can decide on whether or not u are doing the second min req raising by the time the first one is inacted, so ppl can plan ahead and not buy a new gfx card every expansion :D |
Koyama Ise
Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Koyama Ise on 13/01/2009 23:26:18 Edited by: Koyama Ise on 13/01/2009 23:25:53 I would like to ask a few questions about these changes. Us the "Premium Lite" Client a separate client or is it just a bunch of settings you'll now have access to? If it's a mere bunch of settings could there be some way to opt out of downloading larger client files ex high quality textures for people who don't need them and run on Fraudband with small download limits? Will we get more advanced graphics options rather than just premium/lite allowing the game to more scalable? Finally with the fact that Shader Model 4 runs only on Vista at the present time and is not likely to change until Windows 7 is released, with amount of haters of Vista is it really necessary to out phase Shader Model 3?
And for all the people throwing in the quitting of EVE due to increased graphics requirements, the reason they are doing this as they said is because it makes it easier to fix issues because you're not coding your program to be compatible with an extremely large amounts of hardware. That and the hardware required to run lite would be less than my old PC which I got 6 years ago and the only upgrade it's had is an MX440 to a 6600GT.
Also gotta love my HD3850 |
clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:26:00 -
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Make DX10 a requirement, I dare you
SM2 emulation on Intel 9xx (with enough cpu welly)
Linkage
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Caleb Kadesh
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:28:00 -
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I would like too add my encouragement to keep SM 2.0 support. Many of the laptops that I work on are running Intel 950's (SM 2.0 capable) including my own.
I only use my laptop to change skills and check evemail. Is it possible to do this out of game in the future? |
Rebnok
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:29:00 -
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the changes wont be a problem for my desktop. I just upgraded to 2x 9800 running sli and I learned the hard way. I not only had to buy the gfx cards but also had to buy a bigger power supply. THe 800$ pc that u get from retail store comes with 250-300- watt PS's. That wont run a good grafix card. I had to install a 950w ps.intel quadcore 6600, vista 64 with 8g ram. But will my 6 month old laptop i bought just for cyno alts work after dec. If i remeber it has a onboard 700 gfx card, it will run premium now if that helps? |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Random Incarnate
Removing Classic reduces time spent creating new art assets, etc for Classic, so that time can then be dedicated to Premium. I see their logic here, but it sucks if you're running SM1, and might suck if you're running SM2.
Thing is, it isn't like new art and assets are often added to classic, are they? People who run classic don't want the glitz, they want to be able to log in and play.
I just don't get what benefit there is for the subscriber. If they need more Devs to support classic then employ some. Probably better to spend the money you get to keep by not removing subscribers than to just throw it away. 5% of 250,000 people paying 15 bucks a month? Surely you can find someone who would keep classic running for that? |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:32:00 -
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My Vista laptop is capable of running Premium at the moment. My iMac is supposed to be able to run Premium, it's just not available for Mac/Linux users at the moment.
CCP should consider adding a "Send client technical details to CCP" feature into EVE.
CCP should consider adding a "Chat" client that allows logging in, chatting, skill changing, buy/sell order manipulation, without the graphics overhead.
In fact, CCP could split EVE entirely into two pieces - one handling the communications and market manipulation ("Chat client"), the other just being the ship simulator with the HUD, overview, target selection, weapons management ("Flight client"). This would cater to multi-screen users. Allowing the Chat client to log in from a separate computer to the Flight client would cater to multi-computer users too.
Those of us who have underpowered laptops/netbooks would then get to do the stuff we currently use the portable computer for, with the advantage that battery life is extended due to not rendering useless graphics.
Perhaps the Chat client could then be implemented using a published API for chat, market manipulation and route setting, allowing the Chribbas or the world to write their own UI specific to their window manager of choice.
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Elisa Day
Shade. Penumbra Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru [...]that have no plan to upgrade an SM2.0 machine because they do everything that's necessary
Obviously an assumption based on false premises. |
Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:36:00 -
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For the love of god- If you don't have a video card that can run shader 2.0 you don't deserve to even operate a computer. Seriously, my mother's built in graphics card on her micro home pc can use shader 2.0. Go to a used electronics store and BUY something. Go spend $10 on ebay and GET one. While your at it, spend another $20 on a gig of memory, and maybe another $50 on a SLI enabled motherboard.
Seriously, for like $100(that's maybe a week of work at minimum wage for a temporary second job, go apply at your local movie theater) you can get an SLI ENABLED GRAPHICS CARD/MOTHERBOARD AND A NEW GIG OF MEMORY. If you can't afford that, you've got other problems than maintaining your sub, and that extra $15 would be better spent on FOOD.
All this said- I expect CCP to let you change skills by API since they promised, and it would be nice for those who only have crappy Amiga's to go change skills. |
Cierejai
Caldari BlackSite Prophecy
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:38:00 -
[200]
My laptop has better specs then my computer but runs premium slowerer.
wat
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pk blinder
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:40:00 -
[201]
Well, I have a one year old Compaq running an nvidia GeForce 7500 LE and 2 Premium Clients = eve running like a dog regardless of graphics settings. Hell even one client can't run smoothly.
So I play in Classic mode all the time and do you know, I couldn't care less about more spiffeh graphics, shading and such cr@p. CCP - you need to approach this from your standard users perspective. Game play is all important and should not be threatened by trying to make the graphics 10% better. The trade offs just aren't worth it. Get out of your ivory tower, visit some of your customers and see what really matters to them.
Hell, what am I saying. I'm always zoomed out to max, brackets and sound turned off and praying the server will hold the latest 800 man fleet fight anyway. PK
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Chao Phyra
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:40:00 -
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Old Laptop with Sm1.4, 3 accounts, and chars in the 40-70mil SP range. So I'm toast come March - thanks for nothing. [guess I'll never get to see that GI-2 implant fixed]
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The BringerofOrder
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:40:00 -
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Well I for one am pleasantly surprised/happy that they are moving on from the ôClassicö and onto something that should streamline development abit.
BUT, and there is always a but isnÆt there!
With all this changing to engine of old, hows about some updates/changes that have been screamed for, for years now! So my questions are as follows.
A) Will any new features be added to ôPremiumö? Such as Anti-Aliasing or proper dual/triple screen support? B) Will this affect larger fights at all? For the good or the bad? For the good I would think but someone might know more than me on this subject.
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Zaknussem
Caldari Intrum Industria
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:45:00 -
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Sounds to me like the "Ambulation" part of the Winter 2009 expansion will be players "ambulating" to the nearest computer store to upgrade their machines...
Bad jokes aside, I'm all for SM 1.0 being dumped. I think it's good that you announced it 2 months in advance so the few people that need to adapt have the time to do so.
But it sounds like you'll have to be more tactful when dumping SM 2.0, even when you announce it 10+ months in advance. Seems that people are still attached to the ol' gal, even though it's time she was dragged round the back of the shed and shot. Suddenly "adapt or die" and/or "cold, harsh, unforgiving universe" don't mean anything to a lot of people.
Oh well. *shrugs*
But work on a way to keep the Disco Prowler, please? |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Avon I just don't get what benefit there is for the subscriber.
Most likely new features won't work on old shader models (system wide asteroid belts, ambulation and so on).
See it from the bright side though, you have a full year to save up for a new laptop, and tbh by that time your current one will be pretty old. My now over a year old laptop (XPS1330) has no problem what so ever to play the Premium client.
Considering content/asset creation is close to 95% of the total development budget for modern games I really doubt you can hire enough people to cover the classic client need for that 5% of the income.
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Ab Tallen
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:50:00 -
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One of the appeals of EVE has always been that it runs on relatively modest hardware, compared to most modern PC games (and still looks good).
When I started playing in 2006, I used my girlfriend's P3/600 with an Geforce DDR card and a whopping 256MB RAM - didn't work well, but it was possible.
(Somehow I couldn't get it to start up in the PC/XT emulator with DOS 3.3 on the Atari ST though...)
That said, I'd assume that notebooks with GMA 9xx graphics are still quite common right now - probably even more than half a year ago, as it's part of the standard Netbook platform. So phasing out SM2.0 support too soon might not be a good idea.
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Sir Cuddles
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:51:00 -
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Quote: One of EVE's unique features (along with being an awesome game on a single server) is that it can run on pretty much any computer built after 1998.
Apparently Apple G4s don't count as computers.
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Pivalak
Ultriach Criesther Evirementari
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: farfrael How about Linux? Are you planning to continue supporting this OS?
My thoughts exactly.
I was looking forward to the release of an official Premium client for Linux, at last, but given the silence CCP is maintaining on that subject, I'm beginning to fear they may have decided to discontinue it. Please prove me wrong! :)
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Xol'tan
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:53:00 -
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If someones to lazy to upgrade its one thing but is some one is to poor to upgrade the cash there wasting on eve would be better spent on food and rent.
imo they are doing this so they dont have to make extra models and textures for poor and lazy ppl in comming expantions.
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Kumi Unn
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Posted - 2009.01.13 23:54:00 -
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ATI Radeon 3100 1918MB of memory
Can I run EVE?!
*I'm on a laptop we just bought.. I won't be able to get a new one till I graduate.. :'(
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