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OldMan Gana
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.17 13:57:00 -
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Quite an interesting read.
Link " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
622
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Posted - 2012.04.17 16:02:00 -
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OldMan Gana wrote:Quite an interesting read. Link
Well i guess the government will get to see all of that important stuff that you keep on your Xbox. Whatever will we do?
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.17 16:50:00 -
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It is a sad day when you can't even hide your hard-earned achievements and trophies from the cops. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Alexis Fawn Molari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.17 17:38:00 -
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I wonder how they deal with bad guys who actually know how to use a VPN. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.17 17:44:00 -
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Alexis Fawn Molari wrote:I wonder how they deal with bad guys who actually know how to use a VPN.
I got a feeling the NSA has no problem seeing right through whatever security measures we regular citizens have available to us today.
And if they don't, they will very very soon.
As for how the cops would deal with someone in that situation?
Probably the same way they deal with anything where they can't find probable cause... make something up, plant something on you after they illegally bust in your house, purger themselves in front of a judge and lock you away for "he said / cop said" |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:10:00 -
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Damn it, thought for sure Herzogg would be first post in this thread with something about losing rights and new world orders. Just lost 30 mil.... |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:11:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Damn it, thought for sure Herzogg would be first post in this thread with something about losing rights and new world orders. Just lost 30 mil....
Give him time to find the thread.... |
Culmen
Culmenation
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:16:00 -
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I'd be OK with this if they had to get a Warrant before breaking out the spyware. Odds of that actually happening... about zilch.
Still, Anyone watch 4 Lions? Chat is still chat whether its over the phone, over email or over Puffin Palace.
There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.04.18 13:50:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:I got a feeling the NSA has no problem seeing right through whatever security measures we regular citizens have available to us today. Unless they've got hardware I've never heard of, the NSA would have to devote quite a lot of processing power to properly encrypted information. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
OldMan Gana
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:54:00 -
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I just wonder where all this starts and ends. Maybe they've been doing this stuff for years all along? Anyway who knows, I for one, have nothing to hide, so I don't really care who looks at anything I do or say online or otherwise. " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.04.18 22:17:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:Damn it, thought for sure Herzogg would be first post in this thread with something about losing rights and new world orders. Just lost 30 mil.... Give him time to find the thread....
I was into two Rum and colas last night that were so strong my body said "don't drink that third one or you will be sorry" so I left it in the refrigerator and my GF came home an hour later and drank it and because of that I got laid.
So what was this thread about?
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Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.04.18 23:23:00 -
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Finally I can post again! You made it to post #10 which was the other half of the bet, BUT, you didn't talk about the subject which means neither of us win \/
Edit: nm you were post 11 which makes it even better. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.18 23:42:00 -
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From reading your comments do I have to say that you are all not more than tools to your governments.
Imagine for a moment that you would be working for your government. If you had the chance to play on a console all day long would you not release one hell of a BS press release to make it look like work? |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
162
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Posted - 2012.04.19 03:33:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:I got a feeling the NSA has no problem seeing right through whatever security measures we regular citizens have available to us today. Unless they've got hardware I've never heard of, the NSA would have to devote quite a lot of processing power to properly encrypted information.
Up to speed on the Utah site they are working on? It's the last piece to their dream network.
I'm more than aware of the simple numbers behind cracking encryption. However, given intelligent enough software and the hardware to back it... well, that's what we do, don't we? When someone says something is impossible, we make a business of proving them right or wrong. And when it comes to security, someone always gets proven wrong eventually.
I don't doubt it has it's limits. But I do doubt that even the best security measures of today (RSA, encrypted tunnels, encrypted drives) will hold up given the resources they dedicate to figuring them out and defeating them.
No code is uncrackable. All you can do is make something good enough to buy you time until you have to make the next best thing.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
845
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Posted - 2012.04.19 13:24:00 -
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OldMan Gana wrote:I just wonder where all this starts and ends. Maybe they've been doing this stuff for years all along? Anyway who knows, I for one, have nothing to hide, so I don't really care who looks at anything I do or say online or otherwise.
Everyone has something to hide.
Not neccessarily illegal or immoral stuff, but private stuff nonetheless.
Once someone official has access to your private information, it is no longer private because government databases are notoriously insecure. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1405
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:59:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:I got a feeling the NSA has no problem seeing right through whatever security measures we regular citizens have available to us today. Unless they've got hardware I've never heard of, the NSA would have to devote quite a lot of processing power to properly encrypted information. Up to speed on the Utah site they are working on? It's the last piece to their dream network. I'm more than aware of the simple numbers behind cracking encryption. However, given intelligent enough software and the hardware to back it... well, that's what we do, don't we? When someone says something is impossible, we make a business of proving them right or wrong. And when it comes to security, someone always gets proven wrong eventually. I don't doubt it has it's limits. But I do doubt that even the best security measures of today (RSA, encrypted tunnels, encrypted drives) will hold up given the resources they dedicate to figuring them out and defeating them. No code is uncrackable. All you can do is make something good enough to buy you time until you have to make the next best thing.
It's a time and money thing.
For example, if I use simple encryption on something that has information which is only good for say, one hour, and it will take some free software from the internet a day to crack it, I still "win" (whatever the reasons).
If you have information that is to be forever protected, like where Jimmy Hoffa is buried, you would want to use the best encryption that cannot be cracked (One Time Pad comes to mind).
It takes more computing power to crack encryption in shorter time. This is the real cost and the real power. I think it's measured in "super computer time" or something like that and not based on actual chronological time.
It looks like they want to crack stuff in very short time. That would be needed to defeat tactics, not strategies. You need a very large bank of fast processors to do that.
But if the gov really wants to spend a lot of money cracking what gamers have to say, let them. They will go (even more) bankrupt faster and then there will be no more gov, or at least one that cannot afford so much of the other things they need to maintain the control grids.
Encryption is so freaking easy to deploy that if everybody started to at least use AES (you can do it in Javascript even) the security state will collapse under the workload. Even now they collected so much non-encrypted data they lack the resources to go through it all. Most of it is prediction software that has the luxury of time - if everything was encrypted, the progress of that project slows down considerably.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:53:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: But if the gov really wants to spend a lot of money cracking what gamers have to say, let them. They will go (even more) bankrupt faster and then there will be no more gov, or at least one that cannot afford so much of the other things they need to maintain the control grids.
I agree completely, with the exception of the above.
One could say the same thing about our defense spending... some have for years.... but yet they are doing it and it hasn't yet broken our backs.
Remember, while currency is real and economics are real, they are based on a flawed premise that requires both blind faith and group acceptance. Money is a phenomenon we created. As long as this country stands as the sole superpower it is and the people are fat and (relatively) happy.... they can divert absolutely insane amounts of resources to whatever ends they wish. This is why some would say that deficits for nations like ours simply don't matter. (it's hardly that simple, but there is some truth in it)
That is why I have no doubt they can do what we who are at the least proficient in technology (some experts) consider the impossible.
And I guarantee you, if they do accomplish the impossible we will likely find out about it 5-10 years later while they've moved on to tackling the next "impossible" thing.
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2bhammered
Altruism. Brosefs.
79
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Posted - 2012.04.20 07:16:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Alexis Fawn Molari wrote:I wonder how they deal with bad guys who actually know how to use a VPN. I got a feeling the NSA has no problem seeing right through whatever security measures we regular citizens have available to us today. And if they don't, they will very very soon. As for how the cops would deal with someone in that situation? Probably the same way they deal with anything where they can't find probable cause... make something up, plant something on you after they illegally bust in your house, purger themselves in front of a judge and lock you away for "he said / cop said"
They don't, there are multiple ways and measures available to people who want to be perfectly anonymous to the internet. Problem is there is no point to go to the most extremes because NSA does not hunt "pirates" and those they do hunt have no need for it except perhaps other nations security agencies like China's etc. But they are obviously anon in the sense they have the protection of the state guarding their identity. Some states offer that same protection for their citizens, as long as they are white of course. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:04:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
One could say the same thing about our defense spending... some have for years.... but yet they are doing it and it hasn't yet broken our backs.
I was looking at a graph the other showing showing our tax dollars and it did shock me that our defense budget is 24.5% of our taxes, higher than education and Social Security (which will be gone by the time I retire). They strip VA benefits, carve out social security,cut funding in school, and get rid of the space program (which took less than 1% mind you), and yet we are still servicing bases from the cold war world wide. Some may argue with me that its because we field the best technology which gives us the edge but if you talk to any marine you quickly learn that we really don't. They show it to us on tv but the troops usually don't see it for years. In fact they usually have family ship them a better gun once they get to their location.
I don't know, maybe I'm not seeing something. Though it does bug the living hell out of me that we are over a trillion in debt and nobody seems to care. Personally, if I were running a company I would never make it near that number before I was shut down by somebody. And if I did make it to that number I can promise you heads would roll in the accounting section. My one question is why aren't they doing so now? To me a trillion in debt seems pretty broken. |
OldMan Gana
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:42:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
One could say the same thing about our defense spending... some have for years.... but yet they are doing it and it hasn't yet broken our backs.
I was looking at a graph the other showing showing our tax dollars and it did shock me that our defense budget is 24.5% of our taxes, higher than education and Social Security (which will be gone by the time I retire). They strip VA benefits, carve out social security,cut funding in school, and get rid of the space program (which took less than 1% mind you), and yet we are still servicing bases from the cold war world wide. Some may argue with me that its because we field the best technology which gives us the edge but if you talk to any marine you quickly learn that we really don't. They show it to us on tv but the troops usually don't see it for years. In fact they usually have family ship them a better gun once they get to their location. I don't know, maybe I'm not seeing something. Though it does bug the living hell out of me that we are over a trillion in debt and nobody seems to care. Personally, if I were running a company I would never make it near that number before I was shut down by somebody. And if I did make it to that number I can promise you heads would roll in the accounting section. My one question is why aren't they doing so now? To me a trillion in debt seems pretty broken.
Military/ Industrial complex needs to be fed, even at the expense of the every day citizen- that's why. " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |
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