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Cassi Watson
Farscape Creations
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:09:00 -
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The average BPO costs 10x the cost of the product it produces in a single run of manufacturing I have noticed. The results is you retain the ability to produce that item where ever you want and at 10% extra cost unless you research it, but doing so requires you to ether run your own POS or jam it into a research station for 3 months.
Is the value actually there? can a BPO be a source of income? or is it just the cost of doing business and there's no avoiding it?
Ive been using Copy's on contracts to produce goods for profit and am still coming out ontop even with the cost of the copy. I always figured the copy's I was buying where being sold for invention and not reproduction of the original item. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
1249
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:14:00 -
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Where do you think those contracts you're buying come from? Someone has to buy the BPO, research it, and copy it to make those.
But the answer to "are BPOs worth it" depends on you. If you take (BPO Cost + Research cost)/(ISK/run for BPCs), you get the number of units you have to produce to break even. It's just math. |
Cassi Watson
Farscape Creations
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:29:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Where do you think those contracts you're buying come from? Someone has to buy the BPO, research it, and copy it to make those.
But the answer to "are BPOs worth it" depends on you. If you take (BPO Cost + Research cost)/(ISK/run for BPCs), you get the number of units you have to produce to break even. It's just math.
That aspect has always been apparent to me but again jamming it in a station for 3 months to then wait a year to break even on it it? feels a bit of over kill, sure a research pos would speed things up but now you just tacked on fuel costs.
Are research stations out in low sec less populated? can I expect less then 18 days for my BPO to even hit the lab due to the insecurity in the region ?
Id like to expand my library but only if the investment will turn a profit rather then stand as a recoverable expense. |
Megos Adriano
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:32:00 -
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BPO's are totally worth it because they can be used indefinitely.
Take a Hurricane BPO. It costs 365 million. Putting it into a lab on a small POS for 30 or say days (ME: 10) will cost an additional 112 million ISK if you're just researching that one BPO. I prefer to be more dynamic; I research 9 BPOs at once, duplicates of smaller items (it's cheaper long-run to duplicate than to copy) and 1 or 2 larger items.
So that's a 477 million investment on a product with a 10 million ISK profit margin. It will take about 50 productions before you start earning profit (this is not factoring the cost of the POS tower or the mobile lab which will increase that to 65-70). But the good news is you can use that BPO forever and CCP isn't likely to remove Hurricanes from the game and Hurricanes are not likely to fall into disuse any time soon.
EVE is a long-term thinker's game. If you want immediate gratification.... Stoic Assembly Lines is seeking more storks for our herd! Pilots of all ages-áand professions welcome to-ábecome part of our family - we have opportunities for all! For more information, send me an EVE-Mail. |
Megos Adriano
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:35:00 -
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Cassi Watson wrote:That aspect has always been apparent to me but again jamming it in a station for 3 months to then wait a year to break even on it it?
In my Hurricane example, provided you have the minerals/capital to buy the minerals, you're only waiting about a week at most. Stoic Assembly Lines is seeking more storks for our herd! Pilots of all ages-áand professions welcome to-ábecome part of our family - we have opportunities for all! For more information, send me an EVE-Mail. |
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION
100
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:36:00 -
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First of all you should look what the % return per month is on the isk you currently have and work with. Lets call it X%. Now look at the return you get from using a BPO. It is the amount of ISK you save from not having to buy the copys plus the value of being able to do copys yourself in the time you dont need it for production. Lets call it Y% If X is bigger than Y you should keep doing with your isk what you do now. If Y is bigger than X then you should invest in the BPO. If ISK is not really a very limiting factor for you anymore i have to agree with other posters that you should go for the BPO, even if its slightly less profitable. You will not be so dependant on others and can do some planning ahead. |
Cassi Watson
Farscape Creations
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:38:00 -
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Megos Adriano wrote:BPO's are totally worth it because they can be used indefinitely.
Take a Hurricane BPO. It costs 365 million. Putting it into a lab on a small POS for 30 or say days (ME: 10) will cost an additional 112 million ISK if you're just researching that one BPO. I prefer to be more dynamic; I research 9 BPOs at once, duplicates of smaller items (it's cheaper long-run to duplicate than to copy) and 1 or 2 larger items.
So that's a 477 million investment on a product with a 10 million ISK profit margin. It will take about 50 productions before you start earning profit (this is not factoring the cost of the POS tower or the mobile lab which will increase that to 65-70). But the good news is you can use that BPO forever and CCP isn't likely to remove Hurricanes from the game and Hurricanes are not likely to fall into disuse any time soon.
EVE is a long-term thinker's game. If you want immediate gratification....
This is my new industrialist alt and I'm trying to get a footing on best practices since I spend most of my time in eve shooting things, now that the game is taking a turn I want to try my hands in the empire building side of the game rather then the empire destroying.
I see the long term advantages of BPO holdings but as I look over what I can make running copys the time it would take to reap the rewards is insane. I enjoy the example of AMMO, the cost of an ammo BPC from contracts comes down to some thing like 2% of the cost of the ammo that I was dealing with.
Bigger is better it feels like with BPOs on larger products yielding more profit per run. This tracts well with the fact that those BPO's cost more to bring up to a production grade. |
Cassi Watson
Farscape Creations
1
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:42:00 -
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Gatan Hahran wrote:First of all you should look what the % return per month is on the isk you currently have and work with. Lets call it X%. Now look at the return you get from using a BPO. It is the amount of ISK you save from not having to buy the copys plus the value of being able to do copys yourself in the time you dont need it for production. Lets call it Y% If X is bigger than Y you should keep doing with your isk what you do now. If Y is bigger than X then you should invest in the BPO. If ISK is not really a very limiting factor for you anymore i have to agree with other posters that you should go for the BPO, even if its slightly less profitable. You will not be so dependant on others and can do some planning ahead.
There is also the standing risk factor of having a tower floating out there. I know a majority of industrialists do there work in WHs simply because low sec towers get rolled all the time. If the money is there I have no issue paying people or even recruiting players to repair my tower. hell I bet noob corp pilots would take a mill an hour to repair pos mods lol.
Again this is why I ask these sort of simple questions because I'm willing to be there are other players wondering the same thing and would hate to invest millions into a project that will just go BOOM. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
614
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:45:00 -
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I have 53.5 billion ISK invested in T1 BPO. I'm still shopping for more.
I don't look at them as having to provide X percent of monthly return. Do note that they are fixed assets that can only increase in value (with added research); they don't drop below NPC sell price, so they retain at a minimum that value on resale.
Although I'll admit I'm a collector of BPO, I also like to be able to change what I'm building at any time to suit the market conditions.
However, I do earn a significant income from simply making copies, though it did take me a lot of BPO research to make that possible. Some copies I sell as-is (the well researched ones), others I invent with (don't require any research) and charge for as a part of the final products price. |
Megos Adriano
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:45:00 -
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Cassi Watson wrote:Megos Adriano wrote:BPO's are totally worth it because they can be used indefinitely.
Take a Hurricane BPO. It costs 365 million. Putting it into a lab on a small POS for 30 or say days (ME: 10) will cost an additional 112 million ISK if you're just researching that one BPO. I prefer to be more dynamic; I research 9 BPOs at once, duplicates of smaller items (it's cheaper long-run to duplicate than to copy) and 1 or 2 larger items.
So that's a 477 million investment on a product with a 10 million ISK profit margin. It will take about 50 productions before you start earning profit (this is not factoring the cost of the POS tower or the mobile lab which will increase that to 65-70). But the good news is you can use that BPO forever and CCP isn't likely to remove Hurricanes from the game and Hurricanes are not likely to fall into disuse any time soon.
EVE is a long-term thinker's game. If you want immediate gratification.... This is my new industrialist alt and I'm trying to get a footing on best practices since I spend most of my time in eve shooting things, now that the game is taking a turn I want to try my hands in the empire building side of the game rather then the empire destroying. I see the long term advantages of BPO holdings but as I look over what I can make running copys the time it would take to reap the rewards is insane. I enjoy the example of AMMO, the cost of an ammo BPC from contracts comes down to some thing like 2% of the cost of the ammo that I was dealing with. Bigger is better it feels like with BPOs on larger products yielding more profit per run. This tracts well with the fact that those BPO's cost more to bring up to a production grade.
Provided you have the capital and the ability to throw the BPO into a POS, a Hurricane will produce profit in less than 2 months.
Like I said: EVE is a long-thinkers game.
If you want more immediate profit you can always use BPCs.
The other advantage of a BPO is that you can always sell it later for 10% more than you invested into it. Stoic Assembly Lines is seeking more storks for our herd! Pilots of all ages-áand professions welcome to-ábecome part of our family - we have opportunities for all! For more information, send me an EVE-Mail. |
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Megos Adriano
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:48:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I have 53.5 billion ISK invested in T1 BPO. I'm still shopping for more.
I don't look at them as having to provide X percent of monthly return. Do note that they are fixed assets that can only increase in value (with added research); they don't drop below NPC sell price, so they retain at a minimum that value on resale.
Although I'll admit I'm a collector of BPO, I also like to be able to change what I'm building at any time to suit the market conditions.
However, I do earn a significant income from simply making copies, though it did take me a lot of BPO research to make that possible. Some copies I sell as-is (the well researched ones), others I invent with (don't require any research).
Hello,
I've been interested in copying some BPO's for my corp. Where do you look to see how long it takes to make a copy? Stoic Assembly Lines is seeking more storks for our herd! Pilots of all ages-áand professions welcome to-ábecome part of our family - we have opportunities for all! For more information, send me an EVE-Mail. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
614
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Posted - 2012.04.17 18:52:00 -
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Megos Adriano wrote:I've been interested in copying some BPO's for my corp. Where do you look to see how long it takes to make a copy? * Research quote is the best place, as it includes all skills and bonuses. * On the first "Attributes" tab of BPO info (scroll down). The time to make a since copy as well as max copies is shown. You have to factor in |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
85
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:44:00 -
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Cassi Watson wrote:The average BPO costs 10x the cost of the product it produces in a single run of manufacturing I have noticed. The results is you retain the ability to produce that item where ever you want and at 10% extra cost unless you research it, but doing so requires you to ether run your own POS or jam it into a research station for 3 months.
Is the value actually there? can a BPO be a source of income? or is it just the cost of doing business and there's no avoiding it?
Ive been using Copy's on contracts to produce goods for profit and am still coming out ontop even with the cost of the copy. I always figured the copy's I was buying where being sold for invention and not reproduction of the original item.
For maximum return on a BPO you can buy it, research it to good ME/PE levels and start copying it.
Keep a couple copies for your own production needs and just keep it in the cooker making copies you sell and use for production. You basically get your production copys at a huge discount, make more isk off the copies you sell, and when you are done you can always sell the researched BPO for more than you have into it as it is already researched.
A small POS does not cost much to run and can make a massive amount of isk just by keeping a few labs running non stop. A small POS can run 3 labs, lab research alts do not need much training, you can keep buying BPO's researching them and selling them, keep the best ones to crank out copies to sell, and have what ever research facilities you need available when ever you need them for personal use.
3 toons making PI POS fuel components can make enough PI products to not only supply the needed fuel for the fuel blocks but produce enough extra to sell for isk to buy the ice products needed to make the fuel yourself. basically covering you fuel costs with minimal effort. If you work out a good set up you can make way more isk fueling a small POS for research than selling off all the PI rather than using it for fuel. Even buying fuel from the market if you hate PI your research profits can still be huge. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
85
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Posted - 2012.04.17 20:53:00 -
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Cassi Watson wrote:Gatan Hahran wrote:First of all you should look what the % return per month is on the isk you currently have and work with. Lets call it X%. Now look at the return you get from using a BPO. It is the amount of ISK you save from not having to buy the copys plus the value of being able to do copys yourself in the time you dont need it for production. Lets call it Y% If X is bigger than Y you should keep doing with your isk what you do now. If Y is bigger than X then you should invest in the BPO. If ISK is not really a very limiting factor for you anymore i have to agree with other posters that you should go for the BPO, even if its slightly less profitable. You will not be so dependant on others and can do some planning ahead. There is also the standing risk factor of having a tower floating out there. I know a majority of industrialists do there work in WHs simply because low sec towers get rolled all the time. If the money is there I have no issue paying people or even recruiting players to repair my tower. hell I bet noob corp pilots would take a mill an hour to repair pos mods lol. Again this is why I ask these sort of simple questions because I'm willing to be there are other players wondering the same thing and would hate to invest millions into a project that will just go BOOM. most research POSes are in high sec. It does not take that long to build up faction standings with the right social skills trained, or you can buy a corp with high enough faction to place towers for about 150 mil. |
Cassi Watson
Farscape Creations
1
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:43:00 -
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Good information, thank you. Last thing is a high sec pos safe? or will I be geting wardeced left and right? |
Serenity Locklaire
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:09:00 -
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I Think this question was answered above but I'm not sure it was clear so I'll answer it again.
While there is nothing wrong with buying a BPO from a NPC sell order and researching it yourself I prefer to skip that step. I look thru contracts or on the "want to buy" section of this forum for BPO's that someone else researched and buy that
Example: six months ago I purchased a rupture BPO researched to ME:30 / PE:10 I bought this for 70 million
I run off about 45 ruptures a week and sell those for profit
I copy BPC's about twice a month at NPC stations when I find a short waiting list and sell those for about 90% profit
Now some people talk about how many ships or copies they have to sell for "break even" on my 70 million ISK BPO. The answer is: ZERO
see that BPO is an asset. When I get tired of making ruptures I'm going sell that BPO for just about what I paid for it (most likely). So it really did not cost me anything, I don't have to "break even". As long as you have the liquid ISK a BPO, is a no-brainer.
As for your own POS, that adds real costs to deal with. I would suggest (and did) joining a mining/Indy corp and using theirs. That won't cost much more than BS-ing during a weekly mining op.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
615
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Posted - 2012.04.17 22:35:00 -
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Cassi Watson wrote:Good information, thank you. Last thing is a high sec pos safe? or will I be geting wardeced left and right? You may get wardec'd left and right regardless, but rarely does a hisec POS get attacked, especially not a large and well defended one
People don't usually reinforce a control tower for fun, though they will take the odd shot at one to try to draw a response
A well defended large POS with gunners can make a mess of a sizeable attacking battleship fleet in hisec. Anyone serious enough to attack one will likely succeed, as they either don't expect any defense and will not attack if there is one, or have the numbers, determination, and financial backing, to get the job done regardless of the odds against them |
Cassi Watson
Farscape Creations
1
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Posted - 2012.04.18 03:02:00 -
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Serenity Locklaire wrote:I Think this question was answered above but I'm not sure it was clear so I'll answer it again.
While there is nothing wrong with buying a BPO from a NPC sell order and researching it yourself I prefer to skip that step. I look thru contracts or on the "want to buy" section of this forum for BPO's that someone else researched and buy that
Example: six months ago I purchased a rupture BPO researched to ME:30 / PE:10 I bought this for 70 million
I run off about 45 ruptures a week and sell those for profit
I copy BPC's about twice a month at NPC stations when I find a short waiting list and sell those for about 90% profit
Now some people talk about how many ships or copies they have to sell for "break even" on my 70 million ISK BPO. The answer is: ZERO
see that BPO is an asset. When I get tired of making ruptures I'm going sell that BPO for just about what I paid for it (most likely). So it really did not cost me anything, I don't have to "break even". As long as you have the liquid ISK a BPO, is a no-brainer.
As for your own POS, that adds real costs to deal with. I would suggest (and did) joining a mining/Indy corp and using theirs. That won't cost much more than BS-ing during a weekly mining op.
I think I may have 3 of those copies lol..... Yea I figure if the pos is at least a medium I can arm it well enough to push away a decent fleet.
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Styth spiting
Ion Corp. Citex Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.04.18 05:26:00 -
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Cassi Watson wrote:The average BPO costs 10x the cost of the product it produces in a single run of manufacturing I have noticed. Cost of the BPO vs product is unrelated to the product and varies based on the item. Best not to think about it (not really relevant).
Cassi Watson wrote: The results is you retain the ability to produce that item where ever you want and at 10% extra cost unless you research it, but doing so requires you to ether run your own POS or jam it into a research station for 3 months.
Every product you manufacture and sell at a profit can be deducted from the cost of the BPO. Sooner or later the BPO will pay for its self. There is no 10% extra cost when using a BPO (there IS with BPC's though) since there is always a market for premium BPO's (BPO's that ave been researched). Don't bother including the price of the BPO in the cost of the item because you can SELL the BPO later on (making your isk back plus a profit).
Cassi Watson wrote: Is the value actually there? can a BPO be a source of income? or is it just the cost of doing business and there's no avoiding it?
T1 PBC's are for suckers.
BPO's are always a great source of income. They generally never drop in value, researching them increases there value, and generally if you never plan on using the BPO again you can always sell it (with a great profit depending on the ME/PE). The key point I'm trying to make here is using BPC's is a 1 time use where as the BPO is an unlimited use PLUS you can always resell the BPO.
Let me show you what other people are currently doing (since you are buying BPC's). Using a Cyclone as an example: BPC single run 300,000 isk. BPO: 202,000,000 isk
- Buy the BPO.
- Spend 30 - 45 days researching it to a descent ME/PE.
- Spend 10 days making some ships (4 hours manufacturing time would make 60 ships).
- Spend 10 days making single run BPC's (10 hours each will make 24 BPC's).
- Sell the BPC's at 300,000 isk each (7,200,000 profit).
Isk made from not buying BPC's: 25,200,000 isk Isk selling BPC's : 7,200,000 And chances are you could sell the BPO with the ME/PE research for roughly at 25m isk profit. So overall you just made 57m isk over buying BPC's.
Also with just a few days of skill training you can research 9 BPO's at a time, which you should always have filled doing some type of research (anything you research can be sold at great profit).
Oh and one last thing I couldn't fit anywhere else. BPO's are pretty much a requirement for doing any type of T2 manufacturing (T2 BPC needs a T1 version of the ship), trying to do T2 manufacturing without a BPO is a waste.
Cassi Watson wrote: Ive been using Copy's on contracts to produce goods for profit and am still coming out ontop even with the cost of the copy. I always figured the copy's I was buying where being sold for invention and not reproduction of the original item.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
54
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Posted - 2012.04.18 09:10:00 -
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Styth spiting wrote:
Isk made from not buying BPC's: 25,200,000 is Isk selling BPC's : 7,200,00 And chances are you could sell the BPO with the ME/PE research for roughly at 25m isk profit. So overall you just made 57m isk over buying BPC's.
You forgot to calculate opportunity cost. The opportunity cost of having tieing up 350mil in BPO value and 60 research days that would otherwise be available for production. This is particularly important for people who do not have abundant capital, and who won't really be using the production line if the capital is tied up in the BPO.
I build 20-30 bc's per BPO per week - which is typical of someone who does not obsess about perfect ROI, and just plays when they can play, and updates orders when they can (ie I don't like to try sell 65 of 1 BC type in a week). I would therefore expect to build some 160-190 BCs with the capital and time you would have tied away in the BPO, and I would expect to show some 400-600mil profit for that time period - ie 150-200% net gain in position.
If I chose to buy and research the BPO and tie my capital up in the BPO, then my net position gain after 2 months is more like 30% (improvement in value over NPC for a me25 bc BPO). If I wanted to start production, I still also have a significant hump to go fetch another 200-300mil in working capital too, to make use of it when it comes out of the cooker.
Further observations :
(a) mineral acquisition is time consuming - ie manufacturing is work.
(b) there are thousands of originals of every BPO including battleships out there. When the talos was released, 500 or so were sold by npc order the first day in sinq laison alone.
(c) many BPO holders prefer to sell BPCs because its less work and no acquisition - its just fuel, queue and sell only, and therefore can be dealt with very infrequently. This preference means that the scale is currently tipped towards the BPC buyer in terms of ROI, ie your ROI on the working capital used to build stuff will earn far more than the capital the BPO owner has tied up in the BPO, because there are too many holders who can't be bothered with mineral acquisition.
Having said all that, I own BPOs for everything I build (as I like to collect them), I am just doubtful for any startup player that they are a good use of capital compared to the opportunity cost of using the capital as working capital.
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Xuixien
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:02:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Cassi Watson wrote:Gatan Hahran wrote:First of all you should look what the % return per month is on the isk you currently have and work with. Lets call it X%. Now look at the return you get from using a BPO. It is the amount of ISK you save from not having to buy the copys plus the value of being able to do copys yourself in the time you dont need it for production. Lets call it Y% If X is bigger than Y you should keep doing with your isk what you do now. If Y is bigger than X then you should invest in the BPO. If ISK is not really a very limiting factor for you anymore i have to agree with other posters that you should go for the BPO, even if its slightly less profitable. You will not be so dependant on others and can do some planning ahead. There is also the standing risk factor of having a tower floating out there. I know a majority of industrialists do there work in WHs simply because low sec towers get rolled all the time. If the money is there I have no issue paying people or even recruiting players to repair my tower. hell I bet noob corp pilots would take a mill an hour to repair pos mods lol. Again this is why I ask these sort of simple questions because I'm willing to be there are other players wondering the same thing and would hate to invest millions into a project that will just go BOOM. most research POSes are in high sec. It does not take that long to build up faction standings with the right social skills trained, or you can buy a corp with high enough faction to place towers for about 150 mil.
Social skills do not factor into anchoring a Hi-Sec POS. Stoic Assembly Lines is a herd of rabid storks looking for new and experienced players. We mine, build things, and shoot people. We are growing fast and preparing to open low-sec operations. PvP capable Indy/mission pilots inquire within. http://sto1c.blogspot.com/p/home.html |
Mike Ant
Ninja's in the Night
1
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Posted - 2012.04.19 17:12:00 -
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Cassi Watson wrote:
That aspect has always been apparent to me but again jamming it in a station for 3 months to then wait a year to break even on it it? feels a bit of over kill, sure a research pos would speed things up but now you just tacked on fuel costs.
Are research stations out in low sec less populated? can I expect less then 18 days for my BPO to even hit the lab due to the insecurity in the region ?
Id like to expand my library but only if the investment will turn a profit rather then stand as a recoverable expense.
To be honest if your serious about mining/manufacturing then it would be worth it to set up a high sec POS in a system and do your own research. Yes you have to pay for fuel but you dont have to wait 3 months for a cruiser bpo to research and you get a 25% reduction in research time out of the mobile labratories. |
Kalea Hashur
Promethium Corp. Army of Dark Shadows
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 20:58:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Social skills do not factor into anchoring a Hi-Sec POS.
Please explain, without having to pay someone to anchor it for you.
Otherwise, Diplomacy at the least is very helpful for a boost in standings.
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Oni Xaven
Cubed Void Research
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:22:00 -
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The boost from diplomacy doesn't count towards the standing needed to anchor a POS. Its raw standing before skills only |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
362
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Posted - 2012.04.19 23:40:00 -
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The only standings which count, to anchor a POS, is the /corp/ standing.
As skills don't change what you contribute to the corp standings, it's your raw standings.
Also, this means that the average raw faction standing, though the corp (excluding those with no standing) has to beat the security rating * 10. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
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