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Yolo
Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb
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Posted - 2009.01.18 11:41:00 -
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back in 2003, I could understand having the 1 hour DT every day. even in 2005, I could understand this.
Now we are in the year 2009.
And yet still the Downtime is still in the middle of the f***g day for me, ever damn day. Basicly being in the middle of the day. Say I can play on weekends and free week days. 52 weekends, 7 national holidays, 25 vacation days. thats 134 days a year. multiplied by 5 years. 670
670 hours game time. (thats not counting the fact that I was unemployed for almsot two years during this period which would increase this number to over 1000 hours)
So basicly. this means (counting 4 hours as a good days of Eve gaming) I'v 'lost' 167,5 days of gaming simply because I'm in a timezone near Island.
There are those that have it even worse (who get DT every evening ... )
CCP - You now have offices in Europe, Asia and the US. cant you just cycle the downtime once a week or something?
this week Europe does the what ever you do when the servers is down. Next week Asia does it Then The US.
Rinse Repeate.
not to hard is it?
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.01.18 12:15:00 -
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Servers are in London. People that do the server maintenance live in London/Reykjavik. CCP does downtime when the people doing the work are at their highest level of attention.
They will not change their working schedule just because some people are inconvenienced by the time the downtime is scheduled. Downtime is at a fixed time, allowing you to plan your schedule around it if you feel it is so inconvenient.
Fix the issue yourself instead of demanding a fix for you, which will cause issues for other people, living in other timezones/having a different daily schedule. |
Yolo
Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb
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Posted - 2009.01.18 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar Fix the issue yourself instead of demanding a fix for you, which will cause issues for other people, living in other timezones/having a different daily schedule.
it its current timing the DT is a advantag/disadvantag to people in different timezones. The only thing I could possible do to 'fix' this issue, would be to move to another timezone.
and honestly, I dont know what rich b**h gave birth to you. But moving to another continent for most people is a issue that simply cannot be solved.
Atleast not over something such as a video game. |
Lork Niffle
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.18 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lork Niffle on 18/01/2009 13:17:37 I think what he was saying is to put your schedule around the 11-12-1 time. do som e howwork DIY etc for the 2 hours that DT could be on. Not specifically move.
When would you like the downtime. 6am? Midnight? These times will affect american players with this same problem. I am in the UK am it is annoying to have this midday DT but it IS only 1 hour (usually) just live and adapt i say (like in teh rest of teh game)
An how could you cycle the downtime with each office. Have you not blindly noticed we are on ONE server cluster and they all have to be taken down ------------------------------------- Read my bio ingame for tips on how to live and not be called nasty names by me. |
Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.19 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Yolo back in 2003, I could understand having the 1 hour DT every day. even in 2005, I could understand this.
Now we are in the year 2009.
And yet still the Downtime is still in the middle of the f***g day for me, ever damn day.
have a ****ing cry. for me, its at 9-10pm at night, when everyone is getting intot he swing after work. but you dont see me *****ing, do you?
sorry, im feeling a litte hostile right now.
but no, they cant really cycle the downtime. two reasons:
1. to avoid the middle of the day thing for you, they would need to cycle it by at least 8-12 hours either side, and that means the CCP employees are either gonna be dead tired after a days work or only just waking up. with a system as complex as tranquility, thats not good.
2. most players would be REALLY ****ed if the downtime kept jumping around every week, as they couldnt plan ahead three weeks to when to do stuff. |
Mia Sin
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.19 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Substance have a ****ing cry. for me, its at 9-10pm at night, when everyone is getting intot he swing after work. but you dont see me *****ing, do you?
sorry, im feeling a litte hostile right now.
Yeah, I noticed a lot of people on these forums seem to have problems with normal conversations. Just got shot down?
Originally by: Sir Substance but no, they cant really cycle the downtime. two reasons:
1. to avoid the middle of the day thing for you, they would need to cycle it by at least 8-12 hours either side, and that means the CCP employees are either gonna be dead tired after a days work or only just waking up. with a system as complex as tranquility, thats not good.
Servers are in London, devs are not. What makes you think that every downtime a) requires human attention and b) specifically requires developer attention? I'd venture a guess that downtimes are mostly an automatic process with some assistence from a hardware team (checking for hardware problems, creating some db backups, running optimize on them,...)
Originally by: Sir Substance 2. most players would be REALLY ****ed if the downtime kept jumping around every week, as they couldnt plan ahead three weeks to when to do stuff.
It's not like they couln't create a schedule, is it? They could even display the next few weeks on the login screen (it has an ingame browser, you know?)
That said, I like where the downtime is now. Doesn't mean I couldn't do without it, though.
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cpu939
Gallente OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2009.01.19 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mia Sin
Servers are in London, devs are not. What makes you think that every downtime a) requires human attention and b) specifically requires developer attention? I'd venture a guess that downtimes are mostly an automatic process with some assistence from a hardware team (checking for hardware problems, creating some db backups, running optimize on them,...)
well thats an easy one when something goes wrong as it will with hard ware you need people there to do manual restarts. also you'll more then likely have a dev or a server engineer watching the reboot to make sure it works right this is why we get extened downtime as they have scene a problem or a problem has reported its self to them.
Originally by: Mia Sin
It's not like they couln't create a schedule, is it? They could even display the next few weeks on the login screen (it has an ingame browser, you know?)
That said, I like where the downtime is now. Doesn't mean I couldn't do without it, though.
you could create a schedule but if ccp moved the time on a weekly bases people would not only have to plan skills but also pos feuling and also working out reinforcement time as it could happen on a change day it would be more hassel than it's worth. now i know that the server engineers will have a couple of people on at dt meaning that they would have to reschedule there work as well.
what i would like to see a video of is who is running the servers in london how ccp manages these servers kinda like the windows server video for microsoft. |
Yolo
Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb
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Posted - 2009.01.19 15:29:00 -
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its interesting to see all the dedicated posts to CCP.
I dont request they go up in the middle in the night. But as said in other posts, most of DT has to be scripted.
You dont really belive they sit for an hour and delete wrecks from eve by hand?
Anyways, since there are so much dedicated posts about how DT comes to pass, please share you divine wizdom with us and post a link or two with details.
I for one would love to see pictures of when CCP employees feed the hampsters. |
Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.01.19 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lork Niffle Edited by: Lork Niffle on 18/01/2009 13:17:37 I think what he was saying is to put your schedule around the 11-12-1 time. do som e howwork DIY etc for the 2 hours that DT could be on. Not specifically move.
There are lots of things that one can do in those 30-75 minutes that downtime usually lasts, such as taking a walk (e.g. to get groceries - usually in Europe, most people are at work at that time of day so supermarket queues will be fairly short) or preparing a meal (that one can eat while playing after downtime).
My main complaint isn't with the time of day, but that downtime is every day. WoW can make do with downtime once a week, and from what I've heard every second week is just a re-start, meaning downtime of 10-20 minutes, whereas every other second week is several hours of downtime.
Having some days be downtime-free would more than compensate for downtime lasting longer when it is there.
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cpu939
Gallente OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2009.01.19 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Lork Niffle Edited by: Lork Niffle on 18/01/2009 13:17:37 I think what he was saying is to put your schedule around the 11-12-1 time. do som e howwork DIY etc for the 2 hours that DT could be on. Not specifically move.
There are lots of things that one can do in those 30-75 minutes that downtime usually lasts, such as taking a walk (e.g. to get groceries - usually in Europe, most people are at work at that time of day so supermarket queues will be fairly short) or preparing a meal (that one can eat while playing after downtime).
My main complaint isn't with the time of day, but that downtime is every day. WoW can make do with downtime once a week, and from what I've heard every second week is just a re-start, meaning downtime of 10-20 minutes, whereas every other second week is several hours of downtime.
Having some days be downtime-free would more than compensate for downtime lasting longer when it is there.
eve is one client server wow is not. |
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.01.19 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 19/01/2009 15:50:40
Originally by: Salpad My main complaint isn't with the time of day, but that downtime is every day. WoW can make do with downtime once a week, and from what I've heard every second week is just a re-start, meaning downtime of 10-20 minutes, whereas every other second week is several hours of downtime.
We really aren't in a position to speculate what is necessary in terms of database maintenance and other server changes for a single cluster that runs more users concurrently daily than anywhere else in the world. We don't know how much is required to update the daily calculations such as mineral yield on asteroids, exploration spawns, and so on.
I can also imagine that server processes will inevitable accrue address space fragmentation over time, and a daily restart is more healthy than greater lag and eventually restarting the node at some really inconvenient time. Bear in mind we're talking about systems that move and manage vast amounts of data and must do so quickly.
WoW is a sharded server system, with far fewer people per server and less need for persistence or mutability in the game world. You can't go somewhere arbitrarily in WoW and plant a house, and as far as I know, stuff doesn't randomly appear in WoW. EVE has POSes, exploration complexes, and is generally far more complex in terms of the mutable world it offers. The two can't really be compared. |
Ethic Fail
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:11:00 -
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Personally I see no issue with downtime happening when it does, even now I am home all day and playing EvE I don't see it as an issue. What I'd really love to see is downtime being adjusted for daylight saving so that it's always 12:00 here then I can make and eat my lunch during dt and get back on to playing eve once the server comes back up.
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DoctorDeath
Minmatar Endeavor Enterprises INC Babylon Project
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Yolo back in 2003, I could understand having the 1 hour DT every day. even in 2005, I could understand this.
Now we are in the year 2009.
And yet still the Downtime is still in the middle of the f***g day for me, ever damn day. Basicly being in the middle of the day. Say I can play on weekends and free week days. 52 weekends, 7 national holidays, 25 vacation days. thats 134 days a year. multiplied by 5 years. 670
670 hours game time. (thats not counting the fact that I was unemployed for almsot two years during this period which would increase this number to over 1000 hours)
So basicly. this means (counting 4 hours as a good days of Eve gaming) I'v 'lost' 167,5 days of gaming simply because I'm in a timezone near Island.
There are those that have it even worse (who get DT every evening ... )
CCP - You now have offices in Europe, Asia and the US. cant you just cycle the downtime once a week or something?
this week Europe does the what ever you do when the servers is down. Next week Asia does it Then The US.
Rinse Repeate.
not to hard is it?
YES downtime suck yes we wish it could be more even shared on uncommon hour for everytime zone No thay will not change the time for thay already have a few years ago. the time now be better then it was back in the day..
ONE SERVER, ONE DOWNTIME.
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Mia Sin
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ethic Fail What I'd really love to see is downtime being adjusted for daylight saving so that it's always 12:00 here then I can make and eat my lunch during dt and get back on to playing eve once the server comes back up.
Now, how's that supposed to work with 1 server, 1 downtime schedule and almost 200 countries in the world that may or may not use DST. Not to mention the fact that DST starts and ends at different dates in most countries outside Europe |
Jin Labarre
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Posted - 2009.01.20 05:20:00 -
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I like the placement of the downtime as it is.
When it interrupts my gaming, I usually use that time to:
Feed my kittens Make a phone call to my fiancT Clean up the kitchen Vacuum the carper Make the beds Go shopping ...
It doesn't really screw me up that much. And the best thing is, when I come back there are fresh belts and stuff.
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Brutal Bruno
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Labarre I like the placement of the downtime as it is.
When it interrupts my gaming, I usually use that time to:
Feed my kittens Make a phone call to my fiancT Clean up the kitchen Vacuum the carper Make the beds Go shopping ...
It doesn't really screw me up that much. And the best thing is, when I come back there are fresh belts and stuff.
You do all that in one hour???
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Psihius
Caldari Atomic Scrapyard
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Psihius on 20/01/2009 12:37:48
Originally by: Brutal Bruno
Originally by: Jin Labarre
You do all that in one hour???
Easily, you just need to want to do that :) you will be amused how much can be done in 1 hour :) |
MrWendell
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Posted - 2009.01.20 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: MrWendell on 20/01/2009 15:00:32
Originally by: Yolo back in 2003, I could understand having the 1 hour DT every day. even in 2005, I could understand this.
Now we are in the year 2009.
And yet still the Downtime is still in the middle of the f***g day for me, ever damn day. Basicly being in the middle of the day. Say I can play on weekends and free week days. 52 weekends, 7 national holidays, 25 vacation days. thats 134 days a year. multiplied by 5 years. 670
670 hours game time. (thats not counting the fact that I was unemployed for almsot two years during this period which would increase this number to over 1000 hours)
So basicly. this means (counting 4 hours as a good days of Eve gaming) I'v 'lost' 167,5 days of gaming simply because I'm in a timezone near Island.
There are those that have it even worse (who get DT every evening ... )
CCP - You now have offices in Europe, Asia and the US. cant you just cycle the downtime once a week or something?
this week Europe does the what ever you do when the servers is down. Next week Asia does it Then The US.
Rinse Repeate.
not to hard is it?
Yes. Yes it is. Do you have any idea how much work must be required just to keep Eve going. "Next week Asia does it" pretty much sums your post up i think, seeing as Asia covers at least 13 time zones . Go play Freelancer if you want to play whenever you like.
DT will never suit everybody but moaning about the most necessary thing in Eve since electricity is unproductive. Get a job if it's ruining your life in the middle of the day.
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Yolo
Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb
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Posted - 2009.01.20 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: MrWendell Edited by: MrWendell on 20/01/2009 15:00:32 Yes. Yes it is. Do you have any idea how much work must be required just to keep Eve going. "Next week Asia does it" pretty much sums your post up i think, seeing as Asia covers at least 13 time zones . Go play Freelancer if you want to play whenever you like.
DT will never suit everybody but moaning about the most necessary thing in Eve since electricity is unproductive. Get a job if it's ruining your life in the middle of the day.
I have no doubt there is need for a downtime. but with the endless upgrades to code and hardware that has been done since 2003.
You would think they could have automated things to a level where having another office start the routines and monitor the downtime progress would make very little difference.
Even so, with the upgrades made to eve and its hardware and network. with increased speed and latency. it still takes 1 hour to do the same thing as it took 6 uears ago.
That pretty much says everything about the current situation imo. |
Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2009.01.20 15:50:00 -
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Downtime schedule is as good as it can be. There is no perfect time to have it, and anyone who has ever worked in the industry knows full well that preventative maintenance on a regular schedule is the best option.
Currently it's scheduled when the majority of the game's player base are either a) at work or b) asleep... or at least should be in one of those two brackets.
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padraig animal
Minmatar Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.01.20 19:06:00 -
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From what i read you have not much of a rl don't you ?
Whining about 1 h dt ,you have no home jobs no cleaning no doing like other ppl said going shopping , i begin to believe you never leave your home .
Anyway dt is for me also on the middle of the day for 4 years ,if you don't like it quit and reprocess all your stuff or give it away ,not tome coz can't be much if you lost so much playing time . |
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:16:00 -
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With the risk of repeating what everyone else has said, downtime is pretty much at the best place we can find for it. From our point of view we have everyone in the office. And like it or not, Europe and America is where most players are from and the downtime occurs during the time they're normally at work or in school.
It's not all bad though, while we've used up pretty much the full hour and sometimes a bit more, we are working towards cutting down on the downtime so it could get shorter in the future.
Wrangler Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email
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Thenoran
Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:17:00 -
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What is actually done in the downtime? Cache cleared and stuff? ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
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Qordel
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.20 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Thenoran What is actually done in the downtime? Cache cleared and stuff?
I've always wondered this, myself. What exactly is done that can't be done on a live server? Obviously there are reasons for it, but at the same time, you don't can re-index and vacuum a database/index/tables live these days.
Perhaps there is currently some sort of long-held server-side memory leak that slowly increments over time that they haven't been able to resolve and the only way to deal with it is to bounce everything every 24 hours? --
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Allen Ramses
Caldari Typo Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.21 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel Perhaps there is currently some sort of long-held server-side memory leak that slowly increments over time that they haven't been able to resolve and the only way to deal with it is to bounce everything every 24 hours?
This. The lag is MUCH worse when 600 people are in Jita an hour before DT, than it is when 1100 people are in Jita an hour after DT.
It also allows the memory to be dumped. It's not an easy task to dump several GB of memory when the contents are updated every 20ms. Even a high speed RAMSAN interface can't do that. ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. Made a reality by speed and missile nerf. |
Yolo
Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb
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Posted - 2009.01.23 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler With the risk of repeating what everyone else has said, downtime is pretty much at the best place we can find for it. From our point of view we have everyone in the office. And like it or not, Europe and America is where most players are from and the downtime occurs during the time they're normally at work or in school.
It's not all bad though, while we've used up pretty much the full hour and sometimes a bit more, we are working towards cutting down on the downtime so it could get shorter in the future.
Thanks for the reply Wrangler. I have to say, Downtime used to be shorter on weekends? it seemed to have been a restart only, but but as you said they are nor more offent around the hour.
I for one would be very interested in known in further detail (as far as can be disclosed) what actually is done during downtime?
Possible have a special report about it in E:ON? I'd buy that issue for sure.
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taekwandokid
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.23 13:59:00 -
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Watch some TV for an hour? Put on sunscreen and go outside for an hour? (You wonĘt melt) get a hobby? Watch the beginning of a movie? Do something productive..?
A few suggestions
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MrWendell
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Posted - 2009.01.23 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: taekwandokid Put on sunscreen and go outside for an hour? (You wonĘt melt)
maybe he thinks he's actually in a spaceship and so can't go outside cos he's wired to his pod
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203
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.23 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Yolo
Originally by: CCP Wrangler I for one would be very interested in known in further detail (as far as can be disclosed) what actually is done during downtime?
Probably extraction of statistical Data, Blade Defragmentation and Memory Maintenance (i.E. cleaning up any Bits left behind through a Reboot), and Fixes to the Code when Bugs or Exploits rear their Faces.
It's all fun and Games 'till someone's broke :) - T'is an alt for playing the Forum - |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2009.01.23 23:40:00 -
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Silly people. The reason for downtime is simple.
Even the most professional server administrator is still a Tech-nerd somewhere deep down. And what Nerd doesn't love to press buttons? They just scheduled the downtime so he can press the shiny buttons everyday, otherwise he'd do it when his OCD kicked in 4 or 5 times a day. Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down |
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