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Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.04.18 10:12:00 -
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D3F4ULT wrote:Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Yes i realise that but SOE didnt make those other games either, but they took them over in the long run.
I edited my original post earlier to say that if you meant just porting it over then i retract my sarcastic responce. You must not of seen it.
I took it to mean that they were to easily upgrade the graphics to PS4 without creating a new engine for it. Which is stupid.. Porting is another thing. Alright and I will implement my sarcasm. CCP - "Lets make a console game, on a console that will last only about 4-6 years that only has a couple years left on its life span, and lets make it interact with our 9 year old game in a gameplay changing way. Then, when the next console comes out, we say, 'damn... didn't see that coming'." So I conclude with hurf a durf a dur. Doesn't take much logic to understand that the game will be upgraded to PS4 standards. Take a little time to make some correlations and quit poking at ******** statements such as, "omg no backwards comparability." Also, your statement about SOE is a complete logical fallacy.
it cant be a "logical fallacy" as you put it because i have experiance of them doing just so, i used to play the games they ruined so im not presuming anything. Point on the other stuff though, i did jump the gun due to misinterpreting what you meant. |
Joran Dravius
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.18 10:23:00 -
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I can't believe how gullible you people are. It almost makes me want to be a scammer. Sony themselves have said on numerous occasions the PS4 will come out in 2016 at the earliest.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/307428/ps3-will-last-a-minimum-of-10-years-sony/?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-General-RSS |
EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.18 10:53:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:D3F4ULT wrote:Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Yes i realise that but SOE didnt make those other games either, but they took them over in the long run.
I edited my original post earlier to say that if you meant just porting it over then i retract my sarcastic responce. You must not of seen it.
I took it to mean that they were to easily upgrade the graphics to PS4 without creating a new engine for it. Which is stupid.. Porting is another thing. Alright and I will implement my sarcasm. CCP - "Lets make a console game, on a console that will last only about 4-6 years that only has a couple years left on its life span, and lets make it interact with our 9 year old game in a gameplay changing way. Then, when the next console comes out, we say, 'damn... didn't see that coming'." So I conclude with hurf a durf a dur. Doesn't take much logic to understand that the game will be upgraded to PS4 standards. Take a little time to make some correlations and quit poking at ******** statements such as, "omg no backwards comparability." Also, your statement about SOE is a complete logical fallacy. it cant be a "logical fallacy" as you put it because i have experiance of them doing just so, i used to play the games they ruined so im not presuming anything. Point on the other stuff though, i did jump the gun due to misinterpreting what you meant.
yes it is a logical fallacy because Sony Online Entertainment has nothing to do with CCP, DUST, the PS3 OR PS4.
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Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.04.18 11:00:00 -
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EFF ONEF1 wrote:Nirnias Stirrum wrote:D3F4ULT wrote:Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Yes i realise that but SOE didnt make those other games either, but they took them over in the long run.
I edited my original post earlier to say that if you meant just porting it over then i retract my sarcastic responce. You must not of seen it.
I took it to mean that they were to easily upgrade the graphics to PS4 without creating a new engine for it. Which is stupid.. Porting is another thing. Alright and I will implement my sarcasm. CCP - "Lets make a console game, on a console that will last only about 4-6 years that only has a couple years left on its life span, and lets make it interact with our 9 year old game in a gameplay changing way. Then, when the next console comes out, we say, 'damn... didn't see that coming'." So I conclude with hurf a durf a dur. Doesn't take much logic to understand that the game will be upgraded to PS4 standards. Take a little time to make some correlations and quit poking at ******** statements such as, "omg no backwards comparability." Also, your statement about SOE is a complete logical fallacy. it cant be a "logical fallacy" as you put it because i have experiance of them doing just so, i used to play the games they ruined so im not presuming anything. Point on the other stuff though, i did jump the gun due to misinterpreting what you meant. yes it is a logical fallacy because Sony Online Entertainment has nothing to do with CCP, DUST, the PS3 OR PS4.
oh im sorry... Sony Computer Entertainment........... (extended pause) |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2012.04.18 11:02:00 -
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DUST is a marketplace download.
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.18 11:42:00 -
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I'm just glad it's not going to be released until late 2013. Gives them time to rethink using an X86 AMD CPU instead of a Cell processor. Powerful my arse. What do they think they're going to compute with that? A 'decent' AMD processor costs more than 2 PS3s and produces more heat under load than a toaster oven. Sounds pretty stupid to me unless they plan on putting a griddle on top. [:lol:
You might guess I'm not pro-AMD. I don't hate them; I'm just aware enough to recognize that they're both hampered by an inability to make a decent product and Intels reluctance to release manufacturing licences to patents on their x86-64 architecture. Between the two of those AMD doesn't have much of a chance
Other thoughts:
Why use an X86 instruction set
AMD CPUs consistently underperform when compared with Intel Processors of the same speed and number of cores while having much higher TDPs on average.
Cell Processors are expensive? I gather they are as they seem to think this method of manufacture will make PS3 cheaper
That controller might actually be pretty cool. At least you can rest it on your knee
I see problems in the future for Sony. Mass market recalls, faulty/cooked PS4s, stuff to make the RROD of XBox look like a cake walk. Also: stuttering frame rates, screen blink and freezes, hard drive corruption, and various other issues as well as surprisingly underwhelming sales. The minute most people hear AMD, they're going to go out and buy an XBox.
ATi GPU? That's fine I guess, but I wouldn't expect it to handle the load normally placed on the CPU if that is their intent here. That is the only thing I can really think of, given the CPU sure isn't going to handle it and still be affordable. Imagine trying to play BF3 on a laptop using AMD Fusion. These things are so slow they barely top 2 on the Windows Experience Index
Not having a bloated OS in the background might make a significant difference but I'm not sure it is enough
Maybe things will change? Maybe SCE guys are genius and can figure out a way to make a decent console using these parts. I mean, it's not like it is the same as a PC. They do layout the PCB and memory modules and effectively use the GPUs and CPUs as onboard devices. Maybe they will use more than one Fusion CPU. That might work
I'm going to be a bit hesitant about buying one and upgrading though I think. Say.. 2 years hesitant. I think if Dust is on PC by then I'll probably just drop the notion of getting a PS4 entirely, assuming I find I truly enjoy it and am still playing it at that point. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:39:00 -
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So...after all that should you even think about buying a PS3 for DUST? EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Aethlyn
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Posted - 2012.04.18 13:28:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Yeah that's ace and all but DUST will have constraints on PS4 based on PS3 capability no?
That's different to saying it's multiplatform.
At the moment you can run EVE on a baseline PC and go nuts after that with regards to grunt.
A PS3 will never be a PS4 so besides some eye candy the PS4 game will only ever be as good as the PS3 version.
For example, the PS4 might be able to do a 128 player map, but it will be 32 until they dump PS3.
If so, what's the point doing PS3? Noone is going to stop them from doing more advanced stuff that will get to the PS4 only.
Look back at EVE: Consider the PS3 the old DX7/8 client and the PS4 the new DX9 client. Both clients existed next to each other for quite some time. Similar thing will happen once they add stuff requiring DirectX 11 (e.g. Tesselation as seen at this year's Fanfest). They won't drop the DX9 client immediately. Both versions will coexist for a while.
Just due to porting the game to a better platform (no matter if it's a newer PC or the next generation of console games) doesn't mean you'll lose compatibility if you change too many things. E.g. the PS4 version could feature additional effects, higher polygon counts, better textures, etc. all without breaking compatibility. They could even add bigger maps that would be PS4 exclusive. Also, why should they wait for the PS4 to be released? Don't you want to play the game now?
Edit: Also, something important to note: Most processing being done in many modern games isn't something visual. It's behind the scene stuff like pathfinding, AI, etc. Lots of things Dust won't have to handle, because it's done server side.
Graic Gabtar wrote:So...after all that should you even think about buying a PS3 for DUST? It will definitely take some more time for the PS4 to be released, and even then... we don't know pricing etc. I wouldn't buy a PS3 solely for the game, but you have to remember there are other advantages too (like being able to play blurays) Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
737
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:47:00 -
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Pretty psyched for DUST. Hope CCP dun goof it. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:00:00 -
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Edit: damn quoted wrong person and can't find the one I wanted... |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.18 16:18:00 -
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So wait, the source of all this speculation on compatibility and a 2013 release date is based solely on the fact that the name of the next gen console links to the Sony website?
Really people?
About the only thing "verifiable" in that article is what the code name is of the PS4. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
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Posted - 2012.04.18 21:51:00 -
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So... All I read from all this is that we don't know what version of the PS this will be released on or if will be a PS3 port to PS4 constrained to the abilities of the PS3. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2012.04.18 22:49:00 -
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Well, any gaming company knows the importance of release titles. If dust is a big hitter for the PSN, then rest assured that a visually upgraded component for PS4 will not be far behind. Graphics upgrades only won't be as tough because the engine would still be solid and functional (hopefully) |
gaszy mexican
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.18 23:25:00 -
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right well the ps4 not being able to play ps3 games not a really a issue as well ... dust isnt on a disk its a download so im sure that will be fine . dust will be out ont he ps3 this year and the ps4 is due out for xmas 2013 so all the leaks have been saying . so stop the worrying . |
Doggy Dogwoofwoof
Skellhell Operations
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Posted - 2012.04.19 00:30:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Dust = a few months away PS3 = a few years away...
I dont see the relevance to the PS4 and dust
So, dust is coming out on the PS2. is that what your saying? |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2012.04.19 00:41:00 -
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Very misleading thread title. Everything you hear about the "PlayStation 4" is a rumor until Sony actually reveals something on their next system. Regardless, CCP is well aware that the current console generation is nearing its end. By the time the next consoles hit, I suspect a PC version of Dust will already have been released. |
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