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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2009.01.19 17:30:00 -
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Following the previous blog on ShaderModel support we recieved a lot of feedback and made a decision based on that. We're sure this will please many of you laptop owners out there, the full details are in Zulupark's dev blog: The results are in; EVE and ShaderModel support. |
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Ariel Acterus
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Posted - 2009.01.19 17:48:00 -
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Good move. Nice one :) |
Spindeln
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 17:53:00 -
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It would be interesting to get some info on what the trade-off was.
How much extra work to maintain 2.0 support and did you drop any graphics candy from ambulation to make this possible?
I don't mind about the decision, just curious. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.19 17:54:00 -
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Windows Mobile here I come! |
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Sky Grunthor
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 17:56:00 -
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YES!!!!!! |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:00:00 -
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Well, my laptop is now junk.
Thanks a lot.
Please send replacement to the address on my account details. Thx.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
Ix Forres
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Well, my laptop is now junk.
Thanks a lot.
Please send replacement to the address on my account details. Thx.
If you're running a laptop without SM2, time to upgrade. My EeePC can do SM2. -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense | EVE Metrics (NEW) | I Tweet |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres
Originally by: Avon Well, my laptop is now junk.
Thanks a lot.
Please send replacement to the address on my account details. Thx.
If you're running a laptop without SM2, time to upgrade. My EeePC can do SM2.
If you are paying I am happy to upgrade.
Otherwise I'll just spend the money on my mortgage, bills, and just generally surviving if that is okay with you.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
Ma'kal
Caldari SUNDERING Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Ma''kal on 19/01/2009 18:18:04 I was just wondering if the premium graphics client would require ShaderModel 3? If it did it would be awesome because who doesn't like shiny |
Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:27:00 -
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Good decision. If they can make a shader 2 graphics set out of an automatic downsample, then it's a no brainer to keep that support indefinitely. We want more players not fewer.
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ArmyOfMe
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:28:00 -
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good move ccp thanks for listening this time |
Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ma'kal Edited by: Ma''kal on 19/01/2009 18:18:04 I was just wondering if the premium graphics client would require ShaderModel 3? If it did it would be awesome because who doesn't like shiny
Premium already requires Shader 3.
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Altridge McAltpherson
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Ix Forres
Originally by: Avon Well, my laptop is now junk.
Thanks a lot.
Please send replacement to the address on my account details. Thx.
If you're running a laptop without SM2, time to upgrade. My EeePC can do SM2.
If you are paying I am happy to upgrade.
Otherwise I'll just spend the money on my mortgage, bills, and just generally surviving if that is okay with you.
If you can't afford a new ú300 laptop then frankly you should have bigger concerns than computer games. |
Ma'kal
Caldari SUNDERING Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Originally by: Ma'kal Edited by: Ma''kal on 19/01/2009 18:18:04 I was just wondering if the premium graphics client would require ShaderModel 3? If it did it would be awesome because who doesn't like shiny
Premium already requires Shader 3.
Didn't know that thanks :) |
Lucy Lou
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:35:00 -
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Cool, hope it does not hold the premium engine back too much :) |
Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Altridge McAltpherson
If you can't afford a new ú300 laptop then frankly you should have bigger concerns than computer games.
If 300 quid is nothing to you I accept paypal. |
Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lucy Lou Cool, hope it does not hold the premium engine back too much :)
It shouldn't. All the artists have to do is make their art down-sample friendly which shouldn't be too hard, and certainly a LOT less time consuming than maintaining a completely separate art object set for a separate client.
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:47:00 -
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Good choice, I am curious, what model Vaio, has enough welly to run classic client but doesn't have SM2? -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Spindeln It would be interesting to get some info on what the trade-off was.
How much extra work to maintain 2.0 support and did you drop any graphics candy from ambulation to make this possible?
I don't mind about the decision, just curious.
The trade off? The original blog was probably a "feel the water temperature" to have a "go / don't go" impression off the player base. In the first case, more development savings, in the latter, less development savings.
This is wise. Other companies would have just run headbutting against their playerbase and would wake up with a cold shower. I.e. Mythic Entertrainment.
About the BLOG:
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We will however not pursue going to ShaderModel 3 as a minimum, at least for now. It's quite apparent that while an overwhelming majority has no problems with moving to ShaderModel 2, there are still quite a few (mostly laptop) users out there that cannot support ShaderModel 3 yet. We're going to continue monitoring hardware trends closely and will revise our plan on a regular basis.
This is as close as a good sentence we could get. Only detail I find amiss, you should add "AGP desktop users" to the laptop.
While an AGP SM3 card has the price of fried chips, as AGP desktop user (for my alts, I also have a SM2 laptop and SM4 "main" computer) I immediately see:
- Cheap but hard to get in many countries
- Requires a new PSU => PC is cheaper to just be fed to the garbage bin. Can't find said PSU in several countries any more anyway.
- In any case, the latest AGP cards run with a bus multiplier the computer can't even use at half => no performance gain at all => game still unplayable beyond Powerpoint slide show even for mining with the new deluxe mini client.
Result: someone with a working AGP computer sporting 30+ FPS like in my case would have to trash it. And not everyone are lucky like me to have a "real" SM4 main computer.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 19/01/2009 18:57:24
Originally by: clone 1 Good choice, I am curious, what model Vaio, has enough welly to run classic client but doesn't have SM2?
PCG-K115Z |
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:57:00 -
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Good decision, CCP although perhaps more warning would have been nice.
It's unfortunate that you've left it late to warn people about SM1 but TBH people must be using some really ratty laptops if they can't even handle SM2. My own is over two years old now and was one of the cheapest on the market at the time. Replacing a laptop isn't something most people can do at the drop of a hat. The sooner you get the message out the longer people will have to start saving.
It would be good if you could add a warning for SM2 users. Maybe a warning on the login page? |
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CCP Zulupark
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
It would be good if you could add a warning for SM2 users. Maybe a warning on the login page?
Capital idea, we're looking into spreading this message as far as possible to give everyone affected notice. |
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Gut Punch
Shade. Penumbra Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Gut Punch on 19/01/2009 19:05:28
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Ix Forres
Originally by: Avon Well, my laptop is now junk.
Thanks a lot.
Please send replacement to the address on my account details. Thx.
If you're running a laptop without SM2, time to upgrade. My EeePC can do SM2.
If you are paying I am happy to upgrade.
Otherwise I'll just spend the money on my mortgage, bills, and just generally surviving if that is okay with you.
You are worried about making the payment on your house and utilities to keep youself (and possibly your family) dry, warm, and fed and you are even thinking about playing a monthly subscription game??? No wonder the economy is in the tank and people want handouts. |
Gaius Proeliator
Caldari Omega Propulsion
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:05:00 -
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I approve your decision, CCP. I think you're moving in the right direction, without moving too quickly by maintaining support for SM2. Thank you for listening to the community, and realizing that removing SM2 support would be a hardship for many. |
Helison
Gallente GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark
Capital idea, we're looking into spreading this message as far as possible to give everyone affected notice.
Yeah, please add it to the motd for TQ. It would be also great if the system requirements (for example in the Knowledge Base or on Evelopedia) could be updated as soon as possible.
Btw: Is there already any answer to what will happen with the official Linux client? |
Grigori Black
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:07:00 -
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So how do you check to see if your computer runs Shader Model 2? |
Altridge McAltpherson
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Avon If 300 quid is nothing to you I accept paypal.
If ú300 is an issue for you and you are old enough to be working, you shouldn't be whining about video games. |
Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark
Originally by: Andrue
It would be good if you could add a warning for SM2 users. Maybe a warning on the login page?
Capital idea, we're looking into spreading this message as far as possible to give everyone affected notice.
Could you autodetect the gcards that won't work in loggin screen and warn guys ? A lot of people ask if their computer will work in less than two monthes. |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 19/01/2009 18:57:24
Originally by: clone 1 Good choice, I am curious, what model Vaio, has enough welly to run classic client but doesn't have SM2?
PCG-K115Z
I'm impressed EVE even works on a 5 year old laptop. |
Mikalya
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:16:00 -
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Thank you
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