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Aurvundill
Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Aurvundill on 05/03/2009 21:55:57
Originally by: Elysarian
Originally by: Aurvundill
Those of you with laptop incompatibility it might be a good idea to try and find a copy of 3D-Analyze.
It has the ability to force shaders to 1.1 - 1.4 for older cards, along with tweaking rendering settings. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_3D_analyze
Quote: 3D Analyze is a software to emulate various 3D graphics such as shader 2.0 technology. Refer to the program website for further information or simply try your favorite search engine on the web. It has several options to emulate but is currently a very outdated software. Many find it useful in emulating grpahics that certain games require (when the user's graphics card simply doesnt support it). The website (mostly german from what i can tell) is http://www.tommti-systems.de/start.html
However I'm not sure about the compatibility of it with EVE.
Emulating SM2.0 probably isn't going to work - or if it does you'll be playing "Eve-Powerpoint".
Emulate == "run the code on the CPU"
This means that the people with those SM 1.0 and 1.4 cards, who will have PC's of a similar age will not only be trying to game on an older, single-core processor but that same processor will be trying to do the work of several (dozens of?) dedicated stream processors that later gfx cards have in them.
This worked back when HL2 was released and helped out immensely.
Heck, I found a recent 2009 article on it: http://mediakey.dk/~cc/tag/3d-analyze/ http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=808085 - 3D-Analyze Steampowered HowTo
It may not seem like much just by looking at it, but it does work.
EDIT: You could also try the swiftshader thingy. :P
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IvanTheBastard
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Posted - 2009.03.08 16:03:00 -
[542]
1GB Ram... i'm going to be upgrading my old comp in a month or 2 to something decent, but in the meantime does this mean when Prem lite is launched my 768 meg will give me some kind of do not pass go message?
Old DDR RAM is expensive for what it is , could do not to have to buy it for the sake of a month.... i guess it is only about ú30 but i'd rather spend it on beer than on a comp i'm not going to use in a month or so.. if anyone knows please comment and i'll set Research Project management 5 training until i have the cash for my upgrade!! In the meantime the cats are on rations.
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Kalrasha Cryton
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.09 05:49:00 -
[543]
Ok yeah i have a question here
Ok I ran run everything maxed out on premium graphics, with little issues with my video card. Reason I am commenting is with the current premium graphics, what will happen when Apocr comes out will the graphics be much sharper, denser? cleaner? or what? will there be more space effects? like more dust? Will there be peaces of ship debres falling off your ship when ever you start to enter hull, armor ect. Will there be hybrid or projectile rounds floating in the space? I never got to try the Singularity patch because it seems that I have a incompatable build as of now, and I downloaded the full singularity test client after making a copy from my original. I always wanted to try this Premium ultra or what ever you guys gunna call the "T2" version of Premium graphics. But now I don't have a chance until the new expansion comes out. So far I thoraly enjoyed everything eve had to offer both the good, the bad and the sweet mama that's awsome part of eve I have high hopes of exploring in wormholes even if they close up on me. I will throughly enjoy pvp as well, from what I heard you can no longer do the whole "Rainbow" type of coloring when it comes to Lasers and missiles are the same.
Eve mail me in game if you want I'm always available.
Faithful Capsuleer
Kalrasha Cryton
BTW graphics input for me
Windows Vista Ultimate Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.20GHz 3.25 GB RAM NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX Computer Name: EVE for Life
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xPewtridx
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:25:00 -
[544]
I'll be able to run premium lite.. but if you make Premium a min requirement i wont be able to play eve... at all... and i honestly dont want to hear any "Its time to upgrade" B.S. Money is tight for a hell of alot of people right now... and upgrading my computer is the least of my worries... I honestly dont see the point in going that far with the min requirements.... I know for a fact that more then just me won't be able to play eve if you do that.. which effectively hurts your player base...Not to mention that i've given you people a lot of money over the years and now suddenly there is a chance that all my time, effort and money will completely go out the window just because i can't afford a new computer... i think its completely unfair....Please toss that idea in the trash...
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AK Archangel
Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:38:00 -
[545]
Global crisis ... ccp fired classic client developers/support team... well at least some people try to modifi eve client for lower videocards, so lets waiting...
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Stormwatch Galactic BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.09 11:34:00 -
[546]
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 09/03/2009 11:39:18
Originally by: Tranka Verrane
We will however not pursue going to ShaderModel 3 as a minimum, at least for now. It's quite apparent that while an overwhelming majority has no problems with moving to ShaderModel 2, there are still quite a few (mostly laptop) users out there that cannot support ShaderModel 3 yet. We're going to continue monitoring hardware trends closely and will revise our plan on a regular basis."
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=617
Just confirming that my laptop can run SM2.0 but not 3. So CCP avoids cancellation of my alt account.. so far.
ps. I think it should be pointed out in apocrypha features page that new client may be needed to continue playing Eve...
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Justitia Leprechaun
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Posted - 2009.03.09 13:17:00 -
[547]
I am hoping to see FSAA (fullscreen anti-aliasing) working in EVE Online soon. The game looks awesome, but the jagged edges are completely ruining the overall feeling. Feels like a big let-down, really. My GF8800GTX can do 16x FSAA, so it's sad to have none of it working. :/
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Hewolf
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Posted - 2009.03.09 13:40:00 -
[548]
I use a laptop to play eve, how do I tell if I can still play it? the built in display driver is from a Mobile Intel (R) 965 Express Chipset Family.
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Souvuelle
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Posted - 2009.03.09 14:40:00 -
[549]
Edited by: Souvuelle on 09/03/2009 14:43:33
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Altridge McAltpherson
If you can't afford a new ú300 laptop then frankly you should have bigger concerns than computer games.
If 300 quid is nothing to you I accept paypal.
I do too, i agree not everyone can afford to upgrade their PC, personally i can just manage to ballance bills/eve subscription without having to fork out for a new PC too,
EDIT: Id also like to know if a Intel(r)82956G Express Chipset Family 1 is able to use SM2?
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124C
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Posted - 2009.03.09 15:28:00 -
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EPIC FAIL CCP!
With each patch you cut out more and more existing players. I recently upgraded so I could run premium. I even got a premium supported card: It crashes when I undock, appears glitchy and compared to classic is a dog that won't dual client. Lite had better bloody well run. If you want to upgrade yourself into oblivion, feel free.
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Praetor Raynor
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Posted - 2009.03.09 18:55:00 -
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i can support ShaderModel 3 but my fps will probably go to hell. Please CCP wait at least till summer or winter next year before you decide to change the gfx requirements again. I will have a new pc by then. Would be ever so greatful. :-)
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John plissken
Caldari Terminal Logic NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.09 19:19:00 -
[552]
Originally by: Doublewhopper
Originally by: John plissken Why do people buy crappy laptops & expect to be able to play games on them? the laptop is a working tool, invented for business people to be able to work whilst on the move. why waste your money on something that has awful sound quality, dodgy graphics, a screen the becomes unreadable when the tiniest amount of sunlight hits it? i have no sympathy for the people with older laptops who'll have to upgarde. if you wanted to play games with your pc you should have bought a real one. they're a hell of a lot cheaper & even the cheapest pc's out now support at least sm2. hell, couple of extra bucks & you've got one with sm4. imagine how long it'll be before eve gets to that stage, years!
Why do you post here if you have not read the arguments of other people?
I use 4 computers to accommodate all my accounts. Two of them are older laptops.
I do not care about lag. I do not care about great graphics. I do not care what you think a gamer is.
But this is the situation for many people:
They run alts on an alt-encouraging game, using the hardware that they have or have gotten cheaply. This means mostly laptops.
Now when the classic client goes away, i simply loose functionality. I do not expect to do PVP or lag-free missions or whatever high-end stuff on my 6 year old laptop.
I do however need it to haul afk across empire, use it to trade in the market and do some mining with it. All that is lost now. The laptop(s) did it just fine and nobody expected them to do more.
Now you need to get new hardware for those secondary tasks and that seems unreasonable.
This will result in alt-accounts cancelled and maybe also main-accounts due to loss of fun.
NOW FOR THE FLAMEBAIT:
People in here flame people for being to poor to upgrade laptops. And that they shouldntt use laptops and get a real computer and how cheap that is and so on...
Well i repeat that you don't get the point here. It rather seems that these people with their "big computers" are so poor that they can only afford one computer together with one account.
So they have actually no idea why we use those laptops in the first place.
I know what it means to be poor, hell, half of my pc is just recycled bits from my previous pc. but instead of forking out ú300 on a laptop with a single screen to play a second copy of eve on, i got myself a multi-core cpu & a gpu that could handle multiple monitors. i have two eve accounts, and the both run happily, at the same time on the same pc, so no need for a second pc eating up loads of electricity just to afk fly halfway across eve. baseline laptops with sm2 may cost ú300 now, but for that u could get yourself a mobo, dual core cpu & a gpu with sm4 & dual outputs. crt monitors are everywhere now, most people just have them hidden away at the back of a garage, unused. no one wants them anymore. i picked up a brilliant matching pair of 19" crt's at an office clearance for ú15 each. there is tons of unused old pc's out there, that no one uses or cares about anymore, that can be bought at clearances, car boot sales, etc. it's easy just to gut one, keep the parts like case, dvd drive & psu, buy a mobo for ú40, a cpu for ú80, 2gb of ram for ú20 & a gpu for ú70, scavange a HD from an old pc as well & find a friend who's got an old crt sat around that he's not using. and for about ú250 you've got a pc that can handle multiple eve clients & preatty much anything else u can throw at it, including most new games.
as for why you use a laptop, does your job require it? do you just enjoy playing eve while running around in circles? i cannot see a reason for owning a laptop beyond it being a tool for work. if u only use your pc for computing while at home, then get a desktop. so what if it's alot bigger, if your never taking it from your home, it doesn't matter.
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Doublewhopper
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Posted - 2009.03.09 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: John plissken
as for why you use a laptop, does your job require it? do you just enjoy playing eve while running around in circles? i cannot see a reason for owning a laptop beyond it being a tool for work. if u only use your pc for computing while at home, then get a desktop. so what if it's alot bigger, if your never taking it from your home, it doesn't matter.
My laptops running classic client at 35 fps consume 30 Watts and add to safe monthly power cost.
How much will you rig use? 300 Watts?
Also i need to accommodate more than 2 clients. So for your 300 Watt rig, that can run 2 clients, i could run 10 laptops.
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Minoru Kakahashi
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Posted - 2009.03.09 22:35:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA_950#GMA_950
My three year old Dell laptop will be able to play Premium Lite. How well is anyone's guess, but going on this information, any intel-based laptop bought in the last three years or so should be able to run it, including the entire Eee netbook range.
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Caldari 5
Amarr The Element Syndicate Black Mesa Project
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Posted - 2009.03.09 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue Good decision, CCP although perhaps more warning would have been nice.
I'll say, I just found out today a few hours before the patch that my laptop won't be able to play eve anymore :(
I don't normally troll through forums looking for this kind of thing, heck I rarely even read the forums, the only way I found out today was because I randomly decided to read what was happening in the patch at the login screen.
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Michael Drakus
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:03:00 -
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I started my eve client and it automatically downloaded the apocrypha patch and installed it. Now it cannot load past the splash screen, and tells me that my graphics card is not supported.
Thanks to the discontinued support for my graphics card, I can no longer play EVE at all. a week ago, I paid $20.00 for a month of gametime. I want my money back if there is no way to fix this issue. I refuse to pay for something I cannot access, so you can send the value of the remainder of my time paid for to the credit card I have on file immediately.
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:23:00 -
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Quote: as for why you use a laptop, does your job require it? do you just enjoy playing eve while running around in circles? i cannot see a reason for owning a laptop beyond it being a tool for work. if u only use your pc for computing while at home, then get a desktop. so what if it's alot bigger, if your never taking it from your home, it doesn't matter.
I've seen this garbage so many times today it's making my eyes bleed! I keep reminding myself that I'm playing a Sci-fi game about spaceships and laser beams and many here still don't see how idiotic there anti laptop comments are going to sound in about 2 or 3 years.
I've only used a laptop for a year and 1/2 and I still can't see how anyone would be able to accept having a giant computer bolted to the floor in some dark corner of your house. I play eve on my patio while I'm smoking a cigarette and talking to the GF, turn it on when I'm in bed just to set skills or check my mail. I take the dammed thing with me when I go out of town.
I know many are of the old mindset that you have to have a desk top to play games but thatÆs straight out of 1999. Every day laptop performance gets closer to that of a desktop. ItÆs only a matter of time folks and itÆs not on a Sci-fi time scale here. This is happening now. I won't have a desktop anywhere but work as long as I live I swear it.
Desktops are evolving into business machines and high end graphics drivers. The number of people who are going to own a desktop just to play games is not going to be enough to support CCP. The total lack of imagination and foresight in a community of people playing a Science fiction game is mind blowing.
CCP is not trying to eliminate laptop players in fact they have made adjustments just to include laptop players because they know thatÆs the future and if games don't evolve graphically at super speed for the next several years because of it thatÆs just the way it is. Running in circles... humph!
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byron yuu
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:06:00 -
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well i guess its a good deal to upgrade but i dont have a compatable card today...... i set a 2 day skill knowing that patch's can be longer than expected but it may take me a week to fing a good agp slot 3d card as upgradeing my comp wasnt what i expected to need to do. is there a way to change my skills without logging in to game so i dont loss valuable time on skills that is already payed for? i can let the game sit as long as i know the skills keep going up!!! if i had know there was going to be a need to upgrade my comp before hand i'd have set a bs skill to lvl 5 (always good to fly all the cap ships). if there is any way i could get some help with that (and no i wont give my logon name and password away) please let me know if not ill probly loss a week maybe 2 of training and i'll be disapointed with that... PLEASE help byron
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byron yuu
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:38:00 -
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well looks like at least the patch was done early enough for me to order a new card online. $96 for a 512 that fits a agp slot and has up to shader model 3 isnt a bad deal and will put me ahead of the next patch if you dont lose half your clientel from the lack of upgrade... not sure if its alowable but try tigerdirect.com for old comp stuff they seem to have a lot for the old junk comp user hehe. will only lose 3 days and haveing to upgrade to play sucks but i cant not play, but i would like to get credit for my skill downtime but i know eve is gona be loseing a ton of money when the people unwilling to upgrade drop the game. hope to see you all online again soon Byron
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Ripley Sanders
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Posted - 2009.03.10 21:18:00 -
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Now it looks like you will loose ppl, No wounder Blizard's World of Warcraft is still in the Lead, They Hold on the Requierments, Not Changing there And they keep their aprox 9 mil Players in just Europe.
I love EVE, But now you lost one more player,
And you will loose Many more, UNLESS You get the old Standard Options back on Requierment! AND keeping Low Preformance Options Will Keep more players, And have HIGH Preformance as an OPTION!
Everybody Dont have the money to buy the Latest Stuff eighter
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Reelism
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Posted - 2009.03.10 22:09:00 -
[561]
good bye eve online it was a fun
FYI u probly lost alot of old old characters that are directors and CEOS. Maybe even alliance leaders......
Oh well make way for the new people to sign up for eve online...... what wait?? i thought eve was about longevity, and to keep there current customers while building on newer ones.
But i guess its about time CCP started acting like every other corporation on this planet. Brush off the guys who dont pay as much to make way for the guys who will pay more. FYI i dont pay for eve my isk does and i imagine alot of players who have been playing for a long time on the same computer do too.
The GTC switch didn't force people to pay cash so they have decided to cater to only new computers forcing out the old and in with the new who are able and willing to pay cash money for eve online. -- Like the storm that's in the making, When the rumbling thunder runs, And the hills and valleys tremble. |
Admiral Lexx
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Posted - 2009.03.10 23:16:00 -
[562]
Edited by: Admiral Lexx on 10/03/2009 23:21:55 Nice job ccp. By forcing me to "upgrade" to premium lite from classic (which I liked just fine) my fps has dropped to 9. This is with an Nvidia series 5 (FX5500) which I thought was supposed to run fine after patch. I have all the settings on minimum just to get the 9 fsp so, of course, the graphics look like crap. Slow and crappy.... good job!
I've been playing since 2005 but I guess not anymore. Apparently no agp cards can run the game anymore, so I'd need a motherboard upgrade as well.
I'd remain a paying customer if you retained the classic option. I've never paid for gametime with isk, though I have several billion and could. I've always paid with cold hard cash.
No, you can't have my stuff.
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Tye Renolds
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Posted - 2009.03.11 00:14:00 -
[563]
wtf is wrong with ccp no warning at all about this crap. Thanks for taking the 3 month subscription fee out before you made sure i was screwed.
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John plissken
Caldari Terminal Logic NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.11 01:02:00 -
[564]
we accept having a "giant pc bolted to the floor" because the latest games always require the latest technology. this means high power consuption & high heat output. these are things laptops cannot handle. hopefully with the grace of finer manufacturing techniques, manufacturers will be able to get pc products down to more acceptable levels, maybe even be able to bring out mobile chipsets that can rival the newest desktop ones, but it's a long time off, and regardless of how small a manufacturing process, heat will still be an issue. there are other factors that make a difference as well. i enjoy having a soundcard that can play music well & create surround sound for immersive in-game experience. i doubt playing eve in bed on a small screened laptop with awful tinny little speakers would match that experience. and the dreadful little laptop touchpads don't lend themselves to gaming very well, having to scroll across a pad several times just to get to the other side of the screen is irritating, not something i would want to pvp with.
anyway, i'm fed up of this argument now, i know i won't persuade the laptop die-hards, and the people who invested in desktops probably don't give a sh*t as most of them won't be reading this forum, due to not needing to upgrade. i'll just leave with the thought that instead of spending ú300 on that laptop (which now can't run eve) just so you could walk around with it; take it to your friends; show it off & look flash, you could have spent ú300 on a huge bulk of a pc hidden away in some dark room corner which would still be able to run eve.
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Caildir CorWe
Minmatar Intergalactic Commerce Union
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Posted - 2009.03.11 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ma'kal Edited by: Ma''kal on 19/01/2009 18:18:04 I was just wondering if the premium graphics client would require ShaderModel 3? If it did it would be awesome because who doesn't like shiny
Well unfortuneatly it is not about whether or not you like shiny, it's whether you can afford shiny, I am one who can afford shiny, I just don't use it all the time.
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eldeago
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Posted - 2009.03.11 02:29:00 -
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Intel(R) 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Shader model 1.1 : yes Shader model 1.2 : yes Shader model 1.3 : yes Shader model 1.4 : yes Shader model 2.0 : yes Shader model 2 A : no Shader model 2 B : no Shader model 2 (software): no Shader model 3.0 : no
And it says I still can't play EVE because of my graphics card. So I have 2 1/2 months of subscription left to a game I can no longer play? Is there going to be a refund if this turns out the case. thanks.
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Michael Drakus
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Posted - 2009.03.11 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: eldeago Intel(R) 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Shader model 1.1 : yes Shader model 1.2 : yes Shader model 1.3 : yes Shader model 1.4 : yes Shader model 2.0 : yes Shader model 2 A : no Shader model 2 B : no Shader model 2 (software): no Shader model 3.0 : no
And it says I still can't play EVE because of my graphics card. So I have 2 1/2 months of subscription left to a game I can no longer play? Is there going to be a refund if this turns out the case. thanks.
I've been asking the same thing all day. I think they have a legal requirement in this case to deliver a refund since it was their decision to stop supporting certain graphics cards. It would have made more sense for them to keep the 'classic' client and simply add the new graphics capabilities as optional, thus not forcing a lot of paying customers to no longer be able to access the game. A lot of people are in the same situation, and ccp is still completely mum on the issue. They seem to be ignoring the situation altogether.
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Mortis Diem
Hell's Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.03.11 02:57:00 -
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" we accept having a "giant pc bolted to the floor" because the latest games always require the latest technology. this means high power consuption & high heat output. these are things laptops cannot handle. hopefully with the grace of finer manufacturing techniques, manufacturers will be able to get pc products down to more acceptable levels, maybe even be able to bring out mobile chipsets that can rival the newest desktop ones, but it's a long time off, and regardless of how small a manufacturing process, heat will still be an issue. there are other factors that make a difference as well. i enjoy having a soundcard that can play music well & create surround sound for immersive in-game experience. i doubt playing eve in bed on a small screened laptop with awful tinny little speakers would match that experience. and the dreadful little laptop touchpads don't lend themselves to gaming very well, having to scroll across a pad several times just to get to the other side of the screen is irritating, not something i would want to pvp with.
anyway, i'm fed up of this argument now, i know i won't persuade the laptop die-hards, and the people who invested in desktops probably don't give a sh*t as most of them won't be reading this forum, due to not needing to upgrade. i'll just leave with the thought that instead of spending ú300 on that laptop (which now can't run eve) just so you could walk around with it; take it to your friends; show it off & look flash, you could have spent ú300 on a huge bulk of a pc hidden away in some dark room corner which would still be able to run eve. "
If you would be so kind as to tell me where in my 18wheeler I can bolt said desktop I would gladly do so. Also please show me where in my truck I can plug it in. I spend weeks at a time on the road. A laptop is the only option for me. And though you may not believe it the truck driving community has a high percentage of gamers. Go into any truck stop and you will see us plugged in playing Eve, WoW, DAOC and other games. That said if my current laptop doesnt run the new release I am sure one of the many cash rich players who so easily speak of buying a new system in this down economy will loan me the funds.
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Hiedowski
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Posted - 2009.03.11 03:53:00 -
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Here's a idea why not just upgrade the premium and leaves us vagrants, students and poorly paid low lifes, Who HAVE JUST AS MUCH RIGHT TO PLAY as the well off to play with classic???
Problem solved.
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Doryd'oh
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Posted - 2009.03.11 04:30:00 -
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Dunno if anyone mentioned it yet, but Linux is no option anymore since they dropped support for it too. Not that it would help with the shader problem, but it would have helped with the XP requirement.
Some people say there is no compatible AGP cards, is that true? I can't believe it is, hope not anyway.
And another zinger for the low performance crowd, apparently some graphics don't show up at all in the Lite version, like the edge of the bubble... or so i read, along with all the patching horror stories. I'll get to try soon!
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