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Kataapa
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Posted - 2009.01.23 00:34:00 -
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Admittedly, I'm not very computer literate about the configurations of my laptop, but I love to play EVE anyway. My concern is that with the new minimum SM2 requirement, I won't be able to use EVE anymore.
I currently have a laptop (about 1 1/2 years old) running in the basic version of the program. it's an HP Pavilion dv2500 with an AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-58 1.90 GHz processor, 2 GB memory, and an NVIDIA 7150M/nforce 630M with 287 MB Shared memory. I'm using the Vista operating system.
I'm not running on the premium version because with the classic version I usually am operating at 10 or less FPS, often only 3.0 fps. I have a sneaking suspicion that it's a VISTA problem, because EVE runs just fine on a desktop that I've got running XP (2nd account).
I've have no idea if the above hardware will support SM2 and wasn't able to find out anything about the video card on NVVIDA's web site. But I'd sure be disappointed to give up this account because of hardware limitations. |
Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Eclats de verre
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Posted - 2009.01.23 00:54:00 -
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That's great that eee pc can still run eve after this.
Before you move to SM3 as a minimum, look for SM3 small stuff like eee pc to be out and a bit cheaper than what a 1000 series would cost. Then, you may be good to go, well, I guess it's a reference for laptops.
You should seriously think about sending an eve newsletter to all active accounts NOW, so people who can't run it will have some time to choose and buy something to run eve.
Also, it would be good if people (at least those that don't know really what's in their computer) could download some program to check their computer specs. Include this in the newsletter too, that's useful.
With those two ideas, the whole playerbase can know very soon if their computer will run the premium lite client.
PS : I didn't read 9 pages, so people could have already pushed forward such ideas. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Lyssa T'Kran
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Posted - 2009.01.23 01:48:00 -
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Anyone know if the intel 945 chipset for laptops is supported? I can't find any definitely information.
I really don't want to have to buy a new laptop |
Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.01.23 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kataapa Admittedly, I'm not very computer literate about the configurations of my laptop, but I love to play EVE anyway. My concern is that with the new minimum SM2 requirement, I won't be able to use EVE anymore.
I currently have a laptop (about 1 1/2 years old) running in the basic version of the program. it's an HP Pavilion dv2500 with an AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-58 1.90 GHz processor, 2 GB memory, and an NVIDIA 7150M/nforce 630M with 287 MB Shared memory. I'm using the Vista operating system.
I'm not running on the premium version because with the classic version I usually am operating at 10 or less FPS, often only 3.0 fps. I have a sneaking suspicion that it's a VISTA problem, because EVE runs just fine on a desktop that I've got running XP (2nd account).
I've have no idea if the above hardware will support SM2 and wasn't able to find out anything about the video card on NVVIDA's web site. But I'd sure be disappointed to give up this account because of hardware limitations.
Originally by: Lyssa T'Kran Anyone know if the intel 945 chipset for laptops is supported? I can't find any definitely information.
I really don't want to have to buy a new laptop
Quote1: you could actually play Premium at reduced resolution...
Quote2: I answered this on another thread... 945 chipset is supposed to have GMA950 graphics which can run SM2.0...
both should be good to go after the update in March
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Highwind Cid
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Posted - 2009.01.23 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Well, my laptop was junk.
Thanks for the epiphany.
Please send replacement to the address on my account details. Thx.
Corrections have been made. |
Tabea Knute
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Posted - 2009.01.23 02:26:00 -
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Ok, I'm out. Nearly 3 years of playing and paying. This comes now to an end. Thank you very much CCP.
First, I like the classic client and the not so shiny graphics. It's a loss to the game in my eyes.
Second, I can not afford a new laptop or desktop computer. My option is only: Stop payment immediatly and switch to GTC until March 10.
It's your decision, your loss, not mine. Maybe it's time to switch to other games.
-1 paying customer. |
Malliw
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Posted - 2009.01.23 02:46:00 -
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CCP,
I appreciate the support effort there was so far for the Linux operating system. I appreciate the quest to move forward. I also appreciate the heads-up that you gave us.
You are obviously dodging the Linux question. We are paying customers just like everyone else. I don't appreciate the lack of anything that even resembles an attempt to answer the "what about Linux" question.
I gave Eve up before when I finally completely gave up on the Windows Operating system, and was very excited about the attempt to support Linux.
CCP you wouldn't believe the number of Linux users out there that only keep their Windows systems around to play games.
For me its simple. If Linux support is out then I'm out. I absolutely will not keep a Windows system around even for Eve. I will just be come one of your "3%-5%".
Believe it or not I keep in-touch with one of my son's who is a computer security expert for a very successful company, and the other who is in the Army by playing Eve with them on a regular schedule. It really burns me to have to give this up and so far I'm very disappointed with your apparent lack of concern for those of us who have Linux.
It would be nice if you would make an attempt to answer this question.
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minerboob
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Posted - 2009.01.23 03:07:00 -
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THIS IS NOT COOL!
As of the end of this year I need to pay... what? $700 for a new computer to play eve? F THAT! :P
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Leenaa
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Posted - 2009.01.23 03:22:00 -
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I'm out.
There was really no need for you to push this on us CCP. I'm all happy for those that can support Shader 2 and up. But I'm not one of them and I'm not about to go out and buy a couple GeForce 5/6 cards (and a new laptop) just to help you keep bragging about all your player concurrencies numbers (with NO lag to boot!)
Seems to me you are trying to keep your stock holder dividends up by reducing the amount of payroll you would need to maintain Classic Client. Great business move, poor customer service. But my experience is this is exactly what happens when a company grows to be very successful. They forget the people that got them there. Instead of Leenaa, I am now truly Caldari Citizen 8315678.
I'm sure my accounts leaving will be trivial, so I don't know why I even bother. |
Amar'u Deltmartuk
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Posted - 2009.01.23 03:49:00 -
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Again, I'd like to reiterate the point that there's a distinction between minimal *support* and *playability*. That is, I'd better not friggin lose FPS over having to go from Classic to your Premium Lite stuff...(intel x3100 laptop user here...)
Also, you'd I'd like to add in my support for the many subscribers who are running non-fleet/non-combat alts on their secondary low end machines (laptops); while some may be paying for those with ISK, there might be many who are still paying for those accounts out of pocket. Definitely be conscientious about your cost-benefit analysis here - and I can't repeat this enough: even if you implement some kind of Steam-style hardware spec sender, be careful about claimed support and playability - I'd bet my 1yr old laptop would get 1FPS running SM4 (or possibly even SM3) code, for example. |
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Amar'u Deltmartuk
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Posted - 2009.01.23 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Eleana Tomelac
You should seriously think about sending an eve newsletter to all active accounts NOW, so people who can't run it will have some time to choose and buy something to run eve.
Did you check your email yet? I got my newsletter at 2217 UTC :) |
MinorFreak
Amarr ADVANCED Combat and Engineering Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.23 04:08:00 -
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whaddya mean "continue to monitor trends on a regular basis"? monthly? yearly? till you damn well feel like it? flip a coin? Sounds to me like the end of next year is when your 'spin' is going to be complete and you'll foist this hardware upgrade on us with a "hardware companies have stopped support of [insert convenient statistic] and we're continuing as planned with no changes cuz we know best"
*shrug* why don't you guys just admit that you didn't make a proper vote. there's polls available on the forums. use it, don't waste our time with "we listen to the little people"...noone believes you.
It'll be a shame i can use my old 1999 computer to run alts on the side, even trial accounts, but *shrug* that's no loss. I'm just feeling pity for a company that's chomping on a bit over a plan to force it's customers to upgrade **** they really don't need to, just cuz you think you can convince all of us premium lite will run smoother on older models than classic.
your base assumption is that there's no need to explain why premium lite is better than classic (other than patting yourselves on the back for cutting down on your own staff loads) ______________________ Best darned links ingame and out (backup) |
T 2
Minmatar Tribal Core
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Posted - 2009.01.23 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Arelios
Originally by: T 2
**Quote cutted ** ... I think a "EVE-docked up" -client would be a very usefull thing in the future. With this client you could not undock your ship. It would be only to do the micromanagement, chatting and whatever can be done while not flying. With this - you would not have to have two full clients to develop with all the graphic stuff. The docked-up client dont need to have too much gfx in it. Just a interface to eve.
Please consider this when going forward with developing EVE. I feel that this kind of EVE-light client would be usefull to a lot of people out in the world.
Thats actually not a bad idea and I don't think it would be ridiculously hard to implement. The main reason for not wanting a skill queue was so players would have to login and interact with the world at least on some level, this would provide that plus more.
I'd think that an eve-light would solve quite a lot of the issues that people are having with the SM2 and the upgrade of computers. The light version would have very low requirements and it could be easily installed even to the odd internet-cafe computers so peeps could get ingame to change skills, hook up with corp mates in chat and spend half of their holidays in internet cafes tuning marketing orders.
Best Regards, T2 |
Sargeant HAmmer
Caldari Hammers Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.23 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Sargeant HAmmer on 23/01/2009 07:54:40 how the hell am i supposed to check for sm2, at least when you announced upgrade to sm3 you gave a link to a program that could tell you.
p.s. british players are paying more and more as is |
Galax Jin
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Posted - 2009.01.23 08:55:00 -
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As I see it CCP, you all love the new people that just got into EVE or came back to it from your advertising campaign. Most of them, like me, love the Idea of EVE. But what the @#$* are you trying to do, be like Microsoft and ram Vista down our throats? Saying we need to upgrade our computers. You see how that worked for them. I think your customer base will die off fast with that approach. Being compatible with 5 year old computers is still a need. Whomever you got your data from is not seeing the whole picture when it comes to upgrading computers. Here is some things that have not been taken into account.
1) Most of the world is in a recession. 2) Job market is shrinking. 3) People do not upgrade there computers to satisfy one game. 4) People play more than one game. 5) Graphics is eye-candy, not the most important aspect of a game.
Most importantly, the space pilot type games (STO, SGW, SWO), that are coming out this year have computer requirements of ONBOARD graphics, pentium II. And why do you think they have this as there minimum requirements?
It's because, if you keep upping the requirements for the game they will go find another game to play, not get a better computer. Especially if they already did this once for the game. |
Zeni Chan
Capital Experiments Infernal Experiments
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Posted - 2009.01.23 10:13:00 -
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While I do feel for the people who are going to not be able to follow the EvE client, I look forward to the new features they will be able to introduce.
To help my alliance mates who I know are not all computer types, I asked them to send me their make/model of video card or laptop and I will tell them what it will support. I have offered my hardware expertise to my friends to help them upgrade their video card if needed. If you have a desktop system then chances are very good for minimal cash you can upgrade it. SM 2.0 cards are really inexpensive. In fact I gave my old one ( Radeon x850 ) away to another EvE player in my corp since they are almost worth nothing they are so old.
I would go as far as to find out how many of us tech-rats have old SM 2.0 video cards we could simply give away to people who needed them. I can count 3 on my back desk right now. Yes, I mean you, the person with more computers in your house than people... See what you have in your drawer and ask around your corp or alliance to see who could use the hardware. I have an old AGP ATI All-In-Wonder 9800 around here somewhere that is SM 2.0 hardware, even have the remote control for it still. So dig you tech-rats and get rid of some of your hardware for a good reason.
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omgdutch2005
Gallente Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2009.01.23 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: ElMo's Ghost Sadly the laptop (Mobility Radeon 7500) that I run my 2nd account on doesn't support SM2. Depending on how my desktop (Radeon X1950 Pro) runs two clients on separate monitors I might just bump down to one account.
It's really a shame because I liked having 2 accounts open while being able to watch both screens. I'm at a point in my life where I don't really need to be buying upgraded gaming computers. I suppose the graphics upgrade will finally help me decide whether or not I really should be paying for 2 accounts.
Overall I'm happy the devs listened to the posts on the last blog but still a bit sad that I'll be forced down to 1 account. Life goes on.
i ran dual premium gfx on a x1600pro, worked just fine :) x1900 will do better |
StoneRhino
Ramm's RDI
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Posted - 2009.01.23 14:25:00 -
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So, let me get this straight... You want to cut your nose off in spite of your face? We're not talking missile nurf or ship nurf. We are talking about a serious threat to your (CCP's) wallet.
And it seems only two folks have mentioned in this post that economic strife is going to kill your player base if you change the hardware specs. They are exactly correct in this sense. I can tell you right now that the majority of the folks still TRYING to play classic client are on Intel Extreme 2 graphics chips, AGP based Radeon 9xxx series, or Nvidia 4xxx's.
Sure, you save tons of code by not having to support old hardware. I'd love to not have to burn up 1.2GB downloading premium client.
Look what happened when you stopped supporting windows 98. Two things happened: Loss of player base (10-20%), and slightly less buggy client. But still, the consequence was grave.
Oh, but wait, I forgot. Its things like this that drive the hardware industry.
Being an avid systems builder for basic gaming machines, this... is just sad.
Now, unless you really want to help folks upgrade their cards, you need to work out some kind of deal with card manufacturers. Thing's like a rebate, discount, 2-4 extra months of play for buying a card or something.
Now down to the real money. AGP cards that support SM2 are practically GONE from the market. When was the last time someone went PC building? Let me give you a hand here.
Radeon AGP HD3650 = 100$ Nvidia PCIE 8400GS = 30$ New motherboard, celeron processor, 2GB of DDR2-800, powersupply, case = 394$ for something that run vista just fine.
You tell me where this is going. But, I'm sorry folks, this whole post is going to fall on deaf ears. So its pointless to even discuss it. |
Aunicor
Caldari Atra Mortis Industries Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.23 15:01:00 -
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i have geforce 6600 fx will i need to change?? |
Ryfaen Ren
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Posted - 2009.01.23 15:41:00 -
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I am currently runing on a laptop as well. Has an ATI Radeon 9800 so at least it will still work in march as it supports shader 2.0 However I'll be gone in winter 2009 if this support is dropped. My laptop is one of 4 computers in the house and actually has the best specifications. No way will be able to justify an upgrade for at least 2 or 3 more years.
For now it would be great if you could create a small program that just tests the capabilities you use and could give a yes/no answer as to whether it will run the new "lite" version as well as listing the features that are missing. I find it very annoying when the client says I can't run premium graphics (even to see them since I'm sure I can't run them normally due to performance) but doesn't tell me why.
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alexxr
Gallente Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2009.01.23 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: alexxr on 23/01/2009 16:01:20 Well i was going to argue about not being able to support it as this comp has a Gforce 3 MX 440, but then i realized hey i am getting a new computer with a Geforce 9400 GT 512mb but i still feel for those of you who have the lower modules and like the idea of a second platform or site for which people can change skills/chat and maybe even check markets. It would help those that are on trips or away from home. Also what new space mmos are coming out besides Kotor? (sorry reference to last post as people kept mentioning competing games) |
Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2009.01.23 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Aunicor i have geforce 6600 fx will i need to change??
You won't need to change that one - it will continue to work just fine.
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Jim Rockford
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Posted - 2009.01.23 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Rockford on 23/01/2009 18:01:54 Lets see, $300 for a xbox, $400. for playstation 3 or 2 new computers to run my clients. I guess CCP doesn't want my money because there is no way I'm spending thousands to play Eve. There's no way I would be able to convince the wife of that. BTW, my accounts are out of pocket & getting tired of hearing the flack from my wife as it is
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Celaz
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Posted - 2009.01.23 19:58:00 -
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Yep, prolly the kiss of death for me too - no way can I afford to upgrade 3 cards. tbh the classic graphics worked just fine for me, why force the change? |
Jag Cancer
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Posted - 2009.01.23 20:11:00 -
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What I find quite interesting is the fact that they are advertising world records for concurent users. I suppose they should milk it now as I seriously suspect they won't be breaking that record again for a while.
My PC will be fine - however, I know 8 clients (over 6 people) IRL and know for a fact that 5 will stop paying: 2 older desktops and 3 laptops.
That's more than a 50% drop. And to be honest, I play MMOs for the social aspect so if my friends leave then I probably will. I'm guessing that I'm not the only person that plays in a RL group so...
I'm curious if CCP will release the subscription and concurrent user numbers in the months following Apochrypha.
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Andresky
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.23 20:30:00 -
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I've a GMA 950 and perhaps 10-15 FPS mostly. I don't thing FPS will be the same with "Premium Lite". I expect lower FPS... and it only supports Shader 2.0 without TnL.
The worldwide financial crisis won't allow any new and latest high end hardware for most players I think!
When will the "Premium Lite" be available on Singularity? |
xxxak
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Posted - 2009.01.23 22:40:00 -
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If any of you can read, you will know the following is true:
Almost any desktop made in the last 8-9 years can have a video card dropped in it for about $50/Euro50 that will allow it to run EVE Lite.
Some very old laptops cannot run EVE and cannot be upgraded. Most of the affected laptops are at least 4-5 years old and were fairly cheap when purchased.
ENTIRE new computers/laptops that can run EVE well can be purchased for $200-400.
Thus, my response: if you cannot afford the $50 to $400 to continue playing EVE, I don't care if you quit, you are a loser. |
Gargamell Smurf
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Posted - 2009.01.23 22:42:00 -
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FFS. I can't believe how many d+++++++s are whining about "have to Quit EVE, thanks a lot CCP". WTF?! DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE?!?! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT "SM2" is? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT KIND OF EQUIPMENT YOU HAVE IN YOUR COMPUTER?!?! The 2 or 3 people who are actually not able to run the new lite version are people who are very knowledgeable about computers and hardware. They have to be very competent with computers and hardware or they wouldn't even be able to play EVE on ancient stone age rigs! All you other D+++++++s will STILL BE ABLE TO PLAY EVE JUST FINE! I am REALLY impressed by those of you who say things like, 'i choose not to run the premium client.... now i am forced to quit'... -NEWS FLASH- If you have the option to run the Premium client on your current computer... THEN YOU WILL BE MORE THAN ABLE TO RUN "PREMIUM LITE"! It is made specifically for you! Or those of you who say things like 'my computer is like 2 years old... i can't afford to pay $500 for a new computer... duhhhhhh.... -NEWS FLASH- If your computer is only a couple years old, WTF would it not support the SM2 PREMIUM LITE?!?! Those are the computers that Premium Lite is MADE FOR! $500?!? WTF?!?! you can play EVE on a STINKING $100 computer!!!!!!!! You can put $20 into your mediocre rig and improve game play drastically! If you don't understand, then don't come and whine and make a fool of yourself. Just state what you have/ don't understand, and someone will explain it to you.
If you don't know if you will be able to run the new client, then you probably WILL be able to. Like i said, the people who are running rigs to old to handle the upgrade, are already quite aware of their status and aware of just how little it will take to upgrade their old hobbyhorse. Everyone else, Stop embarrassing yourselves please! |
DarkStar251
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Posted - 2009.01.23 23:02:00 -
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The most amusing thing is that almost everyone worried about if they can run it is posting replies like "I have a Core i7 Quad core and Geforce GTX295 Quad SLI and am worried I wont be able to run premium...."
Yes, the many 6600s out there will run premium, AND premium lite.
Yes, any Geforce 5 (including the ancient and **** Geforce FX5200) will run premium lite.
Yes, your random Geforce 7150 integrated chipset would run both premium and premium lite.
You may currently run classic as you like to run eleventy billion accounts on a 2 mhz CPU, and avoid Premium for this reason, but you havent tried Premium Lite yet, it may well be just as lightweight as Classic.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Marshal on 24/01/2009 00:44:36
Originally by: Gargamell Smurf -NEWS FLASH- If your computer is only a couple years old, WTF would it not support the SM2 PREMIUM LITE?!?! Those are the computers that Premium Lite is MADE FOR!
-NEWS FLASH- He didn't try to seriously read this topic, and the precedent one too I guess.
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