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Shibbykiko
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:29:00 -
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Why not just get rid of concord and make it so you can't lock other people in empire? Thats where this game seems to be heading, it's becoming zone based PvP because care bears are so adamant about have 0 RISK even if it means almost 0 reward. I don't understand why my play style is being forced to change, because people are so anti pvp in a pvp game? (And by my play style I mean actually having the option of attacking and killing some body in empire if I think they are an enemy logistics corp)
I remember starting this game years ago, and there was actually threat that you could be blown up everywhere you went... now its basically none in empire what so ever. It makes the game bland and boring.
So CCP, why is this cold dark evil pvp game, a warm fuzzy carebear land everywhere thats not low/null sec? And why is there so much reward with absolutely 0 risk?
Long story short, Nerf Empire, Nerf Bear rewards, buff 0.0 and low sec so people go there and can be shot. |
Dau Imperius
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:30:00 -
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No. |
Fail Cat
Sad Panda Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Fail Cat on 19/01/2009 18:32:19 Edited by: Fail Cat on 19/01/2009 18:32:06 Why not? bears are ruining this space PVP game...
I agreeee
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:33:00 -
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I hope that if the day of PvP reckoning comes that CCP has the decency to implement OP's suggestion. Having CONCORD remain in-game when no one actually has a chance of successfully suiciding anyone with anything would serve only to mock older players. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 19/01/2009 18:34:35 how is eve zone pvp?
what changed in the last week? did I miss something?
oh you mean the fact that you take a bigger sec hit? yeah no one cares, and ncarebears still get killed everyday in highsec. |
Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:34:00 -
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Where is Khemul and his dead horse gif when you need it. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:35:00 -
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Agreed. Let's stop the increasingly threadbare pretence that hi-sec has non-consensual PvP, and change the PvE rewards there to reflect it's "starter area" status. |
Mire Stoude
Cash Money Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:36:00 -
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I like shooting newbies too! |
Fail Cat
Sad Panda Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 19/01/2009 18:34:35 how is eve zone pvp?
what changed in the last week? did I miss something?
oh you mean the fact that you take a bigger sec hit? yeah no one cares, and ncarebears still get killed everyday in highsec.
You haven't tried too suicide anyone lately have you? Idgaf about sec hits, the fact that you are insta jammed/scrammed/webbed/neuted and wtfbbq pwned in maybe 3 seconds is what killed it. Now GTFO. |
Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:41:00 -
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They're not carebears. They're merely protecting their primary goals. Just ask Malcanis. I'm sure he'll agree with me. |
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Qordel
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:44:00 -
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Pirate tears fuel my freighter. Mmmm.. Tasty. |
Shibbykiko
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Shibbykiko on 19/01/2009 18:47:04 Im not a pirate... with the broken wardec system, and care bears being safe from any sort of exploit punishments by corp hopping, its basically impossible to stop enemy logistics. CCP can you atleast give us a working war dec system?
And or/ban care bears violating the rules? |
Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:47:00 -
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Ganking carebears who can't possibly fight back != "PVP"
Just as "Shooting fish in a barrel" != "Fishing"
The problem is NOT the fact that you can't suicide unsuspecting carebears. The problem is:
a) People can stay in Non-FW Starter corps FOREVER.
b) Wardec system is completely broken and easily avoided.
Remove A and fix B and you can have all the non-consensual PVP you want.
Savvy? |
Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fail Cat
Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 19/01/2009 18:34:35 how is eve zone pvp?
what changed in the last week? did I miss something?
oh you mean the fact that you take a bigger sec hit? yeah no one cares, and ncarebears still get killed everyday in highsec.
You haven't tried too suicide anyone lately have you? Idgaf about sec hits, the fact that you are insta jammed/scrammed/webbed/neuted and wtfbbq pwned in maybe 3 seconds is what killed it. Now GTFO.
So suiciding is pvp now instead of the greif tool it was before? I guess you call hunting squirrels with an automatic shotgun an hourable duel instead of a slaughter. Want to pvp in empire then go wardec someone or if you are a soloish type of person join the privateers as they take anyone and have fun too. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Skye They're not carebears. They're merely protecting their primary goals. Just ask Malcanis. I'm sure he'll agree with me.
As long as they are protecting their primary goal and not asking CCP to protect it for them then I have absolutely no issue with "carebears" whatsoever. In fact I'd say that if they're protecting their goals themselves then by definition they aren't carebears. It's the ones who run squeaking to the forums and the GMs and the devs for ever more protection who are carebears.
Feel free to spend as much time as you like searching for some post of mine that contradicts this basic principle.
Or do what you normally do, and imagine me saying something that contradicts it, and then post as if I had in fact said it. So much easier 'winning' your imaginary arguments against my imaginary posts, isn't it? Who needs "facts"? |
YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:49:00 -
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Why ***** so much about the baers?
Ever thought of what you would fly without them?
Feel like mining 3 days to replace a lost battleship or paying ridiciulous prices for modules?
Care bearing is what keeps the economy going. Without bears you'd be PvP'ing in noob ships in no time. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen Ganking carebears who can't possibly fight back != "PVP"
Just as "Shooting fish in a barrel" != "Fishing"
have you ever actually been fishing? Do you know how most fish are caught? |
Qordel
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Bish Ounen Ganking carebears who can't possibly fight back != "PVP"
Just as "Shooting fish in a barrel" != "Fishing"
have you ever actually been fishing? Do you know how most fish are caught?
By pretending to be an underage girl on the internet and seducing them into coming to your house where that one guy can ambush them on national television? |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Bish Ounen Ganking carebears who can't possibly fight back != "PVP"
Just as "Shooting fish in a barrel" != "Fishing"
have you ever actually been fishing? Do you know how most fish are caught?
By pretending to be an underage girl on the internet and seducing them into coming to your house where that one guy can ambush them on national television?
I believe that is the greenpeace-approved method. |
Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: YunFu Yan Why ***** so much about the baers?
Ever thought of what you would fly without them?
Feel like mining 3 days to replace a lost battleship or paying ridiciulous prices for modules?
Care bearing is what keeps the economy going. Without bears you'd be PvP'ing in noob ships in no time.
Not all carebears are industrialists. Not all industrialists are carebears.
Now repeat that over and over again until you get a clue. |
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.19 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Bish Ounen Ganking carebears who can't possibly fight back != "PVP"
Just as "Shooting fish in a barrel" != "Fishing"
have you ever actually been fishing? Do you know how most fish are caught?
Yes. Fly fishing, Bobber/worm, lure/spinning reel AND deep sea Marlin fishing.
Oddly, none of them involved barrels, firearms, or foregone conclusions.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Bish Ounen Ganking carebears who can't possibly fight back != "PVP"
Just as "Shooting fish in a barrel" != "Fishing"
have you ever actually been fishing? Do you know how most fish are caught?
Yes. Fly fishing, Bobber/worm, lure/spinning reel AND deep sea Marlin fishing.
Oddly, none of them involved barrels, firearms, or foregone conclusions.
I think malcanis was aluding to a deep sea trawler with its huge arse nets that don't give fish a chance. However that is not applicable to suiciding in empire but a bubblecamp in 0.0 sounds moar like it. The dynamite is a perfect example as some poor fish(miner) minding his own business doing what fish do gets slapped in the face with a huge shockwave (smartbomb) and stunned or killed.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen Ganking carebears who can't possibly fight back != "PVP"
Just as "Shooting fish in a barrel" != "Fishing"
The problem is NOT the fact that you can't suicide unsuspecting carebears. The problem is:
a) People can stay in Non-FW Starter corps FOREVER.
b) Wardec system is completely broken and easily avoided.
Remove A and fix B and you can have all the non-consensual PVP you want.
Savvy?
maybe players should be forced to into FW after a month. then everyone would have war targets to shoot at!
I mean your school should kick you out after a while.
And if you don't join a militia a player should be able to go it corpless, but when your corpless concord won't protect you because your not with anyone paying them.
But honestly think about it, if everyone had to join FW, then no one would be in safe space. pirates would still ***** and moan about carebears but those carebear would have to try eve with someone out there able to open fire at them at any time.
I think moving playing into FW is the best way to do this.
basicly empire wars without the ability to have aplayer corp declare war on them. It's sort safe, but not :P
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Shibbykiko
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: YunFu Yan Why ***** so much about the baers?
Ever thought of what you would fly without them?
Feel like mining 3 days to replace a lost battleship or paying ridiciulous prices for modules?
Care bearing is what keeps the economy going. Without bears you'd be PvP'ing in noob ships in no time.
I make my own ships in 0.0 this would not effect me and if anything it would bring more industry back to 0.0, most likely making ships more available in 0.0.
Wouldn't effect me one bit. And this isn't about just popping n00bs, with the current broken war dec system, and the bears crying for concord buffs, its impossible to shoot logistics. If I see a ship I know is carrying stront or just anything that would benefit the current target I can't do anything... i can dec that corp but chances are its the n00b corp or they just corp hop.
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Shibbykiko
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen Ganking carebears who can't possibly fight back != "PVP"
Just as "Shooting fish in a barrel" != "Fishing"
The problem is NOT the fact that you can't suicide unsuspecting carebears. The problem is:
a) People can stay in Non-FW Starter corps FOREVER.
b) Wardec system is completely broken and easily avoided.
Remove A and fix B and you can have all the non-consensual PVP you want.
Savvy?
Its not like shooting fish in a barrel. Which IMO is fun. But its like fishing in a pond with a really big net, which IS fishing.
________________________________________ Care bears should be banned!!! |
Mikalya
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
As long as they are protecting their primary goal and not asking CCP to protect it for them then I have absolutely no issue with "carebears" whatsoever. In fact I'd say that if they're protecting their goals themselves then by definition they aren't carebears. It's the ones who run squeaking to the forums and the GMs and the devs for ever more protection who are carebears.
Funny thing is I see more people whining about the Bears than bears whining about them What does that make them? By your definition that makes them Bears too...
Not counting yourself in that group as I've never seen you gripe for CCP's help. But the OP is definately in that category
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shibbykiko
Originally by: Bish Ounen Ganking carebears who can't possibly fight back != "PVP"
Just as "Shooting fish in a barrel" != "Fishing"
The problem is NOT the fact that you can't suicide unsuspecting carebears. The problem is:
a) People can stay in Non-FW Starter corps FOREVER.
b) Wardec system is completely broken and easily avoided.
Remove A and fix B and you can have all the non-consensual PVP you want.
Savvy?
Its not like shooting fish in a barrel. Which IMO is fun. But its like fishing in a pond with a really big net, which IS fishing.
Meh, it's only fun if you shoot fish in a barrel "Mythbusters style" and use a minigun.
Seriously, technically putting agiant net into a tiny pond (or in the ocean) is NOT fishing. Technically, it's called "trawling".
Either way, the analogy stands, even when "trawling" the fish CAN get away. They just don't very often. Shooting fish in a barrel is pretty much a foregone conclusion. Even using a .22 or a 9mm, the shock wave alone will kill any fish in the barrel.
Suicide ganking haulers and mining ships isn't PVP. It's good for a few lol's, but that's it. REAL PVP comes when the enemy can and does shoot back, even if you outmatch them in every way, there is a chance (although small) they might kill you or get away. MUCH more enjoyable than a suicide gank.
I refer back to my original post. We need to push people out of non-FW NPC corps after a set amount of time (1 month? 3?) and into a FW corp or a player run corp. Even if they start their own one-man corp, at least then they are fully taking part in all aspects of EvE.
The wardec system also needs to be fixed, to both actively prevent corp-hopping, AND to discourage wardec greifing. I posted on this issue before.
Until these things are fixed, there will be little to no PVP in hisec. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadI |
Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Qordel Pirate tears fuel my freighter. Mmmm.. Tasty.
Pirate tears can cure Cancer...Too bad Real Pirates Don't Cry.
CCP Atlas - The Short Story - "With Quantum Rise, we kind of messed up the performance of the EVE client."
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mikalya
Originally by: Malcanis
As long as they are protecting their primary goal and not asking CCP to protect it for them then I have absolutely no issue with "carebears" whatsoever. In fact I'd say that if they're protecting their goals themselves then by definition they aren't carebears. It's the ones who run squeaking to the forums and the GMs and the devs for ever more protection who are carebears.
Funny thing is I see more people whining about the Bears than bears whining about them What does that make them? By your definition that makes them Bears too...
Not counting yourself in that group as I've never seen you gripe for CCP's help. But the OP is definately in that category
Ah you must have missed the forum fun this summer then. Bear tears abounded. |
Maren Maen
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Posted - 2009.01.19 19:49:00 -
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You jokers really just don't get it do you...
If you try to force people to play eve "your way" they'll just say fu and leave, and then you'll just be whining about not having unsuspecting noobcakes to shoot at while they're having fun in some other game.
The real 'problem' is that you all are here whining instead of playing the game. Kinda surprising really since you people are supposed to be the tough guy "pvp" crowd and here you are, waaa waaa waaa'ing away. Yes, I find it amusing. Yes, I am a carebear. And yes, I've been suicide ganked since the last patch. That guy figured out how to do it; if you can't, I'll shed a tear for you if I can find a spare one.
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