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baltec1
R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:16:00 -
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I still see people running around with billions in their untanked hauler cargo holds.
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eliminator2
Gallente Young Enterprise Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:17:00 -
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agreed this game is meant to be risk v reward
but for carebears its just reward which is not how eve is meant to be
i suggest people join darkfall when that comes out since it has full loot full pvp no safe areas
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 20/01/2009 11:18:57 Now a question for those saying carebears have it 0 risk: When someone says that EVE is consensual PVP, don't you lot say "you're safe nowhere!"
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shibbykiko Why not just get rid of concord and make it so you can't lock other people in empire? Thats where this game seems to be heading, it's becoming zone based PvP because care bears are so adamant about have 0 RISK even if it means almost 0 reward. I don't understand why my play style is being forced to change, because people are so anti pvp in a pvp game? (And by my play style I mean actually having the option of attacking and killing some body in empire if I think they are an enemy logistics corp)
I remember starting this game years ago, and there was actually threat that you could be blown up everywhere you went... now its basically none in empire what so ever. It makes the game bland and boring.
So CCP, why is this cold dark evil pvp game, a warm fuzzy carebear land everywhere thats not low/null sec? And why is there so much reward with absolutely 0 risk?
Long story short, Nerf Empire, Nerf Bear rewards, buff 0.0 and low sec so people go there and can be shot.
"buff 0.0". hehe, have you been to 0.0? Its pretty good I will tell ya, far better then empire in terms or rewards vs risks. More risks and more rewards that is.
Empire is fine, its a nice place for thoose who like a calmer game, and for thoose who trades and suchs. Its never 100% safe, and never should be, that woul ruin the game.
And war declerations? Go do it against someone that actually got a few members and can put up a fight, otherwise you are gonna run around empire chasing shuttles. Fun!
Low sec pirating? Its fine, you get a bigger sec hit, but who cares? And if you really don't want to decent to quickly, just don't pod. But podding is fun, and seeing people angry can be fun, tho I perfer thay are civil about it, it is after all a game, not your real life.
So before you make any more comments, I suggest you avtaully go play the game, or go back to WoW.
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Trakidar Jr
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:47:00 -
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I am not a PVP'er. Never was. I guess you could call me a carebear. I like to mine, build and trade, if I feel like shooting stuff, I look for a Security agent and run some missions (with the added benefit that I get standing). Play EVE for 3 years now, on and off. And it's quite funny that I usually take a break after being blown up and podded in high sec while mining in a barge with no guns at all.
Not once was I attacked while flying a fighting ship. Not once. Funny thing is, a couple of times I even dared the perpetrator to make a jump or 2 and meet in low sec for a real PVP fight. Has any of these so called PVP'ers ever joined in at low sec? I don't think I need to tell you that the answer is: NO!
This is not an offence to REAL PVP'ers. But I think that most of those don't come to the forums crying kill Concord.
PVPing Asteroid belts since 2005.
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Useless alt
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Useless alt on 20/01/2009 12:16:49 Oh, boy a long list of tears and cries.
Suicide ganking is not a game style it is a pest to anyone in the game. I mean here youa are in a worthless shuttle with no cargo just moving from one system to the next and *poof* back in the station where you started because some "pirate" let rip his smartbombs of doom... that does not add anything to the game nor does it benefit anyone other then the 14 year old having a party in his pants seeing someone else loose a ship.
As for real PvP in high sec yes it can be done in a war, no it cannot bedone when the other party does not want to fight... why not? Look at your own post and see how upset you are that your "play style" as you call it is forced to change. That is why people should be able to avoid wars and not get in them without actually wanting to.
The thing that disturbes me most about you and other self proclaimed "pirates" is that you seem to prefer blowing up ships that have no means of defending them selfs. And you get offended when anyone calls you a coward... if you are such a great pirate why do you insist on CCP supplying you with an endless string of easy targets? Why don't you learn how to PvP and go out to actually fight some one? Oh I know that is not your play style your play style is sitting at a gate blowing up random defenceless ships hoping they drop something that is worth more then your ship...
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Gonada
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:16:00 -
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look ma, yet another carebear whiner post to destroy the game!
Please, jump into traffic
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Karii Ildarian
Caldari M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:43:00 -
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Here is the fix:
1. Remove Concord, only faction Navies, no change to current Faction Navy mechanics.
2. Make bounty system solely based on illegal acts, NPC generated.
3. These bounties may be worked off, by the player, using the same mechanic as is currently used to regain sec status.
4. Upon being podded, the criminal loses the number of SP equal to the bounty, in ISK, on his head at the time.
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Exlegion
Caldari New Light
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Gnomes Rock So because carebears are whiner pre-madonnas who are ascared of risking pixels in a game, everyone else has to follow their playstyle?
Eventually, we'll just say FU and leave. Then CCP can be proud of their second-job isk grinding game.
I see this being said over and over again by a few and it just isn't true. Stop trying to associate whiners with carebears. Non-carebears whine just as much. If you want to seem objective you must count all whines, not just those that you don't benefit from.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Exlegion
Caldari New Light
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Posted - 2009.01.20 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Exlegion on 20/01/2009 13:01:03
Originally by: Moroder
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Bish Ounen Ganking carebears who can't possibly fight back != "PVP"
Just as "Shooting fish in a barrel" != "Fishing"
have you ever actually been fishing? Do you know how most fish are caught?
THIS
Eve is about Risk vs Reward. If you're looking for a game more akin to easy fishing (ie, with one net catching loads of fish) Eve is not the game for you.
If you don't like empire, then try low sec or even 0.0, where the rewards are better. Careful though, as players do tend to shoot back.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
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The Tzar
Malicious Intentions The Church.
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Posted - 2009.01.20 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Maren Maen You jokers really just don't get it do you...
If you try to force people to play eve "your way" they'll just say fu and leave, and then you'll just be whining about not having unsuspecting noobcakes to shoot at while they're having fun in some other game.
The real 'problem' is that you all are here whining instead of playing the game. Kinda surprising really since you people are supposed to be the tough guy "pvp" crowd and here you are, waaa waaa waaa'ing away. Yes, I find it amusing. Yes, I am a carebear. And yes, I've been suicide ganked since the last patch. That guy figured out how to do it; if you can't, I'll shed a tear for you if I can find a spare one.
I think the argument is that the carebears had enough protection before the QR agility/concord buff. Now it is almost essential to have a triple boosted HIC to catch anything sub-BS size without a bubble.
Contrary to what you have posted I'm almost positive that the 'tough guy pvp crowd' prefer to have engagements against other 'tough guys' rather than 'unsuspecting noobcakes'.
I for one would like the latter types to do as you suggest and for them to say fu and leave. They do nothing but slowly turn one of the last bastions of MMOPVP into another 'lets see how much gold i can make' game.
Is empire not enough for those that wish lowrisk? Does the tutorial not warn new players of the risks involved with the different sec status of systems? Are there not modules to help you escape from said 'tough guys'? Can you not, as the tough guys do, fly with protection and comrades?
I have nothing in the slightest against players who don't wish to PvP. The other areas of the game are as essential to the EvE economy as PvP is.
The fact that PvP has seen nerf after nerf after nerf (apart from scripted HIC's) and carebear automated/computer controlled protection has seen buff after buff shows an alarmingly WOW-like trend.
I wait for the day when EWAR is changed to some sort of spell that the pilot casts...
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Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.01.20 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: The Tzar
Contrary to what you have posted I'm almost positive that the 'tough guy pvp crowd' prefer to have engagements against other 'tough guys' rather than 'unsuspecting noobcakes'.
The type that go looking for PVP in highsec are not looking for other "tough guys." Trust me. |
Onyx Celestia
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Posted - 2009.01.20 16:20:00 -
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"PvPers" are in 0.0 and low sec, hunting targets who can fight back.
"Gankers looking for defenseless targets" go after industrialists and new players in empire.
See the difference? And then they have the nerve to put down carebears, who, when they are looking for a PvP fight, join FW instead (at least it's a fair fight between sides that are both flying fighting ships).
I think we can see that CCP has things under control, though, and silly whines about removing Concord have been ignored all these years for a reason: There is already PvP a-plenty in FW, low sec and 0.0 for those who are looking for the real thing. End of story. |
Mikalya
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.01.20 16:21:00 -
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Napro
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.20 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gnomes Rock
So because carebears are whiner pre-madonnas who are ascared of risking pixels in a game, everyone else has to follow their playstyle?
Eventually, we'll just say FU and leave. Then CCP can be proud of their second-job isk grinding game.
Yeah... or just move to low-sec and quit whining?
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.01.20 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Onyx Celestia "PvPers" are in 0.0 and low sec, hunting targets who can fight back.
"Gankers looking for defenseless targets" go after industrialists and new players in empire.
See the difference? And then they have the nerve to put down carebears, who, when they are looking for a PvP fight, join FW instead (at least it's a fair fight between sides that are both flying fighting ships).
I think we can see that CCP has things under control, though, and silly whines about removing Concord have been ignored all these years for a reason: There is already PvP a-plenty in FW, low sec and 0.0 for those who are looking for the real thing. End of story.
/thread tbqfh
Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change. |
Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2009.01.20 20:26:00 -
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Most "PVP" corps/alliances are nothing more then, "hey we rule, we just sat on a gate and ganked that hauler with 30-50 ships..."
The act of FINDING a target, being sneaky enough to nab them before they: A: warp B: cloak C: log Then killing it quick enough before their buddies come in with way more numbers is much more of a "pvp" experience then what most of these "gank bears" call pvp.
Nothing is more thrilling then getting around a massive gate camp in 0.0 hostile territory and killing 1, 2, or 5 of their corp/alliance mates before they realize wtf just happened and chase your ass 10 jumps while you are laughing your butt off.
Or using strategy in an empire war to defeat WAAAAAY more targets with ECM advantage and dps advantage and have them scream bloody murder that it's unfair because you have more skill points when it was actually the tactics that won the fight.
Gank bears, get rid of them and this game will improve. |
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