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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.01.22 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Mecinia Lua CCP is a multinational corp.
It has offices in England, United States, China in addition to Iceland.
It's hard to know how their Icelandic employees have been affected. It would depend on how easily they can change euros and dollars for krona.
However considering that all monies are paid in euro or dollars it is probably that the main company is well enough off. I'm sure they lost some money in the Icelandic bank failures but overall they are probably in good shape compared to most Icelanders.
This is going way off topic, but it bears mentioning that previously there were problems with converting USD and EUR to Krona, as the national banking system was basically restricting such conversion to keep the ISK from completely crashing. AFAIK CCP (along with others) *****ed, and the government relented. I haven't heard any stories as of late, so I can only assume that everything is once again flowing well in the CCP accounting department.
And although people do like to overestimate the importance of CCP to Iceland (<50mil USD/year in revenue, and that doesn't all come home) they are one of only a small number of non-seafood companies that are bringing money in to the country. Many of the Icelandic businesses are either banking (which went bust), local services (which are bust because no one has any money) or Iceland's historic seafood business. They're not nearly big enough to make the government bend to their will, but they're on the short-list of Icelandic multi-national companies that export something other than seafood, which is of great interest to the government.
Oh, and in case it hasn't been made clear, leaving Iceland was a threat that the government folded to. They let up on their restrictions against currency conversion (as mentioned above) which was the cause of CCP threatening to leave in the first place.
Both of us were on topic :)
Basically we just proved CCP is good :) |
Darwin Duck
A Quest Millitia
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:24:00 -
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The finacial crises in Iceland does not hit CCP, since most their customers come from abroad. So eve though Icelandic people have to cut back on spending most of CCP's customers do not. |
Darwin Duck
A Quest Millitia
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Undertow Latheus 250k subscribers, each paying 15$ a month...
3.75 million dollars a month... if they were going bankrupt i dont know where all that money would be going, especially for a relatively small company.
Over 300 devs, thats pretty damn much for a MMO. SWG has a skeleton team of about 10-15 devs. |
Silver Night
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:33:00 -
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The ISK being weak actually puts CCP in a better position. Virtually all of their revenue is in the stronger dollar and euro while much of their expenses are in the ISK. They are probably, in an absolute sense, making more money now, particularly basing from Iceland. --------------
The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
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Faint Signal
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Undertow Latheus 250k subscribers, each paying 15$ a month...
3.75 million dollars a month... if they were going bankrupt i dont know where all that money would be going, especially for a relatively small company.
Ze Fishtank. |
Milano
PAK
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vabjekf they should spend that money on developing a transparent frictionless surface so their stupid fish tank camera lens stays clean.
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem european dollars.
wai-huh? |
Darwin Duck
A Quest Millitia
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Posted - 2009.01.22 19:11:00 -
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I'm making them in my basement and trade some to him for euro. don't say anything. |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.22 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Leaving Eve
Originally by: Ocih
Originally by: Cibo Seidensha The whole point of ghost training was, that those alts were NOT subbed...
I agree but instead of gaining 3 to 6 months a year in paid sub, they lost 12. Bad economy, left with additional cost options customers dropped the alt. The plan backfired.
CCP will never admit if they made a mistake. Ever.
Period. |
Ehn Roh
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Posted - 2009.01.22 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Barbens Take EVE's active subscriptions, multiply it by 14.95 a month and you get a gross of what CCP makes in a month form EVE. Take out the taxes and other fees, and your left with well over $3m a month from this game. I dont think CCP spends $3m a month. Even at $2m they couldnt spend all of that. CCP will stay afloat.
Don't underestimate a panicking government's capacity for looting businesses and engaging in general tax-pwnage. Foreign currency should easily keep CCP afloat, but that isn't their main risk. |
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.01.22 22:01:00 -
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Almost none of CCPs revenue is in ISK (the real kind), most of it is in Euros and $US, besides; they would just be bought if they were bankrupt (provided there isn't something in Icelandic law that would allow them to restructure).... and any potential buyer would likely look at the fact that the current dev team has kept revenue and subscribers growing throughout EVE's life which is practically an inexplicable anomaly in the MMO indusrty. |
Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ehn Roh
Originally by: Barbens Take EVE's active subscriptions, multiply it by 14.95 a month and you get a gross of what CCP makes in a month form EVE. Take out the taxes and other fees, and your left with well over $3m a month from this game. I dont think CCP spends $3m a month. Even at $2m they couldnt spend all of that. CCP will stay afloat.
Don't underestimate a panicking government's capacity for looting businesses and engaging in general tax-pwnage. Foreign currency should easily keep CCP afloat, but that isn't their main risk.
tax ownage still would not bother ccp, there servers are all in the UK, they would simply move there office from iceland to another country with hardly any impact on the game. |
Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.22 23:23:00 -
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2004 called - it wants its rumors about immiment CCP/EVE death back.
Re MMOs in general and EVE in particular not growing: http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html
It's the weirdest thing that people on this forum keep claiming that EVE is a small niche game and stagnating or even shrinking when in fact it keeps growing all the time (only real slow-growth phase was back when SWG appeared) and is in fact one of the very biggest and most successful of all MMOs.
As has been already mentioned CCP gets paid in $ and Ç - which means more ISK than ever before.
I always took the announcements about a possible move away from Iceland as a threat against the Icelandic government to relax money restrictions. No doubt working as intended.
The server cluster has been in UK from the beginning. So even if there where a move of the HQ to another country there is no need to unplug any servers. And as the pound has lost value vs Ç CCP might even save on bandwidth and datacenter bills.
Meanwhile economic bad times are often good for the games industry. People need to kill more "free" time while costs are being kept down. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back!
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Raymon James
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.01.23 00:26:00 -
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ok point by point
1) the servers are in England not iceland(thank god) 2) as odd as it sounds CCP and others (including almost all of their fishing fleet) bascialy threatend to leave if the goverment did not stop acting like a bunch of idiots.. .
and won
3)CCP has ~300 employees while SWG (which incidentaly currently is less than 100k subs from all accounts(and if some sources can be belived they have ~ 54k subs) has a Development staff of about 20, in part because SOE (the parent company over the SWG division of SOE) coveres the Operations, System and server management, Marketing, Customer suport and billing, and other jobs.
http://mmogdata.voig.com/voig/ContentList/MMOGDATA/Charts/7.ViewChart?aLanguage=en-us&a5Years=Y
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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ocih Ghost training 'fixed' at a bad time hurt thier alt subs. They won't admit it but it's there in the tea leaves.
Die? No. All MMO's are in decline. There is simply no new blood coming in. We steal from this game, they still from that guy and that guy steals subs from us. There isn't much EvE can do about that. We are too old to bring in new blood. CCP could.. make a new game I suppose. Someone needs to. Not another cardboard cut out one either. Otherwise EvE will shrink up and die. Just because it's an MMO. Good bad or otherwise.
Yeah 48,000+ online last week. Time to switch tea leaves and whatever other leaves you be smokin' too.
Maybe you could enlighten us with some proof of your crazy hypothosis. Really, a link to some factual information that backs up your bs.
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Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher
Originally by: Ocih Ghost training 'fixed' at a bad time hurt thier alt subs. They won't admit it but it's there in the tea leaves.
Die? No. All MMO's are in decline. There is simply no new blood coming in. We steal from this game, they still from that guy and that guy steals subs from us. There isn't much EvE can do about that. We are too old to bring in new blood. CCP could.. make a new game I suppose. Someone needs to. Not another cardboard cut out one either. Otherwise EvE will shrink up and die. Just because it's an MMO. Good bad or otherwise.
Yeah 48,000+ online last week. Time to switch tea leaves and whatever other leaves you be smokin' too.
Maybe you could enlighten us with some proof of your crazy hypothosis. Really, a link to some factual information that backs up your bs.
wtf does fact have to do with EvE forums? Been here long? It's text based PvP where one liners and flame warriors come to annoy the annoyed.
I could use examples like all the people I play with have alts and most of them are dsabled accounts right now but I have no way to prove that to the forum cop that thinks I owe him an explanation. But that's not really what you wanted to know anyway. You were just trying to get a jolt and look important or some ****.
Maybe an 8 year old some where will think you are cool. If you haven't been banned from playgrounds yet.
Care for another round? |
KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2009.01.23 13:47:00 -
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Im sure iceland will be Ok in 1-2 years , iirc russian overlord Putin waiting with a big fat check to buy iceland
Originally by: Kira Novia
Quote: "One year ago, Iceland was named the most desirable country in the world. Today, its economy has been devastated by the catastrophic collapse of its three largest banks. Unemployment rose 45% between November and December, and a recent survey indicated that 40% of households and 70% of businesses were technically bankrupt.
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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2009.01.23 14:39:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ocih
Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher
Originally by: Ocih Ghost training 'fixed' at a bad time hurt thier alt subs. They won't admit it but it's there in the tea leaves.
Die? No. All MMO's are in decline. There is simply no new blood coming in. We steal from this game, they still from that guy and that guy steals subs from us. There isn't much EvE can do about that. We are too old to bring in new blood. CCP could.. make a new game I suppose. Someone needs to. Not another cardboard cut out one either. Otherwise EvE will shrink up and die. Just because it's an MMO. Good bad or otherwise.
Yeah 48,000+ online last week. Time to switch tea leaves and whatever other leaves you be smokin' too.
Maybe you could enlighten us with some proof of your crazy hypothosis. Really, a link to some factual information that backs up your bs.
wtf does fact have to do with EvE forums? Been here long? It's text based PvP where one liners and flame warriors come to annoy the annoyed.
I could use examples like all the people I play with have alts and most of them are dsabled accounts right now but I have no way to prove that to the forum cop that thinks I owe him an explanation. But that's not really what you wanted to know anyway. You were just trying to get a jolt and look important or some ****.
Maybe an 8 year old some where will think you are cool. If you haven't been banned from playgrounds yet.
Care for another round?
That's it, that's all you got. A bunch of arm waving?
You post a bunch of drivel that you can't back up and then respond with a RAWR?
Sorry, I'm not intimidated. Still waiting for you to back up your statement. "All the people you play with" could be 2 people. |
Doppleganger
Minmatar Libera Mentem Tuam
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Posted - 2009.01.23 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Undertow Latheus 250k subscribers, each paying 15$ a month...
3.75 million dollars a month... if they were going bankrupt i dont know where all that money would be going, especially for a relatively small company.
Seriously?? Have you seen how much they drink? I'm suprised they are not bankrupt already....
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.23 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Doppleganger
Originally by: Undertow Latheus 250k subscribers, each paying 15$ a month...
3.75 million dollars a month... if they were going bankrupt i dont know where all that money would be going, especially for a relatively small company.
Seriously?? Have you seen how much they drink? I'm suprised they are not bankrupt already....
that just oveur |
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2009.01.23 17:42:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Jana Clant
Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem [...]european dollars.
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Doppleganger
Minmatar Libera Mentem Tuam
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Posted - 2009.01.23 17:42:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Armoured C that just oveur
I know he probably consumes 3/4 of that himself leaving all the underlings to fight for the rest.
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Mirana Niranne
Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.01.23 17:46:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Darwin Duck
Over 300 devs, thats pretty damn much for a MMO. SWG has a skeleton team of about 10-15 devs.
SWG is also a terrible game. Eve is not. Perhaps you are seeing a connection there. |
Mithos Victus
Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.01.23 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ocih Hoopla.
Die? No. All bewbz are in decline. There is simply no new titillation coming in. We steal from this guy, they still from that guy and that guy steals bewbz from us. There isn't much humanity can do about that. We are too old and limp to bring in new bewbz. Humanity could.. make a new model of blow-up doll I suppose. Someone needs to. Not another cardboard cut out one either, we want real epic bewbz. Otherwise humanity will shrink up and die. Just because it's humanity. Good bad or otherwise.
See how easy that was? I can haz sensationalist nondescript and utterly vague propaganda too? |
Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2009.01.23 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Mithos Victus
Originally by: Ocih Hoopla.
Die? No. All bewbz are in decline. There is simply no new titillation coming in. We steal from this guy, they still from that guy and that guy steals bewbz from us. There isn't much humanity can do about that. We are too old and limp to bring in new bewbz. Humanity could.. make a new model of blow-up doll I suppose. Someone needs to. Not another cardboard cut out one either, we want real epic bewbz. Otherwise humanity will shrink up and die. Just because it's humanity. Good bad or otherwise.
See how easy that was? I can haz sensationalist nondescript and utterly vague propaganda too?
Ha Ha- That was sweet. |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.01.23 22:50:00 -
[56]
Yes bicoz CCP haev peopel liek we suporting.
--------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Go vote! Put voice for silent majority. LOVE PVP, HATE grief |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Yes bicoz CCP haev peopel liek we suporting.
woot jenny is back and she is as good a EVARRRRR |
Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.24 00:58:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher
Originally by: Ocih
Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher
Originally by: Ocih Ghost training 'fixed' at a bad time hurt thier alt subs. They won't admit it but it's there in the tea leaves.
Die? No. All MMO's are in decline. There is simply no new blood coming in. We steal from this game, they still from that guy and that guy steals subs from us. There isn't much EvE can do about that. We are too old to bring in new blood. CCP could.. make a new game I suppose. Someone needs to. Not another cardboard cut out one either. Otherwise EvE will shrink up and die. Just because it's an MMO. Good bad or otherwise.
Yeah 48,000+ online last week. Time to switch tea leaves and whatever other leaves you be smokin' too.
Maybe you could enlighten us with some proof of your crazy hypothosis. Really, a link to some factual information that backs up your bs.
wtf does fact have to do with EvE forums? Been here long? It's text based PvP where one liners and flame warriors come to annoy the annoyed.
I could use examples like all the people I play with have alts and most of them are dsabled accounts right now but I have no way to prove that to the forum cop that thinks I owe him an explanation. But that's not really what you wanted to know anyway. You were just trying to get a jolt and look important or some ****.
Maybe an 8 year old some where will think you are cool. If you haven't been banned from playgrounds yet.
Care for another round?
That's it, that's all you got. A bunch of arm waving?
You post a bunch of drivel that you can't back up and then respond with a RAWR?
Sorry, I'm not intimidated. Still waiting for you to back up your statement. "All the people you play with" could be 2 people.
The joys of being stalked on forums. We have established you don't believe me. What we haven't established is, I don't care. |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.24 01:06:00 -
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what are you on about
PWNING GD since 06
click here for the EvELife blog |
Mr Ignitious
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.24 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Undertow Latheus 250k subscribers, each paying 15$ a month...
3.75 million dollars a month... if they were going bankrupt i dont know where all that money would be going, especially for a relatively small company.
exotic dancers durrr |
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