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Marisal
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Marisal on 22/01/2009 12:01:01 http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/22/0619234
I've lost track of just how many articles now say something similar yet there always be someone who won't accept the evidence. |
KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.01.22 12:39:00 -
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The thing is, when you're talking psychology, it's not so easy to get a definite conclusive answer, as you can with a computer program or quadratic equation. Scientists have found it does cause problems, that it doesn't cause problems, that grapefruit are healthy, that grapefruit cause cancer, that wine is good for you, that alcohol is bad for you. Drinks can help slimming, but only as part of a calorie controlled diet, but then they don't. Fish can feel pain, evolution, black holes...everytime I hear on TV or radio "scientists found new evidence that..." I switch off. They tell us what we should eat, how we should eat, what we should or shouldn't watch, play or listen to. I obviously get excited at genuine breakthroughs, but the majority of this stuff isn't worth much. So many differing researches, theories, methods, opinions and yard sticks.
The thing is while Texas A&M found no link, another place will find one. It depends on hundreds of things, and each case is individual. In my personal view, I don't think there's any link whatsoever, but I'm able to play a game for fun and enjoy socialising, family, etc. But there are people with problems like this addicted kid and the Halo 3 kid who shot his folks.
It's not the games themselves that are the problem...these kids have serious issues with their lives and the game is the catalyst. It could have been a tennis raquet, skateboard, MSN, movie, CD, anything that set them off...that's why I believe games aren't directly to blame for those things, but some people could be triggered by a game they play or movie they watch. The media doesn't help by scaremongering and band-wagon jumping (but if you read The Sun or Daily Mail for example, you know what you're getting). If a kid has trouble seperating reality from fiction, perhaps a video game could be the thing that sends him on a shooting spree, who knows?
If you had a 5 year old daughter, would you let her play Manhunt or Condemned 2? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.01.22 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: KingsGambit If you had a 5 year old daughter, would you let her play Manhunt or Condemned 2?
Well, *I* wouldn't play them (nor would I have played them when I was younger), for starters... and I wouldn't want my kid doing something I wouldn't do or wouldn't have done, therefore... ...well, we're back to the issue of parenting rather than games now, aren't we ? |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.01.22 16:04:00 -
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This sort of "science" is just as politically motivated as the so called moral cruisades. A political leader asks a scientist or group of scientists to find or not find proof to something to fit what they need at the time.
Next week a scientist will find that watching TV can cause the brain to litterally rot in children under five, some political leader who has been saying that for years will then point to the new study and before you know it the news will be telling its viewers, ironiclly on the same medium, that letting your kids watch tv may be hazardous to their health. The following week another scientist will find that the previous scientist's findings were incorrect, that it actualy strengthens a childs brain and exposes them to new things and the cycle will repeat. |
Rob Z0mbie
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Rob Z0mbie on 22/01/2009 20:24:01
Originally by: Akita T
...well, we're back to the issue of parenting rather than games now, aren't we ?
This. Nothing can replace parenting, not even games. The problem is social; parenting aren't doing much parenting anymore and new child protection laws cripple parenting as is.
It's a well known fact amongst sociologists and Anthropologists that the family holds the most important role of all, that of socializing the child and making sure they adapt to living in the society they live in. If the child fails at this, It's not his\her fault (considering the child doesn't have any mental defects, and even then).
also, if we continue to stress that it's the games that lead up to that kind of crap, we're in for bigger troubles down the road and i do agree with the poster above me, it's just politically motivated pseudoscience. |
ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2009.01.22 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: KingsGambit If you had a 5 year old daughter, would you let her play Manhunt or Condemned 2?
afaik this games are AO rated that means 18+ this make you question a bit stupid
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.23 02:35:00 -
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I would make sure my 5 year old daughter played quality games, such as left 4 dead and AVP2, which is still one of the best singleplayer fps ever if you ask me. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.01.23 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: KingsGambit If you had a 5 year old daughter, would you let her play Manhunt or Condemned 2?
afaik this games are AO rated that means 18+ this make you question a bit stupid
ESRB is a voluntary thing the industry did and well it has no legal bearing on who can purchase what, in the US at least.
that and doubt a 5 year old girl wants to play either game anyways.
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WhiteSavage
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.01.23 06:32:00 -
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Of course video games aren't from the devil. The vast majority of gamers can draw an obvious line between gaming and reality. Hell, I PLAY video games to escape rl for a little while.
...BUT for anyone to say that something they spend a substantial part of their life doing doesnt effect them at all... is unrealistic and shallow.
Everything we do in our lives effect us in some way to a point. Be that games or not. |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.23 06:40:00 -
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Video games have prepared me for the zombie apocalypse, taught me how to be part of a team, and made me question my sexuality. |
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Canis Trucido
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Posted - 2009.01.23 06:51:00 -
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I dont think it has to do with the addiction to halo 3 that made the kid kill his parents, i think it was the addiction.
To put it in perspective, me and my best friend got in a fist fight after football practice once over how his drake had a bad setup. sure it didnt come out like that, but you get the idea. (yes we are still best friends, we look back and think that was one of the funniest things to fight about.)
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 23/01/2009 12:22:26 Stupid forums |
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 23/01/2009 12:22:49
Originally by: KingsGambit If you had a 5 year old daughter, would you let her play Manhunt or Condemned 2?
My 11 year old would show you what shooting means in CoD IV but you're too much of a little girl to play such 'violent' games.
I highly recommend you step away from the PC and life and never return to either. |
Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rob Z0mbie Nothing can replace parenting, not even games. The problem is social; parents can't parent anymore and new child protection laws cripple parenting continuously.
Fixed for you. |
TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: KingsGambit If you had a 5 year old daughter, would you let her play Manhunt or Condemned 2?
afaik this games are AO rated that means 18+ this make you question a bit stupid
ESRB is a voluntary thing the industry did and well it has no legal bearing on who can purchase what, in the US at least.
that and doubt a 5 year old girl wants to play either game anyways.
In UK its illegal for anyone below age of 15 to buy a rated 15 movie or game, same with 18s. Companies get fined for it. Works well imo.
But yes the bigger issue is parenting. And to be honest, the parents who are freaking about about video games are probably far better parents than the ones who let little timmy play Manhunt.
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.01.23 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Vabjekf ... and AVP2, which is still one of the best singleplayer fps ever if you ask me.
Great game, was all about Predalien I got accused of cheating once in an online match after devastating the other players. Was the pinnacle of my gameplaying years I think...you know you're successful when you're good enough everyone else thinks you had to cheat
Originally by: ceaon afaik this games are AO rated that means 18+ this make you question a bit stupid
Ratings excepted, the point I was trying to make was that most people would likely answer no to the above. Why? We hate censorship and we're open minded enough to play what *we* want, but why then wouldn't we let young children? The most obvious answer would be that we don't want to expose children to the graphic imagery in such a game, just as we wouldn't want them watching gory or adult films. It would very likely affect them on some level. Video games can have effects, it's just very rare to find kids that can be set off by it. What others said about parenting is spot on. Speaking of parents...
Originally by: Super Whopper My 11 year old would show you what shooting means in CoD IV
Did he give you lessons in trolling too?
Originally by: Super Whopper I highly recommend you step away from the PC and life and never return to either.
I'm guessing you don't wanna be my friend then? |
TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.01.23 14:33:00 -
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Quote: The thing is while Texas A&M found no link, another place will find one. It depends on hundreds of things, and each case is individual. In my personal view, I don't think there's any link whatsoever, but I'm able to play a game for fun and enjoy socialising, family, etc. But there are people with problems like this addicted kid and the Halo 3 kid who shot his folks.
Yeah. Alas, raising children in perfectly controlled circumstances but for factor X to test it doesn't go down very well with ethics boards.
I agree with Akita, it's all about parenting.
Nothing wrong with tools to enable the parent to do a good job (certification, parental controls on consoles etc.) but ultimately it's on them.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2009.01.23 20:46:00 -
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As a Psychologist (5 years College/3years field practice atm), it amazes me how many times on the street parents ask me why "their precious little jewel" "destroys/pwns/berates/crashes/swears" "at/to/the" "tv/property/parents/family/school" and they end up flunking grades in school or being total asocial entities.
On roughly 90% of those cases(barring truly physical organic imbalances) , out of the sheer pro bono soul of my heart I give them a small 15 minute lecture on what to do and don't.
It kinda boils down to what my parents did to me as a child and to other children at the time. They taught me respect, they gave me rules and punished me if I did something wrong.
And guess what? when I find them weeks later on the street ...
They come to me and say "OMGWTFBBQ, my child is .... CHANGING!!!"
And I'm like ...
That's why I hate seeing children with behavioral problems on my office. I end up pointing out that the root of the problem is the parents and they end up saying I sux as a proffesional and that they don't like my style OR (the true BEST one) they end up saying they are just TOO BUSY to handle real parenting and if there's some drug out there to keep their kids quiet or at least not so noisome.
Yes, I understand you have to work two odd jobs and you come home tired and totally feeling like crap cuz money is short ... but you can actually find perhaps 15 minutes to talk to your child and see how he/she is doing? Talk about her/his stuff/new experiences/day at school/friends stupid jokes/funny nonsense blabber he/she wants to talk about? And who Knows? perhaps you might even laugh with him/her and relax a bit too. Nope your kid won't get straight A's the next day, but it's a start ...
Those are the days I ask myself why they even bother at trying to have a "Family"?
Main reason I switched from Kids to Couples/Relationships.
Honestly, when I did my Internship at the Local Psychiatric Hospital I felt more comfortable amongst the Organic Schizophrenics and BiPolars. Meh
This was a bit of a generalization I know, but you guys know what I mean ... It's not video games, it's not tv, it's you as a PARENT. If there's no "parenting" , Mom is TV and X-Box is Dad, a truly hideous couple indeed.
Viva VENEZUELA!!! Archipelago Theory
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Nebulous
Minmatar Thukker Zoku
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Posted - 2009.01.23 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Marisal Edited by: Marisal on 22/01/2009 12:01:01 http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/22/0619234
I've lost track of just how many articles now say something similar yet there always be someone who won't accept the evidence.
This is a no brainer, everyone knows the main thing that causes people to die in a school shooting is the bullet leaving the chamber of a gun, if no one made guns then no one would get shot it's as simple as that really
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