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Herzog Wolfhammer
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Posted - 2009.01.22 17:39:00 -
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Icelanders - protesting the robbery of their wealth by the global central banking. Well done. Hang in there.
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLL97664
Quote: Iceland Prime Minister Geir Haarde, speaking after his limousine had been pelted with eggs and cans by a crowd of demonstrators, said the government was "fully functional".
You see, in America, because we have a Constitution, everybody thinks we are free when we are not. So if you throw eggs at the limousine of a car occupied by a government parasite, they will call the egg throwing "assault with a deadly weapon" or play some art of lawfare trick, say "Since the egg was a flying projectile, and bullets are flying projectiles, therefore it's the same as shooting at them" - then the protestors get SWAT teamed and charged with 7 felonies till Sunday.
But when someone calls the BS on that and says there is no freedom left here in America, we have two fools for every one who gets it saying "What do you mean? We have a Constitution! This is a free country!" Then they usually add "And you could not say what you are saying if this were not a free country".
Which is also total BS because in Amerika the only freedom left will be the right to complain about not having any - because tyrants don't mind the rattling of chains; knowing from the sound that we are still in them.
Our money supply in the USA, the printing press, has inflated the circulating money by as much as 70 percent.
But hats off to you, Icelanders, for having balls.
But beware!
For if you do break away from the global bankster cartel, the USA might, on orders from the old banking cartels, declare Iceland a rogue state, or claim that Al CIAeda is hiding there, and bomb your country into Amerikan style democracy.
Or worse, Americans trying to escape the Fourth Reich will flood your island nation. However if the flight from the state of California is any example, Americans who screw up their states through voting for idiots and clamoring for nanny states don't give up those habits when they move somewhere else. Ask the residents of Oregon, Nevada, and Washington state what damage the Californians are doing.
But as we say about Mexicans: "Don't let them come here, let them stay there and deal with their own problems and maybe they might fix them." Do don't let Americans into your country.
By the way, when I pulled up the web page, guess whose banner advertisement was up at the top. :)
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:00:00 -
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Kudos to the crowd for acting like shiat slinging chimps instead of an informed group who uses intelligence and knowledge of the rule of law to make change.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Kudos to the crowd for acting like shiat slinging chimps instead of an informed group who uses intelligence and knowledge of the rule of law to make change.
What rule of law? The legislature are the criminals.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 22/01/2009 18:11:13
Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: Zeba Kudos to the crowd for acting like shiat slinging chimps instead of an informed group who uses intelligence and knowledge of the rule of law to make change.
What rule of law? The legislature are the criminals.
Then the populace should have reseached out the people they elected maybe? Seems to me the energy expended to further the opinion of the people in power that yes indeed the general population is a bunch of emoragers should be used in figuring out who to elect next to fix the situation? Mobs never solve anything and always create moar problems for little realistic gain. |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: Zeba Kudos to the crowd for acting like shiat slinging chimps instead of an informed group who uses intelligence and knowledge of the rule of law to make change.
What rule of law? The legislature are the criminals.
Sounds like what they need then, is a revolution. Not egg throwing, ballets for bullets! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Kudos to the crowd for acting like shiat slinging chimps instead of an informed group who uses intelligence and knowledge of the rule of law to make change.
Tell me when Rule of Law works for individuals keeping their liberty and property, instead of against?
Notice how the one party that is always spewing about "Rule of Law" is so out of power in the US that it looks like it may never come back. You know that party, the one all about eavesdropping on people without a warrant, jailing people without habeus corpus.
But of course the Other party will pass crappy laws, then the "rule of law" worshippers might take over for 4 or 8 years, and enforce those laws because they love law and rule of law and that's why we are getting a police state.
The only thing "Rule of Law" will do that can be considered good for anybody, is when those entire forests of trees upon which all those laws are written, get burned - for heat.
Some people cling to ideas the way Captain Ahab clung to Moby ****. "Rule of Law" is one of them.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:29:00 -
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I suspect in many cases the essential reform required is to the reporting structure of government. Not many people will stand on a platform of ceding many of their office's functions or opening cans of worms which may result in associates going on trial. Yet that is the answer. So the necessary reforms may be structurally impossible to obtain. A wise government recognises this situation when it arises and yields. An unwise government lets the pressure build.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.22 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Zeba Kudos to the crowd for acting like shiat slinging chimps instead of an informed group who uses intelligence and knowledge of the rule of law to make change.
Tell me when Rule of Law works for individuals keeping their liberty and property, instead of against?
Notice how the one party that is always spewing about "Rule of Law" is so out of power in the US that it looks like it may never come back. You know that party, the one all about eavesdropping on people without a warrant, jailing people without habeus corpus.
But of course the Other party will pass crappy laws, then the "rule of law" worshippers might take over for 4 or 8 years, and enforce those laws because they love law and rule of law and that's why we are getting a police state.
The only thing "Rule of Law" will do that can be considered good for anybody, is when those entire forests of trees upon which all those laws are written, get burned - for heat.
Some people cling to ideas the way Captain Ahab clung to Moby ****. "Rule of Law" is one of them.
Well if your talking about america in particular then I'm afraid you will never see a police state as the general populace outnumbers and [i]outguns[i/] by several orders of magnitude any organization that could ever hope to subdue the population with armed force. Sorry, america is not 1930's germany. As for the rule of law you cannot have a working society without it. What we are currently experiencing is the lack of public oversite of those who make and enforce the rule of law and that is 100% due to the ruled getting fat and lazy. So maybe the ruled need to quit farting away thier days on game forums and prime time tv and get active in thier government so they can elect the next set of rulers who will respect the law and not try to take advantage of it. Yes?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
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Posted - 2009.01.22 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 22/01/2009 18:37:16
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Originally by: Zeba Kudos to the crowd for acting like shiat slinging chimps instead of an informed group who uses intelligence and knowledge of the rule of law to make change.
Tell me when Rule of Law works for individuals keeping their liberty and property, instead of against?
Notice how the one party that is always spewing about "Rule of Law" is so out of power in the US that it looks like it may never come back. You know that party, the one all about eavesdropping on people without a warrant, jailing people without habeus corpus.
But of course the Other party will pass crappy laws, then the "rule of law" worshippers might take over for 4 or 8 years, and enforce those laws because they love law and rule of law and that's why we are getting a police state.
The only thing "Rule of Law" will do that can be considered good for anybody, is when those entire forests of trees upon which all those laws are written, get burned - for heat.
Some people cling to ideas the way Captain Ahab clung to Moby ****. "Rule of Law" is one of them.
Well if your talking about america in particular then I'm afraid you will never see a police state as the general populace outnumbers and outguns by several orders of magnitude any organization that could ever hope to subdue the population with armed force. Sorry, america is not 1930's germany. As for the rule of law you cannot have a working society without it. What we are currently experiencing is the lack of public oversite of those who make and enforce the rule of law and that is 100% due to the ruled getting fat and lazy. So maybe the ruled need to quit farting away thier days on game forums and prime time tv and get active in thier government so they can elect the next set of rulers who will respect the law and not try to take advantage of it. Yes?
Not only was I a delegate at the state GOP Convention, paying $300 of my own $$ on that endeavor trying to get a real candidate (that would be Ron Paul) who warned us about what is happening...
I have also trained over 700 people in the use of small arms. Ever hear of the Appleseed project? I am helping them next week.
Meanwhile, I grow my own food too and have not touched a GMO/Aspartame/High Fructose/Estrogen mimicking bite of so-called food in years, but have given away more veggies than I could ever eat - mostly to show people that it CAN be done.
So tell me, what have YOU done other than spend time in a game or in a forum IF you want to take the argument in that direction?
In addition to spending most of my spare time not doing those other things, I have also put together thousands of lines of code trying to get people to use encryption ... www.ravenproject.us.
It's because of this that I seldom get time to play EVE and most of what I do is log in and train, then it's back to work.
Farting away? I wish I could spend one whole day farting away doing some PVP perhaps - which would be the second time in nearly 3 years, or some long mission, or exploration.
So I come here once to show respect for our brothers in Iceland and get told I am farting away?
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.01.22 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer stuff
Reading your posts I do not see someone who wants the "rule of law" to prevail. I see someone who wants the world their way and everyone else is wrong and an enemy.
I really hope I never have to live in your society. Sounds like a bunch of jack-booted thugs running the show to me. We've seen that before, it is not a pretty sight.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.22 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Not only was I a delegate at the state GOP Convention, paying $300 of my own $$ on that endeavor trying to get a real candidate (that would be Ron Paul) who warned us about what is happening...
I have also trained over 700 people in the use of small arms. Ever hear of the Appleseed project? I am helping them next week.
Meanwhile, I grow my own food too and have not touched a GMO/Aspartame/High Fructose/Estrogen mimicking bite of so-called food in years, but have given away more veggies than I could ever eat - mostly to show people that it CAN be done.
So tell me, what have YOU done other than spend time in a game or in a forum IF you want to take the argument in that direction?
In addition to spending most of my spare time not doing those other things, I have also put together thousands of lines of code trying to get people to use encryption ... www.ravenproject.us.
It's because of this that I seldom get time to play EVE and most of what I do is log in and train, then it's back to work.
Farting away? I wish I could spend one whole day farting away doing some PVP perhaps - which would be the second time in nearly 3 years, or some long mission, or exploration.
So I come here once to show respect for our brothers in Iceland and get told I am farting away?
Puleeese
Wow. Way to take it personal when I was implicitly applying my explantion to the masses. As far as your personal activities good for you and gald to see you taking an interest in your future but I still have no respect for violent protesters as they give the government all the excuse they need to blanket ban all public protest. They (the mob) are ****ing it up for the rest of us by being ****y children thowing a tantrum cause they got burned for playing instead of paying attention to what is going on around them. Nothing wrong with being mad about the situation and yes its 100% understandable why people are angry but do you really think eggs and cans thrown on a windshield will fix it? |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.22 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 22/01/2009 19:34:48 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 22/01/2009 19:34:41
Originally by: Zeba
Then the populace should have reseached out to the people they elected maybe?
I agree with what you have said Zeba. The following is what I think one of the reasons why this has been happening.
Rapid indistrialization has given the worlds populations to much to divert their attention away from where it should be; on the people we elect to take care of needs of the whole. The results have been, if you are lucky to have 2 parents, they are both out working jobs so they have the cash for the play station 3, computer, internet, cell phones, new cars, bigger house, toys, vacations, and more children. So they do not even have time to raise their children much less go to the local town hall meeting much less the state or national legislatures.
EDIT: It does seem to me that my generation is picking things up a bit, but it is still not happening fast enough. I finally have a majority of my childhood friends having political discussions which did not happen 10 years ago at all.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.01.22 19:38:00 -
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Quote: A show of balls
Must... resist... posting... inappropriate... image...
GAH!
Ok. I'm better now.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.01.22 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Quote: A show of balls
Must... resist... posting... inappropriate... image...
GAH!
Ok. I'm better now.
Thinking about it if the protesters had all waved their balls at the limosine instead of throwing eggs the story would be global about now. |
Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Icelanders - protesting the robbery of their wealth by the global central banking. Well done. Hang in there.
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLL97664
Quote: Iceland Prime Minister Geir Haarde, speaking after his limousine had been pelted with eggs and cans by a crowd of demonstrators, said the government was "fully functional".
So vandalising a government/private vehicle with food products and/or dents and scratches from cans is proof of a fully functioning democracy?
Sorry, last time I checked its possible to injure someone with a can or egg. I would expect any idiots throwing crap at a government official to be charged with a violation of the law. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer stuff
Reading your posts I do not see someone who wants the "rule of law" to prevail. I see someone who wants the world their way and everyone else is wrong and an enemy.
I really hope I never have to live in your society. Sounds like a bunch of jack-booted thugs running the show to me. We've seen that before, it is not a pretty sight.
You see wrong.
And you have jackbooted thugs running things now.
In my society, person-to-person contracts exist without undue government intervention, fees, regulations. There would be an 11th Amendment that might say "Any activity between consenting adults that does not deny life liberty or property to others is legal and outside jurisdiction of any level of law".
What you are not understanding is that, like all that Hope and Change stuff people "see" in Obama, lacking clarification and any speculation on the matter, I see so-called "conservatives" constantly talking "Rule of Law! Rule of Law!" with the same lack of knowledge and speculation.
Rule of law - by who? Men or nature?
Men take away your right to defend yourself, nature gives all animals some means of defense. You ever see one species of animal make tax slaves out of another? How about waging war for profit? Do German Shepherds herd poodles into death camps? Have Calico Cats ever enslaved Tabbies? (though we can worry about those "Kitler" cats).
You live in a world where they have enough laws written to fill entire stadiums, yet you are being robbed through monetary inflation, your taxes bailing out rich people, and you can be accused of any crime, spend thousands proving your innocence, and the accusers walk away (and can charge you again - so much for double jeopardy).
Rule of law...... tell me, has parchment protection of your rights actually worked?
I can make fun of the Obamanic "Yes we can" zombies but the fake conservative "Rule of Law" Rushbots are equal entertainment.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:18:00 -
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So vandalising a government/private vehicle with food products and/or dents and scratches from cans is proof of a fully functioning democracy?
Sorry, last time I checked its possible to injure someone with a can or egg. I would expect any idiots throwing crap at a government official to be charged with a violation of the law.
No. It's a sign of "rulers" having already done what they wanted and broke the law, and having given people no other recourse.
If you can just go and run for national office without having to be backed by rich lobbyists, then I could agree with you. But since most of the world is under control of a banking cartel - the source of the lobbyist money - what else can they do?
Perhaps there was no ship full of tea in the harbor?
Perhaps they should not have stormed the castle and gotten the Magna Carta signed too (which laid the groundwork for post renaissance liberalism).
Perhaps it would be easier to love tyranny if you yourself had to don the uniform and go point guns at people who just want to be free, instead of an unnacountable system doing all the work.
Getting a limo pelted with produce is getting off easy.
Ever notice how the tax burden is highest in those countries where people think that protest is always wrong, and that the government is always right? Ever notice how those same countries are heading for economic collapse? Ever notice that the larger of those countries is behind the military complex that carries out un-warranted attacks on civilian targets in countries that were incapable of harming anyone else?
You don't see the pattern.
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TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.22 22:20:00 -
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The Forth Reice was created in 1947 The USA is just thier patsy...
you have no freedom, except to die you live in a deluded dream of thier making.
wake up and smell the scent of slavery(ur sitting in it)
CCP made little baby jesus cry by nerfing ghost training
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.01.23 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 23/01/2009 01:39:58
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Ever notice how the tax burden is highest in those countries where people think that protest is always wrong, and that the government is always right? Ever notice how those same countries are heading for economic collapse? Ever notice that the larger of those countries is behind the military complex that carries out un-warranted attacks on civilian targets in countries that were incapable of harming anyone else?
No, I haven't noticed that at all. Sweden is carrying out un-warranted attacks on civilian targets? I find that hard to believe!
The tax burden, as far as I know, is certainly not the highest in the US. Or Russia. Don't know about China. Which countries did you mean?
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.23 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK The Forth Reice was created in 1947 The USA is just thier patsy...
you have no freedom, except to die you live in a deluded dream of thier making.
wake up and smell the scent of slavery(ur sitting in it)
Thank you for the entertainment.
Considering the 44th president of the US was born a nobody to an unknown unwed white girl, and a foreign black muslim father, I'm going to go ahead and say that your theories have been proven wrong.
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Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2009.01.23 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon Edited by: Qui Shon on 23/01/2009 01:39:58
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Ever notice how the tax burden is highest in those countries where people think that protest is always wrong, and that the government is always right? Ever notice how those same countries are heading for economic collapse? Ever notice that the larger of those countries is behind the military complex that carries out un-warranted attacks on civilian targets in countries that were incapable of harming anyone else?
No, I haven't noticed that at all. Sweden is carrying out un-warranted attacks on civilian targets? I find that hard to believe!
Don't the civilians in Sweden have guns? --- My cat Putter approves of this post. |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.23 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bullageddon
Originally by: TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK The Forth Reice was created in 1947 The USA is just thier patsy...
you have no freedom, except to die you live in a deluded dream of thier making.
wake up and smell the scent of slavery(ur sitting in it)
Thank you for the entertainment.
Considering the 44th president of the US was born a nobody to an unknown unwed white girl, and a foreign black muslim father, I'm going to go ahead and say that your theories have been proven wrong.
Whats that have to do about it? That makes him the absolute perfect pupped to put into power to convince people that everything is fine.
Not saying thats how things are, but a radical change that brings the masses 'hope' in a time that people are starting to get upset with how things are would be much more effective at keeping people subdued than just another white guy. he wouldn't even have to be 'in on it', since the visible government doesn't really control much anyway.
Elections are just there for people to feel like they have a say. Let them vote for what you want them to and they stay placated (campaigning more or less means that whoever controls the money controls the winner, the people will always vote for whoever has the nicest commercials and the best speeches)
There is nothing that can be done about this because the majority is always going to be too stupid/lazy to do anything else.
it USED to be in america that you had to be somewhat capable before you had a vote. Only land owners, people who actually owned a real physical slice of the country, could vote. These people had to be somewhat well-to-do, and therefore must have had enough smarts to be well-to-do in the first place. Manage things like money and resources and actually understand how the little things relate to the big and so forth. They cared.
But let just anyone vote?
Common people are too easily controlled with suggestion.
Thats democracy, its the same corrupt crap any other form of government can bring, only instead the blame can be placed on the people, so nobody can complain because they got their 'vote'.
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.23 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vabjekf Whats that have to do about it? That makes him the absolute perfect pupped to put into power to convince people that everything is fine.
First Bush was a puppet because he was so inept and dumb. Now Obama's a puppet because he's black.
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it USED to be in america that you had to be somewhat capable before you had a vote. Only land owners, people who actually owned a real physical slice of the country, could vote. These people had to be somewhat well-to-do, and therefore must have had enough smarts to be well-to-do in the first place. Manage things like money and resources and actually understand how the little things relate to the big and so forth. They cared.
But let just anyone vote?
Common people are too easily controlled with suggestion.
Thats democracy, its the same corrupt crap any other form of government can bring, only instead the blame can be placed on the people, so nobody can complain because they got their 'vote'.
I agree, we should go back to just letting us white male land owners have a say in the country.
First you yammer about the elitists controlling the government, then you seem to want to give them even more power?
Pick a side, please.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.23 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bullageddon
Pick a side, please.
Sides are the problem, as long as there are sides then it will go on forever.
Sides make people like you assume im saying things im not. I said land owners, i didn't say 'only white males' could be land owners.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.01.23 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK The Forth Reice was created in 1947 The USA is just thier patsy...
you have no freedom, except to die you live in a deluded dream of thier making.
wake up and smell the scent of slavery(ur sitting in it)
I'm as free as any man on earth.
I'm free to follow the law, free to break it. Free to try and not get caught doing the latter and free to suffer the consequences if I do.
Live the way you wanna live, die happy.
You could say that those who *try* to oppress others are the ones living in a cage (deluded dream, what have you)...
/what do i know. i'm just one of those crazy 'pry it from my cold dead fingers' kinda guys ---------- "This is Chopper Dave's made for TV movie, Blades Of Vengeance. See, he's a chopper pilot by day, but by night he fights crime as a werewolf... YEAH!" |
Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2009.01.23 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bullageddon
I agree, we should go back to just letting us white male land owners have a say in the country.
Trying to turn this into a race argument where there is none means you lose. --- My cat Putter approves of this post. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar MasterBlasters Inc. CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2009.01.23 03:56:00 -
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Misleading title
---------------------- Putting the sensual in nonconsensual
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Crimsonjade
Comanche Nation
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Posted - 2009.01.23 04:33:00 -
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Im waiting for orders to invade Iceland right now. just make sure the bars are stocked up on liquor as soon as we invade the army will surrender to the Icelandic women.( but we going to make all the men move away) |
EnslaverOfMinmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.23 05:07:00 -
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Throwing eggs is a bad idea during a crysis.. it's better to eat them. uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2009.01.23 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar Throwing eggs is a bad idea during a crysis.. it's better to eat them.
This is truly profound.
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