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Akularen
Amarr Nomads Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Akularen on 22/01/2009 20:05:01 Good EVEning fellow space pilots!
I'm in need of your advice!
At the moment, i'm ratting in a Zealot which takes down the BS rats pretty fast, so firepower ain't the problem. the problems are that the Zealot lacks several, imo important factors for ratting. However i'm only able to fly Amarr ships and i have no intention about cross training to other races at the moment.
I'm currently looking at buying a Sacrilege for ratting instead, due to several factors, which i'm gonna tell more about below. My concerns and cons/pros about each ship are listed right below, so i'm not gonna say much more about that for now.
Sacrilege: + BS size cargohold (610m3 - can carry a lot of crap.. erh loot) + BS tank (300+ tanked dps with my skills) + drone bay for taking out annoying scrambling/webbing frigs (15m3 - enough for 3 light drones) - lower DPS (atleast with my skills.. only have about 80k SP in missile launcher operation) - rats shooting down missiles? - 11 days ekstra skill training required to get decent DPS (i know 11 days aint much, but if it is wasted skill training, i rate it: not worth it)
Zealot: + high DPS (atm 317 DPS with multis and t1 guns) + turrets (no worry's about loosing DPS to defenders) + no addtional skilltraining required (15 days to t2 guns) - small cargohold (meaning a lot of travel time with loot) - having problems with frigs orbiting very close (scramble/webb frigs = me stuck in belt)
However there's a 3th option named: Apocalypse. i'm however not to pleased about this one, but it's stil an option..
My main concern, which is actually my deciding "point" (don't know what else to call it) is: does the serpentis rats in the syndicate region use defender missiles - if yes, is it almost every BC/BS spawn or only at rare occations? and if they do, should i still go for the Sacrilege, or is the Apocalypse option better, or should i just stick with my ol' trusty Zealot, or is cross training the only reasonable option?
Best Regards Akularen Signature: _______________________________________________ C.I.A Member |
Nichola Kreed
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:18:00 -
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610m3 is not much, sac have to carry ammos. zealot suck with frig. fly a harbi and ignore loots |
Akularen
Amarr Nomads Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nichola Kreed 610m3 is not much, sac have to carry ammos. zealot suck with frig. fly a harbi and ignore loots
it might not be much, but it's nearly three times as much as the Zealot.. and i do earn quite a few bucks on that loot, so i would prefer large cargohold and those missiles.. they don't take that much space, aight?
the reason why i like the HAC's is because they're small fast and agile. i imagine the Harbi being some what.. hard to maneuver?
but i think i'll see what i can come up with in EFT.
you don't know about the defender missiles? Signature: _______________________________________________ C.I.A Member |
pushdogg
Minmatar Vermin.
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:51:00 -
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i like the sac(even though i have never piloted one), and when you get under 10k or so the defenders no longer hit your missiles as they are too close to time it correctly, personally i would go for sac(even though zealots are pretty nasty customers). but for cost effectiveness sake i would go for harbi aswell, its agility is far better than that of a BS and it can deal out bs sized dps(when properly fitted for it), its fully insurable and more drones for the pesky frig rats....really im not sure why this hasnt been your top choice in the first place as you can already do well with a zealot..... best sig ever:)
Originally by: Soul Harvestor You're an idiot.
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Sarkiss
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.01.22 20:53:00 -
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Zealot sniper fits, few salvos to take care of frigs then move onto the battleships. Don't bother with the random crappy loot, unless you get a faction spawn.
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Gnomes Rock
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Posted - 2009.01.22 21:14:00 -
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If you have a good supply of missiles, go for the Sac. Otherwise, Zealot. |
Foulque
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Posted - 2009.01.22 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Akularen
Zealot: + high DPS (atm 317 DPS with multis and t1 guns)
Zealot with T1 guns is no Zealot ________
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Rakalakadingdong
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Posted - 2009.01.22 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Foulque
Zealot with T1 guns is no Zealot
lol, so true. |
Lisento Slaven
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.01.22 23:22:00 -
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Sacrilege all the way. Only time I use the Zealot is against Sansha in all honesty.
Unless you don't have a supply of missiles...you WILL be using a lot of them. But the tank is solid and you can salvage/loot just fine.
Don't forget your cloak =D |
Acobar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.22 23:45:00 -
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I'd vote for Harbi. Slightly higher align time is not an issue with ratting. What matters is that it is insurable, has excellent dps, larger drone bay and requires no ammo, whilst having a spare slot for cloak.
As for loot and travel time, do you use GSCs in a safespot? Shouldn't be much of a problem then with any cargohold size. |
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Jack Jombardo
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.23 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 23/01/2009 01:29:12 Defenders are no problem if you use HAMs as your missiles will impact before the defender can reach them. With half OK skills and a Webber(+Painter) Frigs are no problem either. Sacri can dish out about 350 DPS (inclued 3 smalls) with my skills (T1 HAMs) and do the best damagetype (kin) against Serpents -> LOT faster.
5000 heavy assault missiles don't need that much space in your cargo and are enough for about 2 to 3 houres if you salvage (5th highslot).
It's not as boring as "jump in, target, shot, next belt" ;) |
Maleagent
Amarr Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.23 06:17:00 -
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Or you can try a Armageddon fitted like that its work wonder again sansha.
7 mega modualted energy pulse beam 1 tractor beam
2 cap recharger T2 1 MWD 100 mnT2
3 heat sink T2 1 EM hardener T2 or T1 (depending on skill) 1 Thermal hardener T2 or T1 (depending on skill) 1 Large armor repair T2 2 Cap power relay
3 CCC Drone your choice, I keep a flight of med, light and light ecm just in case.
Its work really well, you can take out a heat sink if you fear for the tank but personaly I have used that for many months and that was the easiest ratting I have done in my life.
P.S. When you have the skill for T2 pulse, replace the best name with me T2 you will be able to fit 5 out of the 7 so 5 T2 and 2 best name. |
Akularen
Amarr Nomads Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.23 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Akularen on 23/01/2009 09:43:15 So, so far it seems like there are mixed oppinions on what to choose.
so back to the Sac, if i'm about 15 km from the target, will defender missiles be an issue if i use HAM's? - the missiles won't be an issue there should be plenty in the corp hangar
My current planned skills for the Sac:
- Heavy Assault missiles IV
- Missile Bombardment IV
- Missile Launcher Operation IV (probably V)
- Missile Projection IV
- Rapid Launch IV
- Warhead Upgrades III
- Target navigation Prediction III
i could of course go with the option of dropping a GSC in a safespot.
and to the ones of you, who thinks that a Zealot aren't a Zealot if it isn't fitted with T2 i can only say.. i know..
will the Harbinger be better than the Zealot/Sacrilege?
But if the Defenders won't be a problem, i think i'll go for the Sac, and if that doesn't work out too well, i'll try a Harbinger Signature: _______________________________________________ C.I.A Member |
Killrhon Darkblade
Grid Square Removal System
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Posted - 2009.01.23 10:15:00 -
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Sac. You can rat with a PVP fit and violiate the odd visitor that thinks he found a harmless ratter |
Astal Atlar
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.01.23 10:16:00 -
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Quote: # Heavy Assault missiles IV # Missile Bombardment IV # Missile Launcher Operation IV (probably V) # Missile Projection IV # Rapid Launch IV # Warhead Upgrades III # Target navigation Prediction III
with these skills your sacriliege will be useless.get ham specialization to 4, rapid launch to 5 warhead upgrades 4, target navigation prediction 5 and missile projection. and you will be able to shoot from 20km without rigs t2 rage hams and really rat like hell,other way just stick with zealot,sacriliege is great if you have the skills,and his greatest assets is his missiles the incredible 3.2 rate of fire and the 90+% specific rat resists that you can pull easily. |
Akularen
Amarr Nomads Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.23 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Astal Atlar
Quote: # Heavy Assault missiles IV # Missile Bombardment IV # Missile Launcher Operation IV (probably V) # Missile Projection IV # Rapid Launch IV # Warhead Upgrades III # Target navigation Prediction III
with these skills your sacriliege will be useless.get ham specialization to 4, rapid launch to 5 warhead upgrades 4, target navigation prediction 5 and missile projection. and you will be able to shoot from 20km without rigs t2 rage hams and really rat like hell,other way just stick with zealot,sacriliege is great if you have the skills,and his greatest assets is his missiles the incredible 3.2 rate of fire and the 90+% specific rat resists that you can pull easily.
if i'm going to spend that much time on training to fyling the Sac good, i'll rather use my Zealot and specialize in flying in that ship. |
Shevar
Minmatar Target Practice incorporated
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Posted - 2009.01.23 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Akularen Edited by: Akularen on 22/01/2009 20:05:01 Good EVEning fellow space pilots!
I'm in need of your advice!
At the moment, i'm ratting in a Zealot which takes down the BS rats pretty fast, so firepower ain't the problem. the problems are that the Zealot lacks several, imo important factors for ratting. However i'm only able to fly Amarr ships and i have no intention about cross training to other races at the moment.
I'm currently looking at buying a Sacrilege for ratting instead, due to several factors, which i'm gonna tell more about below. My concerns and cons/pros about each ship are listed right below, so i'm not gonna say much more about that for now.
Sacrilege: + BS size cargohold (610m3 - can carry a lot of crap.. erh loot) + BS tank (300+ tanked dps with my skills) + drone bay for taking out annoying scrambling/webbing frigs (15m3 - enough for 3 light drones) - lower DPS (atleast with my skills.. only have about 80k SP in missile launcher operation) - rats shooting down missiles? - 11 days ekstra skill training required to get decent DPS (i know 11 days aint much, but if it is wasted skill training, i rate it: not worth it)
Zealot: + high DPS (atm 317 DPS with multis and t1 guns) + turrets (no worry's about loosing DPS to defenders) + no addtional skilltraining required (15 days to t2 guns) - small cargohold (meaning a lot of travel time with loot) - having problems with frigs orbiting very close (scramble/webb frigs = me stuck in belt)
However there's a 3th option named: Apocalypse. i'm however not to pleased about this one, but it's stil an option..
My main concern, which is actually my deciding "point" (don't know what else to call it) is: does the serpentis rats in the syndicate region use defender missiles - if yes, is it almost every BC/BS spawn or only at rare occations? and if they do, should i still go for the Sacrilege, or is the Apocalypse option better, or should i just stick with my ol' trusty Zealot, or is cross training the only reasonable option?
Best Regards Akularen
I would say arbitrator or zealot simply because they don't use ammo. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.23 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Akularen
Originally by: Astal Atlar
Quote: # Heavy Assault missiles IV # Missile Bombardment IV # Missile Launcher Operation IV (probably V) # Missile Projection IV # Rapid Launch IV # Warhead Upgrades III # Target navigation Prediction III
with these skills your sacriliege will be useless.get ham specialization to 4, rapid launch to 5 warhead upgrades 4, target navigation prediction 5 and missile projection. and you will be able to shoot from 20km without rigs t2 rage hams and really rat like hell,other way just stick with zealot,sacriliege is great if you have the skills,and his greatest assets is his missiles the incredible 3.2 rate of fire and the 90+% specific rat resists that you can pull easily.
if i'm going to spend that much time on training to fyling the Sac good, i'll rather use my Zealot and specialize in flying in that ship.
That's probably the best choice.
Sacri is a good 'bridging' ship for respeccing to/from Caldari. It's also a very good ship in it's own right... but you you'll need to put 2-3M SP into missiles to make it shine. |
Akularen
Amarr Nomads Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.23 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Akularen
Originally by: Astal Atlar
Quote: # Heavy Assault missiles IV # Missile Bombardment IV # Missile Launcher Operation IV (probably V) # Missile Projection IV # Rapid Launch IV # Warhead Upgrades III # Target navigation Prediction III
with these skills your sacriliege will be useless.get ham specialization to 4, rapid launch to 5 warhead upgrades 4, target navigation prediction 5 and missile projection. and you will be able to shoot from 20km without rigs t2 rage hams and really rat like hell,other way just stick with zealot,sacriliege is great if you have the skills,and his greatest assets is his missiles the incredible 3.2 rate of fire and the 90+% specific rat resists that you can pull easily.
if i'm going to spend that much time on training to fyling the Sac good, i'll rather use my Zealot and specialize in flying in that ship.
That's probably the best choice.
Sacri is a good 'bridging' ship for respeccing to/from Caldari. It's also a very good ship in it's own right... but you you'll need to put 2-3M SP into missiles to make it shine.
Which i aint willing to do - anyway, just reconfigured my Ratting Setup for my Zealot getting 417 DPS with T1 Pulses and Amarr navy Multi's, which in my oppinion is pretty good for now
Guess i have to try that method with the GSC's
Regards Akularen Signature: _______________________________________________ C.I.A Member |
Misina Arlath
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.23 11:29:00 -
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Pilgrim ^.^ |
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Linsyn
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Posted - 2009.01.23 11:32:00 -
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I have ratted using Zealot and Sac I can use 19k of HAM missiles in one day thats a full hold. I now use a zealot 4 guns and a salvager, or cloak if in more hostile space heavy pulse lasers I carry a web too tank isnt as good as a sac but I have 3 heat sinks and it can handle any spawn |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.23 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Akularen
Which i aint willing to do - anyway, just reconfigured my Ratting Setup for my Zealot getting 417 DPS with T1 Pulses and Amarr navy Multi's, which in my oppinion is pretty good for now
Guess i have to try that method with the GSC's
Regards Akularen
Please tell me that you're training medium energy turret V right now?
Putting T1 weapons on HACs is just... wrong. It's waking up next to your sister wrong. |
Khwalik
Ghetto Kings
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Posted - 2009.01.23 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rakalakadingdong
Originally by: Foulque
Zealot with T1 guns is no Zealot
lol, so true.
signed |
Misina Arlath
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Putting T1 weapons on HACs is just... wrong. It's waking up next to your sister wrong.
Most of Texas and large parts of Alabama were founded in the wrong way then. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.23 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Misina Arlath
Originally by: Malcanis
Putting T1 weapons on HACs is just... wrong. It's waking up next to your sister wrong.
Most of Texas and large parts of Alabama were founded in the wrong way then.
I defer to your local expertise. |
Akularen
Amarr Nomads Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.01.23 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Akularen
Which i aint willing to do - anyway, just reconfigured my Ratting Setup for my Zealot getting 417 DPS with T1 Pulses and Amarr navy Multi's, which in my oppinion is pretty good for now
Guess i have to try that method with the GSC's
Regards Akularen
Yes i am, i'm training Medium Energy turrets lvl 5 atm Please tell me that you're training medium energy turret V right now?
Putting T1 weapons on HACs is just... wrong. It's waking up next to your sister wrong.
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Graalum
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.23 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nichola Kreed 610m3 is not much, sac have to carry ammos. zealot suck with frig. fly a harbi and ignore loots
depending one what he is npcing and where, loot and salvage might be worth more than the bs he's killing.
not everyone has a steady stream of 18 mil bs to chew through
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