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Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
130
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Posted - 2012.04.20 08:44:00 -
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GM Zerat wrote:This is a bug, and is scheduled to be fixed in a future patch. Abusing this intentionally is NOT allowed. Period.
Accidentally triggering this effect is of course not the same thing.
The afk cloaking scenario was deemed normal game mechanics and no bug was being abused there. They are separate cases. This has nothing to do with the Gallente or Caldari militias, both sides can abuse this bug.
Also note that our rulings here may seem inconsistent, because it is often difficult to verify someone's intention when this bug happens. We cannot take any action against a player where we aren't reasonably sure they were doing this intentionally. You have openly stated to us that you are doing this intentionally, so there is no argument there.
So it is all right to bug plexes if you say it was accidentally, good to know. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Villore Accords
100
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:03:00 -
[62] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:
So it is all right to bug plexes if you say it was accidentally, good to know.
No, they way you do this properly is;
1. Declare on these forums you are going to exploit the bug.
2. Then the bug is clearly declared an exploit.
3. Realise what a silly idea it was to post on the forum then hope that you can continue to exploit the bug but throw up as many smokescreens as possible in the hopes that GM's cant gather the client/user/ip/transaction data to incriminate you and your friends and alts while you carry on exploiting in spite of clear adjudication from CCP.
I think that just about covers it lol. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
163
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:47:00 -
[63] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:3. Realise what a silly idea it was to post on the forum then hope that you can continue to exploit the bug but throw up as many smokescreens as possible in the hopes that GM's cant gather the client/user/ip/transaction data to incriminate you and your friends and alts while you carry on exploiting in spite of clear adjudication from CCP.
I think that just about covers it lol.
Actually this post was made AFTER GM threathened me with a ban when gallente players petitioned me simply because I happened to be inside a FW plex with a hostile wt.
To me the curious bit is how did the gallentes managed to get GM attention to this so fast when previous actions like cloak capture (Ankh), cloak despawn trick (Val Erian) or removing plex from circulation with similiar method (Moira./Onyx in Aivonen & Pavanakka) as this, which were petitioned by Caldari did not provoke any such action.
It must the unbiased GM thing again, eh?
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Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
130
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:49:00 -
[64] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:
So it is all right to bug plexes if you say it was accidentally, good to know.
No, they way you do this properly is; 1. Declare on these forums you are going to exploit the bug. 2. Then the bug is clearly declared an exploit. 3. Realise what a silly idea it was to post on the forum then hope that you can continue to exploit the bug but throw up as many smokescreens as possible in the hopes that GM's cant gather the client/user/ip/transaction data to incriminate you and your friends and alts while you carry on exploiting in spite of clear adjudication from CCP. I think that just about covers it lol.
You forget one thing, i have ever exploited anything in EVE, all things i have done that may be close to considered as exploit are done with CCP permission. |
Heredom
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
10
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Posted - 2012.04.20 13:54:00 -
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GM Zerat wrote:This is a bug, and is scheduled to be fixed in a future patch. Abusing this intentionally is NOT allowed. Period.
Accidentally triggering this effect is of course not the same thing.
The afk cloaking scenario was deemed normal game mechanics and no bug was being abused there. They are separate cases. This has nothing to do with the Gallente or Caldari militias, both sides can abuse this bug.
Also note that our rulings here may seem inconsistent, because it is often difficult to verify someone's intention when this bug happens. We cannot take any action against a player where we aren't reasonably sure they were doing this intentionally. You have openly stated to us that you are doing this intentionally, so there is no argument there.
/emote plays Hallelujah from Hendel while shouting "Thank You !" Done, signature edited with perfection!... |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
165
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:38:00 -
[66] - Quote
Dopified wrote:SORRY MENT TO SAY "YOUR accounts" Umm yeah... those damn Freudian slips! :D
Damar is right though, it's taken years for CCP to fix the stupidest things about FW plexing mechanics. Many props to Damar for being so loud on the forums that the devs couldn't ignore him this time.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2248
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:50:00 -
[67] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote: Damar is right though, it's taken years for CCP to fix the stupidest things about FW plexing mechanics. Many props to Damar for being so loud on the forums that the devs couldn't ignore him this time.
They certainly can, and they certainly will as long as this issue is discussed as this angry personal dispute between factions with accusations of CCP enforcement bias. Bickering back and forth for years has paints the issue as one that annoys a few dogmatic roleplayers locking horns, and not one that affects the militias as a whole and is worth serious development time.
This has to be dealt with rationally and from a mechanical standpoint, and sitting around saying "its always the other faction abusing this not me" and constantly challenging GM rulings gets the issue zero traction in terms of getting fixed.
If bickering over factional crap is more important that getting the bug fixed, by all means, everyone in here should keep at it. But those that care more about seeing the bug get fixed have got to learn to curb the finger pointing and discuss the issue itself, or get more of the community at large into threads like this one which have cropped up numerous times now. They always break down into bickering among the usual half dozen suspects, and are very likely continuing to be de-prioritized by CCP as a result.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Dopified
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
9
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:03:00 -
[68] - Quote
Actually this post was made AFTER GM threathened me with a ban when gallente players petitioned me simply because I happened to be inside a FW plex with a hostile wt.
To me the curious bit is how did the gallentes managed to get GM attention to this so fast when previous actions like cloak capture (Ankh), cloak despawn trick (Val Erian) or removing plex from circulation with similiar method (Moira./Onyx in Aivonen & Pavanakka) as this, which were petitioned by Caldari did not provoke any such action.
It must the unbiased GM thing again, eh? [/quote]
Damar, We where not refering to this post. We where refering to the earlier post you made on another forum.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=91246&p=3
I mean seriously you did bring attention to the Bug so why are you still going on. I also thought that posting up what GM's or CCP is communicating is not allowed but as to see you doing it here and a GM has posted as well then maybe it is not. Seriously you seem to be a govrnment worker man. I have never seen such lies come out of someone as you. Macro Man654476 which is your alt on Damar's Account was causing this with YURI INTAKI also one of your other accounts in OICX and was seen doing so. This was not other militia it was YOU EXPLOITING A MECHANIC.
I dont mind ever damar that you have an issue with us and take it to CCP that is by all means your right to do so. I dont mind that you find out good tactics. I will openly admit you find some of the best ones out there. But why do you and BM persist to twist the facts and just flat out LIE about things is behond me. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
130
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:12:00 -
[69] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:X Gallentius wrote: Damar is right though, it's taken years for CCP to fix the stupidest things about FW plexing mechanics. Many props to Damar for being so loud on the forums that the devs couldn't ignore him this time. They certainly can, and they certainly will as long as this issue is discussed as this angry personal dispute between factions with accusations of CCP enforcement bias. Bickering back and forth for years has paints the issue as one that annoys a few dogmatic roleplayers locking horns, and not one that affects the militias as a whole and is worth serious development time. This has to be dealt with rationally and from a mechanical standpoint, and sitting around saying "its always the other faction abusing this not me" and constantly challenging GM rulings gets the issue zero traction in terms of getting fixed. If bickering over factional crap is more important that getting the bug fixed, by all means, everyone in here should keep at it. But those that care more about seeing the bug get fixed have got to learn to curb the finger pointing and discuss the issue itself, or get more of the community at large into threads like this one which have cropped up numerous times now. They always break down into bickering among the usual half dozen suspects, and are very likely continuing to be de-prioritized by CCP as a result.
You can go Hans Jagerblitzen to lick CCP devs asses freely, i do not care. But truth is that Gallente or minmatar could not face Caldari power on original rules , so ccp has to change things to make it possible for useless gallente to get systems back, even exploiting did not help them, CCP did help them to take systems back.
This is also funny that CCP made systems that there should be something to fight for 24/7 but now it is allowed to deny that, no matter what is way people prevent conquered plexes respawning is always exploit that prevent game mechanic to work as intended. |
Dopified
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
9
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:51:00 -
[70] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote: You can go Hans Jagerblitzen to lick CCP devs asses freely, i do not care. But truth is that Gallente or minmatar could not face Caldari power on original rules , so ccp has to change things to make it possible for useless gallente to get systems back, even exploiting did not help them, CCP did help them to take systems back.
This is also funny that CCP made systems that there should be something to fight for 24/7 but now it is allowed to deny that, no matter what is way people prevent conquered plexes respawning is always exploit that prevent game mechanic to work as intended.
BM would you be refering to when DT was the only time that plex spawns happened and ever two hour increments only had scraps of plexes to be had. I understand how you might feel origional ways then but not much hope when the pervs all EU had DT covered and us US TZ players could not log on. How dare CCP give us a chance at anything. Again another laughable and utterly rediculus statement from you that has no evidence to support it and no bearing on the real issue
And now they real issue is being resolved by CCP |
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
165
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:06:00 -
[71] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: They certainly can, and they certainly will as long as this issue is discussed as this angry personal dispute between factions with accusations of CCP enforcement bias. Bickering back and forth for years has paints the issue as one that annoys a few dogmatic roleplayers locking horns, and not one that affects the militias as a whole and is worth serious development time.
I'm glad he brought the issue up in an open forum, and saddened that, even though everybody agrees that getting rid of this stupid bug is a good idea, there is still much bickering to be had. Let's hope the GMs/Devs continue to place a high priority on fixing FW mechanics. I am looking forward to a relevant militia tab next week. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
130
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:25:00 -
[72] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: They certainly can, and they certainly will as long as this issue is discussed as this angry personal dispute between factions with accusations of CCP enforcement bias. Bickering back and forth for years has paints the issue as one that annoys a few dogmatic roleplayers locking horns, and not one that affects the militias as a whole and is worth serious development time.
I'm glad he brought the issue up in an open forum, and saddened that, even though everybody agrees that getting rid of this stupid bug is a good idea, there is still much bickering to be had. Let's hope the GMs/Devs continue to place a high priority on fixing FW mechanics. I am looking forward to a relevant militia tab next week.
I am waiting for next FW expansion, with all old bugs and plenty of new ones to exploit, will be hilarious time ahead. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
130
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:27:00 -
[73] - Quote
Dopified wrote:Bad Messenger wrote: You can go Hans Jagerblitzen to lick CCP devs asses freely, i do not care. But truth is that Gallente or minmatar could not face Caldari power on original rules , so ccp has to change things to make it possible for useless gallente to get systems back, even exploiting did not help them, CCP did help them to take systems back.
This is also funny that CCP made systems that there should be something to fight for 24/7 but now it is allowed to deny that, no matter what is way people prevent conquered plexes respawning is always exploit that prevent game mechanic to work as intended. BM would you be refering to when DT was the only time that plex spawns happened and ever two hour increments only had scraps of plexes to be had. I understand how you might feel origional ways then but not much hope when the pervs all EU had DT covered and us US TZ players could not log on. How dare CCP give us a chance at anything. Again another laughable and utterly rediculus statement from you that has no evidence to support it and no bearing on the real issue And now they real issue is being resolved by CCP
CCP did not fix plex spawning, they broke whole FW to make sure Gallente will get some systems back. |
Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
163
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Posted - 2012.04.20 16:49:00 -
[74] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Let's hope the GMs/Devs continue to place a high priority on fixing FW mechanics. I am looking forward to a relevant militia tab next week.
Since your last attempt at Oicx failed you will call for 80 minmatar to help?
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Heredom
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
10
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Posted - 2012.04.20 17:14:00 -
[75] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: If bickering over factional crap is more important that getting the bug fixed, by all means, everyone in here should keep at it.
Suggestion: Faction Warfare forum channel to vent off trolls, bickers, distilled stuff. And FW more specific serious stuff, too, of course
Done, signature edited with perfection!... |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
165
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:02:00 -
[76] - Quote
Damar Rocarion wrote: Since your last attempt at Oicx failed you will call for 80 minmatar to help?
Excellent suggestion! I'll get Wex on the plex phone as soon as I log in. |
praznimrak
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
3
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:04:00 -
[77] - Quote
First of all,sory for my crap english.
Now,the important part.
As some of you may know,i live in Oicx for last 3 year (if you want to shoot me,please drop by) and it is nice home sistem.
As i do ocasionly go for my 1 moonth eve break sometime i have nice suprise whan i come back finding out that some new guys did move in local and lot of fighting is to be done.But this time,once i returned,i did find out that sistem was switched to caldari control and Damar and his corp moved in,and i was hapy till i noticed something wierd.
I did try to retake sistem in 2 ocasions but didnt manage it cose of my gametime limitation,pirats,caldari militia and so,but next day whan i came back to try again i find out than there was no plexis at all in sistem.WIERD.So something suspicios was going on.
But after reading Damars post on forums,where he discus how tu bug a plex so it dose not respawn till next DT,i ask him personaly in local to stop doing it and he was told that his actions are gona be petitioned,he replayd childish saying he dont care,he is gona keep on doing it till CCP dose something,and in his personal opinion he was convinced that no reaction will come from CCP part.
After frapsing him buging the plex whit his gall alt,and provading lot of local chats log where he openli speak about his exploiting,he just got a warning from CCP and still write in here abouth suposed bug and his inocenc.Im not gona place his statment in here,but leme ashure you that he was intentionali using a bug to make game advantage over other players,avoid game mechanich and the way thay supose to work :All this actions are condiserd an EXPLOIT and not some inocent bug hapening ocasionly from time to time.
It is truth that CCP nead to fix this bug.But it dosent make a victim a guy who intentionaly EXPLOIT this bug for 2 weeks preventing me and other Gall militia members to plex in sistem and try to retake it ,by simply loging in after DT and using his gall alt to remove all plexis from sistem.
Im suprised to so CSM members posting in here and taking side in this mather whithout knowing what is actuali hapening in here.
EXPLOTER GOT WHAT HE DESERVED (not realy cose exploiting is =BAN in most of the escenarios)
So Damar stop posting lies and pretend to be the victim or i will have to bring some more intersting information abouth your activitis in Oicx.
Thx for reading and sory for bad english. PRAZ My youtube chanell: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveOnlineGameplay |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
130
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Posted - 2012.04.20 18:59:00 -
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praznimrak wrote:First of all,sory for my crap english.
Now,the important part.
As some of you may know,i live in Oicx for last 3 year (if you want to shoot me,please drop by) and it is nice home sistem.
As i do ocasionly go for my 1 moonth eve break sometime i have nice suprise whan i come back finding out that some new guys did move in local and lot of fighting is to be done.But this time,once i returned,i did find out that sistem was switched to caldari control and Damar and his corp moved in,and i was hapy till i noticed something wierd.
I did try to retake sistem in 2 ocasions but didnt manage it cose of my gametime limitation,pirats,caldari militia and so,but next day whan i came back to try again i find out than there was no plexis at all in sistem.WIERD.So something suspicios was going on.
But after reading Damars post on forums,where he discus how tu bug a plex so it dose not respawn till next DT,i ask him personaly in local to stop doing it and he was told that his actions are gona be petitioned,he replayd childish saying he dont care,he is gona keep on doing it till CCP dose something,and in his personal opinion he was convinced that no reaction will come from CCP part.
After frapsing him buging the plex whit his gall alt,and provading lot of local chats log where he openli speak about his exploiting,he just got a warning from CCP and still write in here abouth suposed bug and his inocenc.Im not gona place his statment in here,but leme ashure you that he was intentionali using a bug to make game advantage over other players,avoid game mechanich and the way thay supose to work :All this actions are condiserd an EXPLOIT and not some inocent bug hapening ocasionly from time to time.
It is truth that CCP nead to fix this bug.But it dosent make a victim a guy who intentionaly EXPLOIT this bug for 2 weeks preventing me and other Gall militia members to plex in sistem and try to retake it ,by simply loging in after DT and using his gall alt to remove all plexis from sistem.
Im suprised to so CSM members posting in here and taking side in this mather whithout knowing what is actuali hapening in here.
EXPLOTER GOT WHAT HE DESERVED (not realy cose exploiting is =BAN in most of the escenarios)
So Damar stop posting lies and pretend to be the victim or i will have to bring some more intersting information abouth your activitis in Oicx.
Thx for reading and sory for bad english. PRAZ
EDIT: Im shure CCP didnt ask you to publicli post the way you EXPLOIT is working,cose before you get warning from CCP you did keep it for yourself and now that you cant do it any more you are sharing it to involve more ppl into exploiting this bug so we take our ayes of you,but you are wrong.
You intentions are not good and you just made this game more exploitabel sharing you personal exploit on forums.SHAME ON YOU behaving as a small child.
Yea, it is sad that now other than gallente can exploit this too |
k1llertrout
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 19:00:00 -
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In b4 Damar crying as he always does. Oh wait, too late. My bad. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2250
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Posted - 2012.04.20 19:06:00 -
[80] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote: I am looking forward to a relevant militia tab next week.
We're getting a relevant militia tab next week? Do you have a source for this?
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Miht Virtaq
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
3
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Posted - 2012.04.20 19:12:00 -
[81] - Quote
The FW update will come in May not next week I'm afraid. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2250
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Posted - 2012.04.20 19:17:00 -
[82] - Quote
praznimrak wrote: Im suprised to so CSM members posting in here and taking side in this mather whithout knowing what is actuali hapening in here.
Actually, I've consistently refused to take sides in this conflict. It is not my place to call accuse Damar or Bad Messenger of exploiting (They admit this themselves, so there's nothing to discuss) and it's not my place to accuse the Gallente of doing this either since I don't live in your space and see things going on. That is the job of the GM's, not the CSM. All either side can do is petition problems and let the GM's handle the matter. They are the ones that gather evidence and sort through the data, I don't have access to their data so Its never my place to say that one side is doing this or the other. I have a responsibility to remain neutral, and I've done so.
The only thing I said I'd do was ask about the status of the bug, and you guys have gotten the answer, the bug is in the queue to be fixed. My work here is done for the time being, unless CCP persists in NOT fixing the bug. If it continues after the FW expansion than it will be time for me to take action again, if no other reason than I can't wait to see the bug fixed so there's nothing to complain about anymore.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2250
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Posted - 2012.04.20 19:23:00 -
[83] - Quote
Miht Virtaq wrote:The FW update will come in May not next week I'm afraid.
Correct, and I want to be clear that the list of items mentioned at Fan Fest was only a proposal, It does not constitute the list of final changes to the Faction Warfare system. I am continuing to work with CCP on the package of changes, and not everything is yet set in stone. No one should assume that just because it was mentioned at Fan Fest that it will appear in the expansion in that form, players have given a lot of important feedback and CCP is definitely taking it into consideration. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
165
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Posted - 2012.04.20 20:58:00 -
[84] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:X Gallentius wrote: I am looking forward to a relevant militia tab next week. We're getting a relevant militia tab next week? Do you have a source for this? I figure if there was one stupid thing they could easily fix if they were serious about FW it would be the militia tab. I guess we'll wait until May.
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
186
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Posted - 2012.04.20 22:03:00 -
[85] - Quote
Miht Virtaq wrote:The FW update will come in May not next week I'm afraid.
One month left without anymore details coming to light. You guys give CCP too much credit. I anticipate a "Surprise! We put FW on the back burner again!" Sometime in early may. Then we will be back to Soon(TM).
Not to mention this teiricide for cruiser, frigs, and BC, one month left and its not on the test server. They have their work cut out for them. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
130
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Posted - 2012.04.21 07:26:00 -
[86] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:praznimrak wrote: Im suprised to so CSM members posting in here and taking side in this mather whithout knowing what is actuali hapening in here.
Actually, I've consistently refused to take sides in this conflict. It is not my place to call accuse Damar or Bad Messenger of exploiting (They admit this themselves, so there's nothing to discuss) and it's not my place to accuse the Gallente of doing this either since I don't live in your space and see things going on. That is the job of the GM's, not the CSM. All either side can do is petition problems and let the GM's handle the matter. They are the ones that gather evidence and sort through the data, I don't have access to their data so Its never my place to say that one side is doing this or the other. I have a responsibility to remain neutral, and I've done so. The only thing I said I'd do was ask about the status of the bug, and you guys have gotten the answer, the bug is in the queue to be fixed. My work here is done for the time being, unless CCP persists in NOT fixing the bug. If it continues after the FW expansion than it will be time for me to take action again, if no other reason than I can't wait to see the bug fixed so there's nothing to complain about anymore.
WTF you are talking about? You have no data and still you accusing me about exploiting. Good way to play CSM. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2250
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Posted - 2012.04.21 10:46:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: It is not my place to accuse Damar or Bad Messenger of exploiting
Bad Messenger wrote: still you accusing me about exploiting.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Miht Virtaq
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
3
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Posted - 2012.04.21 11:42:00 -
[88] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:praznimrak wrote: Im suprised to so CSM members posting in here and taking side in this mather whithout knowing what is actuali hapening in here.
Actually, I've consistently refused to take sides in this conflict. It is not my place to call accuse Damar or Bad Messenger of exploiting (They admit this themselves, so there's nothing to discuss) and it's not my place to accuse the Gallente of doing this either since I don't live in your space and see things going on. That is the job of the GM's, not the CSM. All either side can do is petition problems and let the GM's handle the matter. They are the ones that gather evidence and sort through the data, I don't have access to their data so Its never my place to say that one side is doing this or the other. I have a responsibility to remain neutral, and I've done so. The only thing I said I'd do was ask about the status of the bug, and you guys have gotten the answer, the bug is in the queue to be fixed. My work here is done for the time being, unless CCP persists in NOT fixing the bug. If it continues after the FW expansion than it will be time for me to take action again, if no other reason than I can't wait to see the bug fixed so there's nothing to complain about anymore. WTF you are talking about? You have no data and still you accusing me about exploiting. Good way to play CSM.
Thank you for proving our point. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
130
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Posted - 2012.04.21 13:47:00 -
[89] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: It is not my place to accuse Damar or Bad Messenger of exploiting (They admit this themselves, so there's nothing to discuss) Bad Messenger wrote: still you accusing me about exploiting.
fixed |
ScarredEye
URSALIS LOGISTICS GROUP Villore Accords
7
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Posted - 2012.04.24 21:55:00 -
[90] - Quote
Damar, so childish.
That's all I need to say. |
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