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MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:25:00 -
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Pretty sure there's never been a thread about this before "Fools! I'll show them all!"
What do you mean that one's already taken? |
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
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Posted - 2012.04.20 09:45:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Exactly. We live in a ****** up world as it is, and expecting a PvP-focused video game to be held to a higher moral standard than real life is just folly.
By the way, I have nothing against your plan or anything; I was just picking bones with the other guy. Do be aware, however, that similar stuff has been tried in the past, and failed miserably. I can provide a link if necessary (it was a threadnaught in C&P). The reasons for such failure usually have to do with lack of cohesiveness and understanding of game mechanics by a significant portion of the people who would participate in it (the carebears).
Disagree. It is not the moral standard we talk about.
The first topic, which counts overall more than anything else, is the fiction, the fantasy, the freedom to create a part of this virtual world. If you consider this as a moral standard, then it is your decision to view at my idea from this angle. I personally consider this not at all with an however measured moral standard, but much more with a fun possibility for those, who dont like suicide gankers - for whatever reason. Indeed, i hope it will not change the mind of gankers; not in belong to hulkageddon, not in belong in suicide ganking at all, not in belong to their very own kind of playstyle. That never was, nor is, nor will ever be my intention. I was more than often in other virtual worlds, and i was sitting on the bad side. I loved it, i enjoyed to be a PK and ther might be times, when i do this in Eve also. But not now. Right atm my only intention is to take the challenge of doing something that hasnt been working before, is believed to be possible and has a certain amount of competition in it, since opponents will do everything in their possibilities to make my plan not working.
The second topic is the issue about game mechanics and such from the so called carebears. There are several false opinions on your side.
Just because someone doesnt like to PVP, it doesnt mean he doesnt do it. Further it doesnt mean that he dont has any experience with it. Neither does it mean, that PVP means in all matters only pewpew, but means to know extremely well about how to avoid tapping into a trap by having deep knowledge about agression mechanics, criminal and agression flagging system and PVP tactics used. I do not call the carebears to arms. I call those to an event who are interested in participating. If those are carebears or pirates that wont to get some killshots with alts or merc corps, bounty hunters or whatever they claim to be, is their point of view, their intention and i dont care honestly. I consider this fun. Thats all. A discussion about who might win or lose, why and where under what circumstances is at this point as useful as a corset size 32 for a bull elephant at the pairing season of the mayflies - equals zero.
I can tell you that there wont be a winner or loser and that there will 100s of winners and losers at the same point of time, depending on the very personal point of every participator.
Cheers |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
347
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:01:00 -
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Ikonia wrote:Just because someone doesnt like to PVP, it doesnt mean he doesnt do it. Further it doesnt mean that he dont has any experience with it. Neither does it mean, that PVP means in all matters only pewpew, but means to know extremely well about how to avoid tapping into a trap by having deep knowledge about agression mechanics, criminal and agression flagging system and PVP tactics used. Years upon years of personal experience with ganking carebears, infiltrating their corporations, and about a thousand different wars (many thousands if I include my experience with blanket war entities such as the Privateers) make me disagree with you. Granted, there are exceptions, and I've run into quite a few people who knew what they were doing, but simply didn't do a whole lot of player-shooting. These people are a minority, however.
As far as this idea being tried in the past goes...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=43697
It simply can't work if you're trying to achieve some kind of meaningful impact with it. If you're just in it to get on flashy killmails, help yourself. Just know that the people you're shooting couldn't give less of a crap about it. They're losing their ships regardless of what you do, and are prepared for it. Meanwhile, they people they're shooting are completely oblivious and unaware until the deed is done, and are usually very disturbed by the losses they incur. It's the one-sided nature of the predator-prey interaction as its best. |
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:34:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted Years upon years of personal experience with ganking carebears, infiltrating their corporations, and about a thousand different wars (many thousands if I include my experience with blanket war entities such as the Privateers) make me disagree with you. Granted, there [i wrote:are[/i] exceptions, and I've run into quite a few people who knew what they were doing, but simply didn't do a whole lot of player-shooting. These people are a minority, however As far as this idea being tried in the past goes.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=4369It simply can't work if you're trying to achieve some kind of meaningful impact with it. If you're just in it to get on flashy killmails, help yourself. Just know that the people you're shooting couldn't give less of a crap about it. They're losing their ships regardless of what you do, and are prepared for it. Meanwhile, they people they're shooting are completely oblivious and unaware until the deed is done, and are usually very disturbed by the losses they incur. It's the one-sided nature of the predator-prey interaction as its best.
You arent very open minded, are you?
Millions of things have been considered absolutely impossible, until someone proved the opposite. Examples:
"What makes you believe that a ship could sail against the direction of the wind and streams, just because you are lightning a fire under deck? Please, excuse me. I dont have time to waste for such nonsense." Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is no possibility that mankind will ever be able to use the energy of atoms." Albert Einstein, 1932
"It will take more than 50 years until a metall plane will lift of the ground" Wilbur Wright, 1901
"Generations will have passed until humans make their first step on the moon." Sir Harold Spencer, 1957
"There is no need for more than 4 or 5 computers on earth". Scientist, around 1950
I personally dont like to hear, what and why it is impossible. I like to hear, how it could be done, regardless what happened before. Else we still would swing from tree to tree... |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
347
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:39:00 -
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I fail to see how the thing you said is relevant in any way to the thing I said. |
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
19
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:46:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:I fail to see how the thing you said is relevant in any way to the thing I said.
Believe me, i can understand that.
Cheers |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
347
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Posted - 2012.04.20 10:54:00 -
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Right, well, enjoy your "ha-ha, got you!" moments while the guy in the thread next door to yours undoes hundreds of man hours of work in the amount of time it takes you to call someone an idiot on the internet.
"Lets make the gankers life to hell" indeed. Be careful though, if you shoot our expendable gank boats too much, we might post tear-filled threads on these forums. |
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:08:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Right, well, enjoy your "ha-ha, got you!" moments while the guy in the thread next door to yours undoes hundreds of man hours of work in the amount of time it takes you to call someone an idiot on the internet. "Lets make the gankers life to hell" indeed. Be careful though, if you shoot our expendable gank boats too much, we might post tear-filled threads on these forums.
Indeed, me and guys here in our office laughed about it, but less that i gotcha, more about the sense of humor that lies underneath. And you are absolutely right about the guy next door. That are the guys we are after in our job here, that's our profession.
But you are wrong, if you think i called you an idiot, because you are definitely not. I enjoy your postings here and i respect your opinion. As a matter of fact the chances that you are right and i am wrong are much greater than me and some idelaistic thinking carebears could prove that your were false. But hey, that at least is the challenge. Without the challenge nobody would care about.
So, dont take it personal, it wasnt meant personal.
Cheers
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
550
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:09:00 -
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Just about the WORST thread EVER. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
550
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:15:00 -
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Ikonia wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Ikonia wrote: In truth, it would be honestly REALLY easy to 'organize' against terrorist attacks.
Their strategy is RANDOM ATTACKS. You CANNOT organize against unplanned, random, suicide attacks. Period and final. The only thing guaranteed to work is to dock up. Period and final. You obviously have never been through H'geddon before. You cant randomize attacks. As you have to choose an easy target to be at least able to get it down before CONCORD comes, the potential target numbers is not very big. Further the number decreases, because a lot of those which would be an easy target are docked. In fact, my lil ganker, the chance that you will hit a target that is especially waiting for you, is very much bigger than during usual play times. And i am not bound ot have success. If it happens that some noob like you steps into my trap, great. If not, idk. Else i do my normal business like everytime i am online. Whatever you consider as period and final, is just for you period and final. For 1000s of players it is not. The only issue which is period and final: You will never be a threat to a prepared player, only to a unprepared. And that is what we are going to minimize :) Looking forward to have you in front of my guns, hopefully. Cheers
This is just such an utterly wrong Troll, I can't even begin.
Unsubscribed. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
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Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:24:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Just about the WORST thread EVER.
Just about the LOUDEST laughs in our office EVER.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Krixtal+Icefluxor
For someone talking that loud i would have expected a lot of kills :). Even i have more, and i dont PVP at all. Only lost 1 ship to PVP activities in the last 6 month.
Cheers
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
550
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:33:00 -
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WTF are you talking about ?
I never said I had massive KILLS !
Your f**ked head needs to be examined................and your BOSS alerted to the fact you are wasting time at work on the Eve Forums.
Oh, and: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Ikonia
You SUCK at 8 Kills and 30 Losses yourself. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
550
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:44:00 -
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Ikonia wrote: Indeed, me and guys here in our office laughed about it, but less that i gotcha, more about the sense of humor that lies underneath. And you are absolutely right about the guy next door. That are the guys we are after in our job here, that's our profession.
Just having a BLAST at work as we can all read............... There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Ravnik
The Phoenix Rising P R I M E
9
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:49:00 -
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Ikonia wrote: Cheers ..... Cheers.....
I hope you are not downing a pint or shot after every one of your posts! Altho if you indeed are, then my hat off to you for still being able to type recognisable words!
Cheers!
After a failed career as a comedian i decided to take up piloting. My flying techniques have got more laughs than my jokes ever did.....
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Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:37:00 -
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Ok, i will inform myself :) talking to myself: Ikonia: "YOU ARE FIRED!" hehe.
I suck indeed on 8 kills and 30 losses. It is hard to kill with an indy/research/exploration char. But still i have more kills than you, hehe.
... no i dont drink alcohol at all :). The "cheers" is a relict greet from a different game, using it is somehow common for me.
Cheers :)
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Ravnik
The Phoenix Rising P R I M E
9
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:40:00 -
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Ikonia wrote:Ok, i will inform myself :) talking to myself: Ikonia: "YOU ARE FIRED!" hehe. I suck indeed on 8 kills and 30 losses. It is hard to kill with an indy/research/exploration char. But still i have more kills than you, hehe. ... no i dont drink alcohol at all :). The "cheers" is a relict greet from a different game, using it is somehow common for me. Cheers :)
hehe, fair shout
After a failed career as a comedian i decided to take up piloting. My flying techniques have got more laughs than my jokes ever did.....
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Swift Kaos
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 12:40:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:SB Rico wrote:It is indeed very hard to find a solo hulk in a high sec belt... wait a minute Do your best to reduce the exploitation of our natural resources, ie: space rocks. Thanks for doing so with extreme prejudice.
Try harder to pretend that GSF doesn't exploit the asteroids in their SOV systems...
Suicide Ganker = Carebear, enough said. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
83
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Posted - 2012.04.20 14:40:00 -
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So you mean suicide gank the suicide gankers? I'm pretty sure that's not going to change anything..except possibly forcing your defensive pilots out of high sec to grind rep. Ultimately the only way to beat the suicide gankers is survive the gank.. and you can't do that forever no matter how well you tank and use fleet boosters. You're better off doing something else for the event besides mining and leaving the masses of gankers to go after the same few miners that don't care enough to read the forum.
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
85
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Posted - 2012.04.20 15:02:00 -
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Ikonia wrote:Ok, i will inform myself :) talking to myself: Ikonia: "YOU ARE FIRED!" hehe. I suck indeed on 8 kills and 30 losses. It is hard to kill with an indy/research/exploration char. But still i have more kills than you, hehe. ... no i dont drink alcohol at all :). The "cheers" is a relict greet from a different game, using it is somehow common for me. Cheers :)
ITT two carebears pull out their inadequate KB epeens when their keyboard warrioring becomes ineffective against each other, and proceed to argue about whose KB is more impotent. |
Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.22 17:37:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:So you mean suicide gank the suicide gankers? Soon our plans will come to fruition and EVE will become a perpetual suicide gank engine.
Swift Kaos wrote:Try harder to pretend that GSF doesn't exploit the asteroids in their SOV systems We have a fine record of environmental preservation. |
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:06:00 -
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It would be fairly amusing if 5 hulks suicided a catalyst. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
1052
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Posted - 2012.04.23 03:34:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:It would be fairly amusing if 5 hulks suicided a catalyst.
1.5b isk to kill 3m? |
Ira Infernus
Praetorium Illegitimus The.Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.04.23 11:37:00 -
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Mine in a rokh or dominix during hulkageddon. Infact, always mine in a rokh or dominix. Problem solved.
If you want the cargohold though, dont mine in a hulk, mine in a coveter... you get like 1k less yeild a min, big deal for less of a loss...
Stupid miners. |
Rara Yariza
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.04.23 14:50:00 -
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Eryn Velasquez wrote:
.....but there surely are some game mechanics, that don't fit. It only amuses me how especially the criminals cry and whine when they have to face the consequences of "criminal behaviour" in highsec - these are in fact not harsh enough today.
That's why i'm kicking dogs asses when they **** on my lawn ...
Losing your ship is a consequence. You lost your ship, the ganker lost his and all is in balance. Concord doesn't regulate moral behaviour, why should it? This is a game and part of it is loss, unexpected loss at that. Get used to it.
Edit:
OP is on the winning track. Providing consequences other than what concord dishes out is the best way to get on. There will be more gankers losing ships without kills if people are in the belts with ecm and insta locking arty canes (for example ) than if those who complain they have to log out or dock up actually do so.
Get out there and try something different, you might enjoy it and find a clearer understanding of EvE. |
Ehnea Mehk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.04.23 19:59:00 -
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Ikonia wrote:All those neat lil gankers preparing for Hulkageddon (or what they call it) bringing up some ideas on my mind:
Since it is very easy to find out who is acting in it and where, i would love to setup some traps. Would at least be some difference to low and null sec action.
Like cloaked and fleeted action. Waiting for those punks and then watch them while they are exploding without even having killed one victim. I would love to bring in some logistic action or PVP vessels for protection. Right, the guns of their ships arent worth much, but its fun, and it is safe fun, since CONCORD will come very quickly. All you need is a target jammer and a cold beer.
Like loot their stuff. Simply when they exploded you can quickly loot their stuff, salvage their ships and even their victims, if they have some. With a bit of luck you can even get their secondary char when you have the loot rights.
I think, they know they gonna be ganked by CONCORD, all we need to do is decreasing their chances to kill fast enough or loot the stuff from their victims.
Lets make the gankers life to hell and ruin their fun a bit, it is fun for us :)
Cheers
Mechanoid Kryten ran an excellent GriefferGeddon during the last Hulkageddon and I hope she does so again. You should contact her if she is going to run another one.
I used to do the Ore-A-Thons when I was in a corporation but I have no time for that now with work being what it is. I'm still going to mine, just not with the big toys, and with a friend. We even made a poster of our own, a sort of tip of the hat to Helicity's Hulkageddon V poster.
People should partake in something during Hulkageddon V, rather than ragequit or take an EVE Online holiday. Just as long as it's something.
Ehnea
(EDIT: Spelling) [url]http://odatrik.guildportal.com[/url] |
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