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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
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Posted - 2012.04.19 13:07:00 -
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(Original thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1154744#post1154744 )
As the thread has been locked, will just take this chance to clarify some points.
@ Malcanis: CONCORD spawns are capped in a per-system basis. Once CONCORD spawns, they will keep patrolling the grid until they despawn some 15 to 25 minutes later.
IIRC, the spawn limit for Jita is 10 spawns, which means that once somebody causes the spawn of 10 CONCORD patrols on, say, 10 asteroid belts, all gates and stations are left without any fresh spawns to protect them until those 10 spawns despawn.
This is how you can break havoc on (say) Jita 4-4, while CONCORD is busy elsewhere. It's not magic or a conspiracy, it's (lousy) game mechanics.
Of course, this way to prevent OCNCORD retaliation can become tricky if CCP chooses to rise the spawn limit for Jita. But CCP won't do that unless they have a reason to. If people begins petitioning why nobody concordokkened the goons who just blew them in Jita, that may become a reason to ensure that the appropiate spawns happen.
That's not against the rules, so it's fair use. Action A haves consequence B, consequence B doesn't happens, petitioning "why" is a legitimate use of the petition system.
@ CCP Sptifire: i am not asking people to abuse the report system. I am just stating that petitioning why didn't CONCORD spawn is a legitimate use of the petition system (all in all, it COULD be a node glitch), and so I suggest people to do exactly that if, and only IF, for some unknown reason somebody blows them in Jita and CONCORD doesn't spawns to blow the agressor. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1133
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Posted - 2012.04.19 13:12:00 -
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If you want something to be done about Jita invasion you must go there with your ship guns and ammo and deal with it.
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Geoscape
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Posted - 2012.04.19 13:13:00 -
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I am pretty sure i have seen videos where a lot more than 10 concord spawns are seen. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
501
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Posted - 2012.04.19 13:17:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:If you want something to be done about Jita invasion you must go there with your ship guns and ammo and deal with it.
I am more interested about finding lasting solutions to issues, rather than cope with them each few weeks. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.19 13:27:00 -
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i thought spawning them like that was an "exploit"
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
690
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Posted - 2012.04.19 13:48:00 -
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So they locked your thread, and you just make a new thread?
Ok, that makes sense. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.04.19 14:52:00 -
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Xython wrote:So they locked your thread, and you just make a new thread?
Ok, that makes sense.
SHE IS ABOVE THE LAW!!! RAH!
:/ |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:08:00 -
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This 'Jita Burn' or whatever it is so over-hyped , you would think Don King, himself, was promoting it.
Wow, so you can't get into or undock in Jita for (MAYBE) one whole day. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
277
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:09:00 -
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concord spawns move you idiot
nothing you've posted here is correct or we'd have been abusing it for years until it was fixed |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
277
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:10:00 -
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in fact, proper ganking relies on moving spawns
holy hell you're dumb |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1136
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:11:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:If you want something to be done about Jita invasion you must go there with your ship guns and ammo and deal with it.
I am more interested about finding lasting solutions to issues, rather than cope with them each few weeks.
There is no issue at all than those you impose to yourself.
Solutions? -easy: just move some where else for a couple weeks if you don't want to fight.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
277
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:16:00 -
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gonna drop a little knowledge here about how concord actually works
concord does not exist in a system until it is "spawned": someone commits a criminal act. concord is spawned on the grid a certain number of seconds later, depending on system sec (you get longer in a .5 than a .9)
if concord is already spawned, and not busy killing someone, it will move that spawn rather than make a new one: after the proper amount of seconds it will warp from its current location to the new aggressor (this is how you move spawns). If there are multiple concord spawns, the closest one moves.
If all spawns are busy, a new one is spawned - this occurs when multiple people gank at once
alll spawns persist until downtime
so yeah, Indahmawar Fazmarai should probably biomass her character in shame and never darken these forums again with her badposting |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
277
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:17:00 -
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'burn ccp' (but i'm not suggesting petition spam oh heavens no!) might be the worst defense i have ever seen |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:20:00 -
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BuckStrider wrote:This 'Jita Burn' or whatever it is so over-hyped , you would think Don King, himself, was promoting it.
Wow, so you can't get into or undock in Jita for (MAYBE) one whole day. In my day you couldn't get into or undock in Jita any day. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:23:00 -
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We do not need to burn CCP when we have the nice Mr. Hilmar! 20% of CCP got fired not to long ago iirc. Those who remain can ask themselves why they did not get fired. Is it because they got lucky, because they did the right thing or because their colleagues think they cannot handle it? No more crappy expansions! - Raise A Little Hell |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1136
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:24:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:'burn ccp' (but i'm not suggesting petition spam oh heavens no!) might be the worst defense i have ever seen
Your wrecks should drop something special like "Scammed isk" and concord would give a fixed amount of lp's from the faction you're hated (all? hehe)
We would just drop tears with no value to build snowballs |
D3F4ULT
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:39:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:blah blah blah blah... spewing **** everywhere.. blarg.
Holy shi! a video game where I can literally do what the hell I want? Like causing mayhem upon a trading hub that will alter actual in game economy?
AWESOME!
Oh look, a care bear. Upset and crying. Delicious tears. Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
603
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:49:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:IIRC, the spawn limit for Jita is 10 spawns, which means that once somebody causes the spawn of 10 CONCORD patrols on, say, 10 asteroid belts, all gates and stations are left without any fresh spawns to protect them until those 10 spawns despawn. THAT is the most interesting thing I've read in the forums in months. I didn't know that. I wonder if it's true.
/gears turning...
...wonder what it is for normal highsec systems.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
278
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:50:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:IIRC, the spawn limit for Jita is 10 spawns, which means that once somebody causes the spawn of 10 CONCORD patrols on, say, 10 asteroid belts, all gates and stations are left without any fresh spawns to protect them until those 10 spawns despawn. THAT is the most interesting thing I've read in the forums in months. I didn't know that. /gears turning... ...wonder what it is for normal highsec systems. you didn't know that because it's a product of indahmawar's diseased mind and not reflective of reality at all, go test it and see |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
603
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:53:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Gogela wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:IIRC, the spawn limit for Jita is 10 spawns, which means that once somebody causes the spawn of 10 CONCORD patrols on, say, 10 asteroid belts, all gates and stations are left without any fresh spawns to protect them until those 10 spawns despawn. THAT is the most interesting thing I've read in the forums in months. I didn't know that. /gears turning... ...wonder what it is for normal highsec systems. you didn't know that because it's a product of indahmawar's diseased mind and not reflective of reality at all, go test it and see I like to get other people to test things... heh.
But yah it does sound fishy because why wouldn't goons be all over that like a fat kid on a cupcake if it were? Still if there is ANY limit to the number of CONCORD spawns that's news to me.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2012.04.19 15:56:00 -
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we'll find out! however since you can't warp with a gcc now (due to the boomerang fix), if you somehow managed to cap the spawns and tie them all u up while you were ganking you'd get to keep shooting but you'd be stuck on that grid until they got around to killing you
not really worth the risk of getting banned when you can just throw more goons at the problem instead |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
603
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:03:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:we'll find out! however since you can't warp with a gcc now (due to the boomerang fix), if you somehow managed to cap the spawns and tie them all u up while you were ganking you'd get to keep shooting but you'd be stuck on that grid until they got around to killing you
not really worth the risk of getting banned when you can just throw more goons at the problem instead I was thinking more about a high risk gank... like taking out a specific freighter in front of Jita 4-4 or something. I'm back and forth about coordinating with 10-11 people to simultaneously get CONCORD aggro at other stations or belts or whatever or just getting them in Tornadoes and using them for the high alpha attack. The latter seems to make more sense. There might now be a good application for that (CONCORD distraction tactic) other than attacking multiple targets in front of a station... but you would need a big fleet to make that a more efficient approach. I guess what I'm saying is it would be hard to apply this to a small pirate corp and come out on top. Hmmm. o well. Guess I'll watch others do it.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
280
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:05:00 -
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I mean given that literally every other thing she said about CONCORD was obviously wrong and easy to prove it was wrong i gotta assume the 10 spawns thing is nonsense as well
we'll find out if there is a cap though, should be fun |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography
50
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:37:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:we'll find out! however since you can't warp with a gcc now (due to the boomerang fix), if you somehow managed to cap the spawns and tie them all u up while you were ganking you'd get to keep shooting but you'd be stuck on that grid until they got around to killing yo not really worth the risk of getting banned when you can just throw more goons at the problem instead
Whatever brah, you over estimate yourselves I don't doubt that you'll have numbers to start off, but for how long you can sustain those numbers and to what effect it will have overall are seriously called into question.
Personally, I think your going to last as long as a boy getting laid for the first time. I also think that,should my prediction be wrong and you actually manage to have an effect, that it could spell the begining of the end for the CFC.
I remember this fat, old guy wearing a fuzzy pink hat, at a BBQ who was pretty smug and said he was going to take all of 0.0 and 'Burn the North'.....It didn't work out for him so well.
Now we have this skinny, young kid wearing a wizard hat at Fanfest, with an ego as big as the state he lives in, shoots off his big mouth and gets sent to his room for a month. Now he thinks he can take over Jita and Hi-Sec because youshot up a few ice miners.
Kinda ironic, in a bizzaro world kinda way. |
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.19 16:39:00 -
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While players are free to discuss the "Burn Jita" player event on our forums. Players may not discuss game exploits, such as avoiding CONCORD, even if their intended exploits prove to be false, as the public discussion of exploits in EVE Online represent a violation of the EVE Online Terms Of Service which I have linked for you below. As such this thread will now be locked in accordance with our policies. http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
GM Grave | Senior Game Master | Law & Order Group |
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