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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: ardik I think you missed the part where a revamp just wont cut it for that ****ing tumor of a game mechanic, cut that **** out and you might live.
It has been excised. The new scanner mechanic is to the old one as apples are to oranges. But I am going to let Greyscale talk about that since he's the one who designed it.
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Politics How much mass before collaps, can I bring in a Mothership ?
The mass, much like the maximum time, will be determined semi-randomly. I think there could be room for a mothership in some cases. Of course, if you get your mothership stuck in a wormhole system because someone followed you and bumped the allowable mass remaining to just under a tick of what you need to go home...well I leave that up to you to mull over. Wormhole systems are all about making a value judgment of risk versus the potential rewards and the ability to get the rewards home.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: ardik I think you missed the part where a revamp just wont cut it for that ****ing tumor of a game mechanic, cut that **** out and you might live.
It has been excised. The new scanner mechanic is to the old one as apples are to oranges. But I am going to let Greyscale talk about that since he's the one who designed it.
I don't think he'll be happy until you just turn it on and wait some time until it gives you results and then automatically keeps scanning, over and over again.
also I hope you can get CCP t0rfifrans in here to answer my questions about the backgrounds maybe?
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jam6549
Cold Blooded Killers
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:43:00 -
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you do realise that there will be a sudden influx of "new" players coming on the forums saying they are stuck and such
with this, what will happen for people who get stuck in these places and file a stuck petition? how will this be handled? you may want to note to the players on your decisions on this as i can forecast a lot of these petitions back-logging the GMs petition que.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:45:00 -
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would have been nice to get a capital-free-zone, but the idea of using a carrier or a mothership to live out of in deep wormhole space would be very interesting. a manufacturing module for a mothership would let us live out our deepest BSG/Homeworld fantasies.
Looking forward to this, I hope that the empire dwellers arent too scared off by the lack of concord. |
clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Captain Politics How much mass before collaps, can I bring in a Mothership ?
The mass, much like the maximum time, will be determined semi-randomly. I think there could be room for a mothership in some cases. Of course, if you get your mothership stuck in a wormhole system because someone followed you and bumped the allowable mass remaining to just under a tick of what you need to go home...well I leave that up to you to mull over. Wormhole systems are all about making a value judgment of risk versus the potential rewards and the ability to get the rewards home.
What is there to stop people just jumping in/out of the wormhole with the express point to clock up the mass and close it. Some people will no doubt get their kicks from this alone. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box |
yunger
Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:48:00 -
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If I do decide to take my carrier and pve alt on a vacation in wormhole space and the gate collapses behind me. About how often will new wormholes open? Will I be better of abandoning my carrier and jumping around try to find my way out because next gate will open in 2-3 months or should I stay there seeing there will be a new gate within a week or 2?
And how does is connect to normal space, If the wormhole closes and reopens will I be coming out in the other side of the galaxy or in the general area I started from?
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Exlegion
Caldari New Light
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Captain Politics How much mass before collaps, can I bring in a Mothership ?
The mass, much like the maximum time, will be determined semi-randomly. I think there could be room for a mothership in some cases. Of course, if you get your mothership stuck in a wormhole system because someone followed you and bumped the allowable mass remaining to just under a tick of what you need to go home...well I leave that up to you to mull over. Wormhole systems are all about making a value judgment of risk versus the potential rewards and the ability to get the rewards home.
How about new skills that can offer better control over wormholes? Say, a skill to increase stability of wormhole (more time), a skill to increase mass allowed, skill to increase chances of finding good wormholes, etc. Please tell me you're considering it.
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Tlar Sanqua
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:49:00 -
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Sounds truly brilliant.
Couple of quick Q's:
1) Will this new system be interacting with the "local" debate and issue? 2) Would it be theoretically possible to find a wormhole in null, jump your mothership through, and then find a wormhole out that lead to highsec? 3) Will this improve scanning of existing deadspace complex's? 4) Will this use the existing scanning skills (or to be decided?)
Sounds great and looking forward to getting "Lost in Space..."
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Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper Regarding gate camps: When you go through a wormhole you will appear at the exit wormhole. Theoretically it is possible that someone could set up a gate camp on the other side, but pilots can view how much mass and time left on the wormhole, so pilots need to make a value judgment about whether to jump through. Of course, there is also the chance that the campers get over enthusiastic and only leave enough mass for one more pilot to jump through. Which would cause the wormhole to collapse. So the campers might end up stuck in the wormhole system...and if they haven't got a ship with a probe launcher, well they'll be in an interesting position to be sure.
Oh that rules! Great design! Seems that the expansion is going to rule supreme. Can barely wait. |
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: clone 1
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Captain Politics How much mass before collaps, can I bring in a Mothership ?
The mass, much like the maximum time, will be determined semi-randomly. I think there could be room for a mothership in some cases. Of course, if you get your mothership stuck in a wormhole system because someone followed you and bumped the allowable mass remaining to just under a tick of what you need to go home...well I leave that up to you to mull over. Wormhole systems are all about making a value judgment of risk versus the potential rewards and the ability to get the rewards home.
What is there to stop people just jumping in/out of the wormhole with the express point to clock up the mass and close it. Some people will no doubt get their kicks from this alone.
maybe when you leave a wormhole system it should let you out at a worumhole, but when you jump into a wormhole system you aren't at a gate?
you bring up a good point I want to see what CCPs answer is on this one. |
Sanche Tehkeli
Gallente Bionesis Technologies
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:50:00 -
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Hi there!
What to say? WooT wonerful news!
Question : will ships in cargo and maintenance bay counted toward the critical mass to collapse a WH? And fitted and cargo'ed modules?
Will it be possible to cancal a jump through a WH, or flying too close to one will get you sucked away (would be fun.) |
Fergus Runkle
Minmatar Truth and Reconciliation Council
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:51:00 -
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Okay there is something I do not quite understand here. I donÆt want to pyramid quote but the question was asked (paraphrased) ôwill there be a difference between hi-sec and null sec wormholes in terms of the quality of the stuff on the other side?ö
Prism X answered that yes (in general) the wormhole space reachable from hi-sec will be poorer that that reachable from null sec. Which is fine, 0.0 is end game and I have no problem with that.
However, when asked if those hi-sec wormholes would only lead back out to high sec (thus keeping risk vs. reward balance as in ôif itÆs open to hi-sec itÆs not that rewardingö) the reply from Prism X was ôNo. You could possibly apply that as a general rule of thumb but that is in no means absoluteö
So we can find wormholes in hi-sec, they will not be as lucrative as those found in null sec and on top of that we may find the only way out is to null sec. Seems to be a lot more risk there than reward.
/me prepares flame suit.
Couple of unrelated mechanics questions. Are the wormholes bi-directional or are you going to have to find a way in and a way out? and How random are the entry and exit points going to be? ie will one of the systems be linked to a set list of ôinö and ôoutö normal systems? Perhaps a constellation? (so the in and out systems for wormhole system X will always appear in Z normal constellation)
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Exlegion
Caldari New Light
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: jam6549 you do realise that there will be a sudden influx of "new" players coming on the forums saying they are stuck and such
with this, what will happen for people who get stuck in these places and file a stuck petition? how will this be handled? you may want to note to the players on your decisions on this as i can forecast a lot of these petitions back-logging the GMs petition que.
I sense a new 'profession' . "Sure I'll probe the exit wormhole for ya. That'll be 10 million isk, cash only please ".
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maarud
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: jam6549 you do realise that there will be a sudden influx of "new" players coming on the forums saying they are stuck and such
with this, what will happen for people who get stuck in these places and file a stuck petition? how will this be handled? you may want to note to the players on your decisions on this as i can forecast a lot of these petitions back-logging the GMs petition que.
They will have to pod them selves out I suppose. Its thier own fault for getting stuck. |
Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mr John22ta OMG, this sounds epic, however I am wondering about the following -
How common will worm holes be? Are we going to have 5000 people hunting for the same wormhole, and only one r two finding it/getting through? I sense chaos ahead!
Is it really possible to get stuck out there? I think it's awesome if you could potentialy get stuck somewhere off map if you don't go well enough equiped, however imaging the wines that these forums will see.
This looks like epic win CCP, please don't screw it up!
We whine all the time anyway. The wine from people getting stuck would be epic fun. Much better than nanonerf tears or latest missile buff tears from mission runners that can't adopt. It would be worth it just for the tears |
Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:55:00 -
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i took from prismX's comment that wormholes in empire will have a higher chance of linking to not-as-great wormhole space, and wormholes in 0.0 have a higher chance of leading to really-great-wormhole-space. so you could get a great bit of space from jita, but it would be unlikely.
likewise it would be unlikely that a rubbish bit of space would drop you out into deep 0.0, more likely punt you out into highsec. |
Zerb Berus
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Posted - 2009.01.26 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Zerb Berus on 26/01/2009 15:04:24 are there only wormholes such as: [wormhole-sys] <--> [normal-space]
or are there [wormhole-sys] <--> [wormhole-sys] connections too ?
Originally by: Xennith ... the idea of using a carrier or a mothership to live out of in DEEP wormhole space would be very interesting.
This!
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: clone 1
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Captain Politics How much mass before collaps, can I bring in a Mothership ?
The mass, much like the maximum time, will be determined semi-randomly. I think there could be room for a mothership in some cases. Of course, if you get your mothership stuck in a wormhole system because someone followed you and bumped the allowable mass remaining to just under a tick of what you need to go home...well I leave that up to you to mull over. Wormhole systems are all about making a value judgment of risk versus the potential rewards and the ability to get the rewards home.
What is there to stop people just jumping in/out of the wormhole with the express point to clock up the mass and close it. Some people will no doubt get their kicks from this alone.
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Driston Kamer
Minmatar Urban Mining Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:04:00 -
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Ok, after reading all the posts to-date there is still one outstanding question that I have.
If this is caused by some random unknown energy event is there the chance that our jump gates could be effected there by having them randomly either send you to a wormhole system or a different system within empire then where you expected to go? These gates after all do create a kind of wormhole for travel who's to say that they cant cross streams with an active wormhole and send a lot of unintended traffic into wormhole space?
Just something to kick around.
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: clone 1
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Captain Politics How much mass before collaps, can I bring in a Mothership ?
The mass, much like the maximum time, will be determined semi-randomly. I think there could be room for a mothership in some cases. Of course, if you get your mothership stuck in a wormhole system because someone followed you and bumped the allowable mass remaining to just under a tick of what you need to go home...well I leave that up to you to mull over. Wormhole systems are all about making a value judgment of risk versus the potential rewards and the ability to get the rewards home.
What is there to stop people just jumping in/out of the wormhole with the express point to clock up the mass and close it. Some people will no doubt get their kicks from this alone.
I see. understood -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box |
Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zerb Berus Edited by: Zerb Berus on 26/01/2009 15:04:24 are there only wormholes such as: [wormhole-sys] <--> [normal-space]
or are there [wormhole-sys] <--> [wormhole-sys] connections too ?
Originally by: Xennith ... the idea of using a carrier or a mothership to live out of in DEEP wormhole space would be very interesting.
This!
From what I can tell both. So you can get to great space even from Jita but it might demand finding few more WHs and going through systems with less than pleasant peeps in them.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:06:00 -
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A small and irrelevant question: Would CJ'ing to a wormhole system be considered an exploit? |
Caldreis
Caldari White Star II
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:07:00 -
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CCP whisper apparently the latin word Itur is misspelled as the real spell is Iter. Is this intend or not?
iter itineris n. [going , way, direction; journey, march; right of way, permission to march]; concr., [way, road]; fig., [way, course, method].
Iter Linkage |
Una D
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Driston Kamer Ok, after reading all the posts to-date there is still one outstanding question that I have.
If this is caused by some random unknown energy event is there the chance that our jump gates could be effected there by having them randomly either send you to a wormhole system or a different system within empire then where you expected to go? These gates after all do create a kind of wormhole for travel who's to say that they cant cross streams with an active wormhole and send a lot of unintended traffic into wormhole space?
Just something to kick around.
Whole idea with the gates is that they create controlled WHs. Wouldn't fit really to have them jump around plus it would put a huge damp on travel and trade. Logistics are bad enough without there being a random chance of you ending up somewhere in hell. |
clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab A small and irrelevant question: Would CJ'ing to a wormhole system be considered an exploit?
CCP Prism X said it would on first page. Wormholes allow you to reach wormhole space. Anything other means will be considered defective and then an exploit.
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Sardas Oran
Gallente The Underground Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:09:00 -
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How are these systems going to be named, and if we see a wormhole will we be able to see where it leads? |
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mr John22ta How common will worm holes be? Are we going to have 5000 people hunting for the same wormhole, and only one r two finding it/getting through? I sense chaos ahead!
We will make sure that wormholes are widely distributed. Much like the current exploration sites, they will despawn and respawn somewhere else if no-one finds them. So you should always be able to find a wormhole within a couple of jumps of your current location.
Originally by: Mr John22ta Is it really possible to get stuck out there? I think it's awesome if you could potentialy get stuck somewhere off map if you don't go well enough equiped, however imaging the wines that these forums will see.
Yes. It is really possible to get stuck out there. If you lose your ship and have no-one flying backup who has a probe launcher and probes, or if you run out of probes, leave them behind or otherwise end up without a means to find your way home, the self-destruct button and your hopefully updated clone are your new best friends.
Note: While the new probes do expire within a certain time, we are adding the means to recall probes to the scanner functionality. We are also adding a mechanic whereby you can reconnect probes lost due to a disconnect or "accidental" session change. Essentially if there are probes belonging to you in a system, you can recover them. So it would take a very unprepared pilot to get stranded because he or she ran out of probes.
Originally by: Mr John22ta This looks like epic win CCP, please don't screw it up!
We're doing our best not to. |
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: clone 1
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab A small and irrelevant question: Would CJ'ing to a wormhole system be considered an exploit?
CCP Prism X said it would on first page. Wormholes allow you to reach wormhole space. Anything other means will be considered defective and then an exploit.
To clonejump there you first need to get a ship with cloning vats in, and they aren't exactly lightweight kind |
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2009.01.26 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Caldreis CCP whisper apparently the latin word Itur is misspelled as the real spell is Iter. Is this intend or not?
iter itineris n. [going , way, direction; journey, march; right of way, permission to march]; concr., [way, road]; fig., [way, course, method].
Iter Linkage
Whoops. I'll get that corrected. It's been many years since I did latin in school. |
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